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It used to be that Arizona ONLY had to contend with UCLA for kids in that neighborhood; and occasionally get a National kid. Now, I will be surprised if UCLA gets near them as they were in the late 90s.

It is correct ... To Early To Tell on Miller.

And Pastner? He can't win.
 
Minicoop69 said:
UMMMM.. Zona lost to Wisky in the Elite 8 and Wisky lost to UK on a long 3 point shot!!!!
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Ah, Wisconsin beat Arizona.

In overtime.

By one point.

In a Regional Final.

And Arizona was missing their starting power forward.

Otherwise, great point - Miller clearly failed miserably there.
 
Meh it's like the reverse analogy that KO won with JC's guys. Miller is a good coach, but how many good coaches never won a title or even got to a final four? To say that he'll eventually win is an easy bet, for him to get there is another story.
 
I agree with a previous poster in that I see a near future with UCONN & AZ as the top powers. Unfortunately, I still see Coach Squid there with us.
 
Give Coach Miller some credit. No way he's not going to win with the talent he's assembling. Looking forward to our matchups in the future. May the best team win.
 
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Fishy said:
He's saying that he thinks it's likely that Miller wins a title soon and then adds another one or two down the road - that's not an unreasonable prediction.

It's hard, but if you're looking forward and predicting which young coaches are poised to do such a thing, if you get past the top one or two without getting to Miller, you're doing it wrong.
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In the history of MCBB there are very few who have won 3 (that's what you get when you add a "soon" title and "another one or two" down the road). Starting at age 45 with zero titles have to think only a couple of guys have done that starting there and they are named Wooden and Calhoun and only Jim did it since the 64 team format.

If I buy the "3 or so" over next 20 years for this guy, what is a reasonable prediction for Ollie who is a bit younger and has already won once? Also 3, maybe 4 which should be reasonable since he has already done it and is younger. So that's 30 to 35% of the available hardware for the next 20 years between 2 coaches; doesn't leave much room for Calamari, Izzo, UNCheat, ratface, Florida, Kansas, the Dribbler and the other 330 schools.

In about 75 years of NCAA tournament play only 5 coaches have won 3 or more times, and since the 64 team format in 1985, which is some 30 odd years, there have been only 4 SCHOOLS that have won 3 or more times and 2 coaches - K and JC.

As for likelihood of Pac10 teams winning it all, since 1985 a total of 2 times have a Pac10 team won it all, and both in the 90's. Not many coaches do like JC and win 3 of 4 appearances in final game. Guys like Izzo or K get to final 4 a lot of times to win a few. Izzo made 6 FF to win once and K made 11 FF to win 4; so Miller needs to get to 6 or 7 FF's in 20 years (really 12 if has 25% chance of winning once gets there).

So yeah, I think "soon" and "another one or two down the road" seems highly unreasonable for a 45 year old coach who has never won it all, even once.
 
I think Miller can win multiple Championships but getting the first one can prove to be very elusive. Unless your name is Kevin Ollie...
 
Pudge said:
It used to be that Arizona ONLY had to contend with UCLA for kids in that neighborhood; and occasionally get a National kid. Now, I will be surprised if UCLA gets near them as they were in the late 90s.

It is correct ... To Early To Tell on Miller.

And Pastner? He can't win.
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The last 2 seasons, Pastner is 55-15 (.786 winning percentage)...during that same time span, Pastner has beaten: #5 OK State, #7 Louisville, #12 Louisville, #18 SMU, #23 Gonzaga, and #25 St Mary's

He's also beaten: George Washington, LSU, Tennessee, and Harvard (who knocked Cincy out of the NCAAs)

He's 2-2 in the NCAA tournament during that time.

So to say Pastner "can't win" sounds kind of silly to me...he can do all that, and he's not even 37 yet.
 
Remember the old series we played with Arizona?

I think it was 2000 we went out there and Edmund Saunders threw down a nasty dunk off a steal. Ah memories.
 
Minicoop69 said:
He might be the best recruiter, but obviously can't win the big game. With a loaded lineup he lost to Wisconsin in Elite 8, Wisconsin.

He does that with a loaded lineup every year. Loses in a tight spot.

I will take what UCONN does every year. Recruit guys that will be here for a couple of years, and those high end guys that might only give us 1-2 years. Proved us well last 20 years. In KO I trust.
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You must not follow the sport very much.
 
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He was known for not being able to win outside the C-USA against most big time opponents and I believe without looking the facts were in line. Now with in league wins over LVille his stat sheet filled up nicely to support improvement. Josh will need to win more in the tourney though as a 2-2 record doesn't mean much when you are set up to win the first win considering you are 55-15 in 2y years right. He will need to advance into the next weekend and beyond to begin his vault onto the scene. He's a proven recruiter just needs to be a better X's and O's guy down the stretch……….he will.

As far as Sean Miller, he's going to make people forget Lute Olsen if he stays, that's all I will say!
 
Strummer said:
It's worse than simple minded - it reeks of denial and pettiness.

Guy has been a head coach for 10 seasons. 10. Five of those were at Xavier, which can hardly be considered top tier BB school from which to recruit. Notwithstanding that, he makes 1st round, 2nd round, Sweet 16, and Elite 8. Pretty damn good for a 2nd or 3rd tier BBall school.

Then he moves over to Arizona, so now he's at the top of the second tier. Good for recruiting and so on. Takes a year to get up and running. He then goes first round, Sweet 16, Elite 8, Elite 8. All but the bluebloods would consider that to be an outstanding 4 year run.

IIRC JC coached at Northeastern for 14 years and never made it out of the 1st weekend of the tourni.
Then he coached at UConn for another 11 years and never made the FF with 3 Elite 8s. A couple of those teams were "loaded."

So let's give credit where it's due. Especially because we're at the top of the mountain now. Nothing - I mean nothing - seems more petty and classless as bashing an up and coming talent when you're the established talent.

He's very, very good, and it is much more likely than not that he adds NC hardware to his case in the next few years, and once or twice more in the years that follow.
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I find it rather sad when people here pull this nonsense and then are in an uproar when any criticism is thrown our way. We were Arizona at one point. Infact we were a joke of a program at one point. Lets not forget where this program came from. Lets be proud as our accomplishments as they stand with anyones and lets not try to drag down other programs trying to be where we`re at.
 
Live in arizona now. Tough talking smack when they are recruiting like this for the future. This is how we should be getting them, Tucson ain't that nice :/
 
Does this hurt them in the Isaiah Briscoe sweepstakes?
 
Chris said:
Live in arizona now. Tough talking smack when they are recruiting like this for the future. This is how we should be getting them, Tucson ain't that nice :/
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Tough talking smack??? We have 4 titles, they have 1. We win. One of my best friends is a diehard AZ fan and is one of the biggest smack talkers I know. However, the 4/1 argument always stops him in his tracks.
 
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Chris said:
Live in arizona now. Tough talking smack when they are recruiting like this for the future. This is how we should be getting them, Tucson ain't that nice :/
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As a UConn fan you find it tough talking smack to Arizona fans? We have 4 titles they have 1 and we absolutely own them head to head. They have a nice program but are nowhere near our level, Memphis recruits really well too.
 
They have to be out for Briscoe now with Justin Simon and Trier being in the fold. I've heard Briscoe wants to stay local, that leaves Seton Hall, SJU, Rutgers and us.
 
superjohn said:
They have to be out for Briscoe now with Justin Simon and Trier being in the fold. I've heard Briscoe wants to stay local, that leaves Seton Hall, SJU, Rutgers and us.
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He's not coming to UConn.

I'd put money on Louisville there.
 
Fishy said:
He's not coming to UConn.

I'd put money on Louisville there.
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I agree he isn't coming here, my guess is Seton Hall or Louisville, Ville is heavily involved with Briscoe and Mitchell.
 
CAHUSKY said:
Tough talking smack??? We have 4 titles, they have 1. We win. One of my best friends is a diehard AZ fan and is one of the biggest smack talkers I know. However, the 4/1 argument always stops him in his tracks.
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Well of course the obvious one, but that usually ends the convo lol and that's no fun
 
Not a statement on Miller, but I do think we as UConn fans are blinkered on this. We think of winning championships, even multiple championships, as something the really good teams do.
They don't. Some great coaches never win it all. Hall of Famers coach for 40 years and if they luck one out they're considered legends.
We're in ridiculous rarified air.
 
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Inyatkin said:
Not a statement on Miller, but I do think we as UConn fans are blinkered on this. We think of winning championships, even multiple championships, as something the really good teams do.
They don't. Some great coaches never win it all. Hall of Famers coach for 40 years and if they luck one out they're considered legends.
We're in ridiculous rarified air.
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We are way spoiled and don't realize the luck you need in winning national championships. Kansas has James Naismith and we have more ships than them. We are acting like 2-3 ships is a foregone conclusion for a promising young coach. .......
 
Chris said:
Well of course the obvious one, but that usually ends the convo lol and that's no fun
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It really doesn't because arizona fans are delusional and think they re on the same level as uconn. We've been having this discussion for years and no matter how much we win they still think it's 1997.
 
Waquoit said:
People said the exact same about JC. It was BS then and it's BS now.
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Calhoun never recruited at that level. People did say he couldn't win the big one. Except, in a one game situation, in a big spot, he may have been the best strategist as a college coach ever. The big to big double on Duke and Elton Brand was classic. He kept rotating bigs on him. First it was KFree and Jake, then Edmund, then Souleman.

I'm very high on Miller. He was one of the guys on my secret wish list as Calhoun succesors.
 
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