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btstimpy said:
We could go with the Top 25 if you like. Or Top 30. I actually like 50 because you incorporate the country's best public universities adding a good cross section. If you cut it off at 25, you don't capture the Public Ivy's if you will or very few of them.
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Here's my list of the publics just for you, and it's based on Carnegie classes (every school in first 5 classes is considered a top class university by Carnegie) and NRC (I divided the classes according to rankings by unit [ie. school] inside each university):

Class #1:
Cal-Berkeley
UCLA
Virginia
Michigan
UC San Diego

Class #2:
North Carolina
Wisconsin
Georgia Tech
Illinois
Cal-Irvine
Cal-Davis

Class #3:
Penn State
Cal-Santa Barbara
Texas

Class #4:
Ohio State
Washington
Maryland
Pittsburgh
Rutgers
Florida
SUNY-Buffalo
SUNY-Binghamton
Minnesota
Michigan St.
Indiana
Colorado

Class #5:
Iowa
Texas A&M
Connecticut
Georgia
Purdue
Virginia Tech
SUNY-Stony Brook

Class #6:
Cal-Riverside
Cal-Santa Cruz
Kansas
Nebraska
Oklahoma
Missouri
UMass
U. Illinois-Chicago

Class #7:
Florida St.
Arizona
Oregon
Tennessee
NC State
Oklahoma St.
SUNY-Albany
Cincinnati

Class #8 (State schools with little support that you wouldn't put in the same category as the above tier):
Maine
Arizona St.
Kentucky
New Hampshire
Vermont
Delaware
Temple
USF
UCF
South Carolina
Clemson
Alabama
Auburn
Iowa St.
Rhode Island
Mississippi st.
Ole Miss
Texas Tech
Colorado St.
Utah
Arkansas
Oregon St.
Washington St.
Kansas St.
LSU
George Mason
West Virginia
Nevada
New Mexico
etc.


These differ considerably from whatever nonsense USNWR comes up with.
 
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LOL...

You do know that Carnegie does not rank institutions but provides a standard classification used by many. US News uses the Carnegie Classification system to determine types of institutions.

It is difficult to compare apples and oranges...an institution heavy in research vs an institution heavily dedicated to turning out teachers, social workers and family physicians (rather then having researcg hospitals, say).
 
dayooper said:
I agree with this. There will be a mass media push once it's announce. You will hear it before in the back channels as well.
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I don't know. Swofford is pretty good at keeping quiet about the league's plans when he needs to be. He'd want to do something like that up pretty big.
 
Various schools have different strengths in different areas....FSU prints in their catalog:

Ranking among the nation's top twenty-five public universities are programs in Atmospheric Sciences, Business, Chemistry, Creative Writing, Criminology, Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, Higher Education, Information, Law, Marketing, Meteorology, Physics, Political Science, Psychology, Public Administration and Policy, Social Work, Sociology, Spanish, Statistics, and Urban and Regional Planning.
 
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billybud said:
If you have comprehensive rankings please link?
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What exactly are you asking for? NRC rankings?

I recognize the ones you listed as USNWR because several of the programs are so specific that they would never be ranked by NRC. For instance, why would anyone rank a creative writing program? Anyhow, NRC rates graduate programs here: http://sites.nationalacademies.org/PGA/Resdoc/
 
Uh huh..research oriented...aimed at research institutions....public institutions that focus on humanities, law, education, etc..and that have a family practice med school will not score in that index...

Real bias in indexes if you askme.
 
billybud said:
Uh huh..research oriented...aimed at research institutions....public institutions that focus on humanities, law, education, etc..and that have a family practice med school will not score in that index...

Real bias in indexes if you askme.
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The most knowledgeable faculty are at research institutions. Research institutions have better faculty. More money, more support, more student interaction, lower teaching load, more time devoted to students.

If you dismiss all of this as inherent bias, then of course U. Virginia isn't better than Clemson. But for many people, all these things are important.
 
Creative writing? Iowa has got to hang her hat on something.

upstater said:
The most knowledgeable faculty are at research institutions. Research institutions have better faculty. More money, more support, more student interaction, lower teaching load, more time devoted to students.

If you dismiss all of this as inherent bias, then of course U. Virginia isn't better than Clemson. But for many people, all these things are important.
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Not always but a lot of top researcher Profs think of undergraduate education as a PITA chore.
 
NotreDameJoe said:
Creative writing? Iowa has got to hang her hat on something.

Not always but a lot of top researcher Profs think of undergraduate education as a PITA chore.
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A Clemson prof. has more classes, would have to put in 80 hours a week just to keep up with the prof. at NC State. When someone is choosing between NC State and Clemson, they will certainly choose NC State.
 
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There are institutions that were formulated NOT to be research institutions and do stress humanities, arts, law, etc.

FSU, for instance, is legislatively mandated to have a family practice med school while U of Florida has a research med school with Shands Hospital.

The FSU law school was rated the best in Florida and the writing and the arts courses have a stellar reputation. Hollywood screenwriters, authors and film makers (the film course is well known and regarded)

No to say that there is not research...chemistry, meteorology, physics, etc...just that FSU has a lot more non research oriented tracks.

The national high magnetic field lab is HQ'd at FSU (took over from MIT) and includes Los Alamos. Superconductivity is a major research item.
 
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billybud said:
There are institutions that were formulated NOT to be research institutions and do stress humanities, arts, law, etc.

FSU, for instance, is legislatively mandated to have a family practice med school while U of Florida has a research med school with Shands Hospital.

The FSU law school was rated the best in Florida and the writing and the arts courses have a stellar reputation. Hollywood screenwriters, authors and film makers (the film course is well known and regarded)

No to say that there is not research...chemistry, meteorology, physics, etc...just that FSU has a lot more non research oriented tracks.

The national high magnetic field lab is HQ'd at FSU (took over from MIT) and includes Los Alamos. Superconductivity is a major research item.
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FSU is in one of the top classes of national universities. There are hundreds or thousands I'd rank below. Every school shoots to improve, and improvement simply means a higher level of research/publication, better students, and more support.
 
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billybud said:
What FSU needs is not a research program but a basketball coach...[
FSU is not UConn's friend. It doesn't matter where they are ranked academically and this whole thread has nothing to do with CR. The major enemies of UConn are FSU and BC. Don't forget it.
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FSU is no more an enemy of UConn then the SEC is an enemy of FSU. Each institution looks to fulfill their own needs.
 
This has become a stupid thread completely consumed by Out of Conference trolls... could mods please delete it... it has nothing to do with UCONN in CR anymore
 
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Fairfield 1st said:
This has become a stupid thread completely consumed by Out of Conference trolls... could mods please delete it... it has nothing to do with UCONN in CR anymore
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All threads will have nothing to do with CR, until something happens to make things change. No need to delete anything, just leave for the sports boards and come back when there is news.
 
pj said:
All threads will have nothing to do with CR, until something happens to make things change. No need to delete anything, just leave for the sports boards and come back when there is news.
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Seriously. And most of these posters aren't trolls...they're just fans of different teams. I, for one, enjoy a different perspective now and then.
 
If it wasn't for idle speculation, rumors with no basis in fact and the occasional visitors from parts unknown, there'd be nothing to do here but stare at white space.

Just wait two years and see what this board is like.
 
I like the fan boards in general. NDnation lives in an Irish bubble, not knowing nor caring much about the rest of the college landscape.
 
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pj said:
Yes. "O wad some Power the giftie gie us To see oursels as ithers see us!"
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Loved the Scottish burr......sounds like my Uncle Angus on Cape Breton Isle in the gaelic strongholds in 1965.....where'd ya get the quote? Robbie Burn's?".... Dunna til MacGregor lad he wouldna oonderstend"Was what my old uncle Colm Mor Mackinnon hiding the Scotch as a visitor approaches would say in his thrift.
 
NotreDameJoe said:
I like the fan boards in general. NDnation lives in an Irish bubble, not knowing nor caring much about the rest of the college landscape.
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Absolutely true. Most ND alumni and fans don't care at all about conference realignment, other schools or conferences in general. Almost none will visit another school's message board, ever.

They mostly stay on ND boards and argue with each other over whether Brian Kelly is a lousy coach who should be fired and whether things like Field Turf, piped in music and Jumbotrons should be banned forever from Notre Dame Stadium.

So far, only piped in music has happened. That alone has sent most alumni into white hot anger bordering on outrage.
 
TerryD said:
Absolutely true. Most ND alumni and fans don't care at all about conference realignment, other schools or conferences in general. Almost none will visit another school's message board, ever.

They mostly stay on ND boards and argue with each other over whether Brian Kelly is a lousy coach who should be fired and whether things like Field Turf, piped in music and Jumbotrons should be banned forever from Notre Dame Stadium.

So far, only piped in music has happened. That alone has sent most alumni into white hot anger bordering on outrage.
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You ND guys here on the BY are refreshingly honest......if what you've guy's said wasn't the case I might still root for ND but the honesty is heartening from a base that's so locked-in to purely Irish all the time! The Yankee's BB fan's whom I still like and follow are the only thing close and honestly I get bored.
 
NickyNewark said:
You ND guys here on the BY are refreshingly honest.if what you've guy's said wasn't the case I might still root for ND but the honesty is heartening from a base that's so locked-in to purely Irish all the time! The Yankee's BB fan's whom I still like and follow are the only thing close and honestly I get bored.
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In Rudy where the Dad says "there's only one team we watch in this house" was a joke written by the Hoosier screenwriter. But the Domers didn't hear it as a joke, just as dad stating the obvious.
 
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