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fleudslipcon said:
I'm not sure you were agreeing with me or criticizing me. For clarification my reply was to the poster who made the claim that there are and have been far more incredibly absurd statements made by people on the internet than rumrunners proclamations. I was not agreeing with rumrunner.

FTR: I'm a big fan of Herbst no matter how this turns out. She has demonstrated a lot of qualities that I feel are important for leadership.
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I was agreeing with you ... I think she did the right thing given the complexities of the situation.
 
ZooCougar said:
Ball was dropped years ago.
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Bingo. the ball was completely dropped 5-6 years ago when the league allowed the ACC to swoop in and take Va Tech, Miami, and BCU. they they could have been proactive right after that in going after TCU but waited till this year to do so. and the BE football schools allowed the BE commish to give equal weight to hoops and football, another huge mistake. Herbst has been trying to clean up their mess the past month.
 
ericsandiego said:
Bingo. the ball was completely dropped 5-6 years ago when the league allowed the ACC to swoop in and take Va Tech, Miami, and BCU. they they could have been proactive right after that in going after TCU but waited till this year to do so. and the BE football schools allowed the BE commish to give equal weight to hoops and football, another huge mistake. Herbst has been trying to clean up their mess the past month.
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LOL. At the time of the first raid TCU wasn't worth taking into an east coast conference.
 
I don't care what she's done. It's been fine. What matters is what she does from here. If it's to close ranks with the rest of the Big East, she fails. If we stay in the Big east we can and will become what we were when I attended, as decent regional public school. If you're nostalgic for those days, and some are, this may be fine for you. I'd rather we become the flagship public university in the northeast, we're well on the way, if we keep pushing forward, and leave the BE behind.
 
It's amazing how much sheer stupidity on this board has been revealed with this move.

How can anyone honestly believe all we needed to do was add more non-BCS schools to a conference with an already shaky BCS standing and we'd be better off?

People have been making this claim for years. We added the Rose Bowl champs, top 25 program in TCU. They expanded their stadium, and were without a doubt the best option of the non-BCS programs, and we still lost two of our longest standing members, and biggest brand names in football.
 
businesslawyer said:
LOL. At the time of the first raid TCU wasn't worth taking into an east coast conference.
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perhaps you are correct. my point, tho, is, while i'm not sure what could have been done after the disaster of the ACC original raid, the fact is the football schools allowed the commissioner to treat hoops and football equally. i don't have a solution. we added L'ville and Cincy as football schools after we lost the other 3. it's just unfortunate...
 
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ericsandiego said:
perhaps you are correct. my point, tho, is, while i'm not sure what could have been done after the disaster of the ACC original raid, the fact is the football schools allowed the commissioner to treat hoops and football equally. i don't have a solution. we added L'ville and Cincy as football schools after we lost the other 3. it's just unfortunate...
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The format, half basketball, half football, was never going to last long term. If even Syracuse can say adios to playing Georgetown every year, then the reality is clear. Schools that play BCS football don't belong in conferences with those that don't.
 
no she won't

did she dump Rumrunner or something? refused to go to the prom with him?

hate is not healthy RR

and I guarantee you that most people who care about this, especially the people that count the most (read boosters), do not blame her.
 
Jimmy Serrano said:
THIS is the most ludicrous post you have ever read? You haven't been around here long, have you?
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doesn't he know the Germans bombed Pearl harbor?
 
Rumrunner said:
What took JC and the AD to build over three decades, Herbst presided over its decimation in fewerthan 3 months. She will be forever known as the one that dropped the ball.
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HUH?
 
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HuskyHawk said:
I don't care what she's done. It's been fine. What matters is what she does from here. If it's to close ranks with the rest of the Big East, she fails. If we stay in the Big east we can and will become what we were when I attended, as decent regional public school. If you're nostalgic for those days, and some are, this may be fine for you. I'd rather we become the flagship public university in the northeast, we're well on the way, if we keep pushing forward, and leave the BE behind.
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the problem with you assertion is that we have nowhere to go. i guess you think we should leave the BE and join CUSA? is that the progress you're advocating? because that's the most desireable option available to us right now.
 
OMG!

Beam me up Scotty. There's no intelligent life down here!
 
Rumrunner said:
What took JC and the AD to build over three decades, Herbst presided over its decimation in fewerthan 3 months. She will be forever known as the one that dropped the ball.
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Does anyone else think that Rumrunner is Jeff Hathaway?
 
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mattp said:
the problem with you assertion is that we have nowhere to go. i guess you think we should leave the BE and join CUSA? is that the progress you're advocating? because that's the most desireable option available to us right now.
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No, not leave this instant. But if she cannot arrange an invite to the ACC or the Big Ten, then I'll give her a failing grade for results, if not for her effort. If she has staying in a reconstituted BE as option #1 right now (and I don't think she does) then that would be a problem.
 
It was really said in half-jest, but it does point out the incredible pressure she is under. I have no complaints about her handling of this issue since saturday.

My gut from her statements, and lack of statements, that she has made or caused to be made, sound twirl around positive.
 
We haven't heard from the ACC and we haven't heard from UConn. I reserve my right to panic until either of those things happen.
 
jpm25 said:
enough with these facts getting in the way of really good arguments.
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The argument was TCU should have been brought in in 2003. BL was argubaly wrong about them not being worthy then, but according to wiscy they declined an invitation anyway. So the facts are we couldn't bring in TCU in 2003 even though we wanted to. And when we did bring them in, it didn't matter anway because Pitt/Quse left.
 
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Waquoit said:
You give it a rest. Herbst is a sacred cow and can't be crticized? Why's that?
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I've seen you take a few shots at her now. What, exactly, is your criticism of her? I am genuinely curious, because you clearly have a problem with her, but I have yet to see you say what that problem is.
 
8893 said:
I've seen you take a few shots at her now. What, exactly, is your criticism of her? I am genuinely curious, because you clearly have a problem with her, but I have yet to see you say what that problem is.
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The post wasn't a shot a Herbst. And my "shots" aren't at her per se, but overwhelming number of laudatory posts she gets here in the absence of any accomplishments. So far, all she has done is run a few guys out of Storrs and talk a good game. Big deal. Everyone loved Hogan when he came to town. He talked a good game too.

But I will say I think her AD hire was less than impressive. The guy was clueless about conference realignment.
 
Waquoit said:
But I will say I think her AD hire was less than impressive. The guy was clueless about conference realignment.
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The AD's aren't having the conference alignment discussions. The president's offices and commissioners are.

I agree that she hasn't yet earned a lot of the praise, but she's done nothing to receive the harsh treatment from rumrunner. He isn't saying that she gets and "incomplete", he said she is responsible for allowing everything built to crumble, and keeps beating that drum.

Do you really think that's fair criticism?
 
8893 said:
I've seen you take a few shots at her now. What, exactly, is your criticism of her? I am genuinely curious, because you clearly have a problem with her, but I have yet to see you say what that problem is.
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IIRC Waquoit was upset to see JH pushed out.
 
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