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Fishy said:
It is remarkable how much meaning some of you can divine from some fairly vague quotes. I'm pessimistic by nature about these things and even I didn't read that much into his quotes other than "we're gonna lose some members.'

Reminder - Aresco was touting the Louisville-Cincinnati rivalry about seven hours before Louisville was voted into the ACC.
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It's only "remarkable" until you realize how many here aren't that bright.
 
I agree and one of the "sources" said he was hearing BYU was getting in as football and men's/women's hoops. So that makes perfect sense as a partner with B12 getting UConn's best assets and UConn getting a solid football home.

I posted earlier, then both rationalize and otherwise find homes for other sports. If some have to die so be it.

businesslawyer said:
Being in the XII for "only" football and basketball is a total win. Hockey and soccer aren't Big XII sports, and while I'd rather baseball in the XII than the Big East or A-Ten, I don't really care. As for every other sport, it makes perfect sense not to leave our geographic region.
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JSM1970 said:
I agree and one of the "sources" said he was hearing BYU was getting in as football and men's/women's hoops. So that makes perfect sense as a partner with B12 getting UConn's best assets and UConn getting a solid football home.

I posted earlier, then both rationalize and otherwise find homes for other sports. If some have to die so be it.
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Can UConn or BYU even do that? I thought that you have to play all of your sports in one conference unless you conference doesn't play that sport. That's why BYU is in the West Coast Conference for there non-football sports. So UConn would be able to play football somewhere, and other sports in the Big East (for example), because the Big East doesn't have football. But where would UConn (or BYU) put all of its other sports if it had to find a conference that doesn't play football or basketball?
 
dr.holiday said:
As a Kansas fan, the Big 12 should take UC and UCONN, Houston and BYU as football only. That makes the most sense. If the Big 12 adds Memphis, I hope it folds in eight years, and we land somewhere. I know KU is pulling for UCONN because of academics and basketball, but in the end, we usually do what Texas tells us to do...sigh.
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This person should never post to this account again. Create a new one and retire with a 10+/1 like to post ratio. Congratulations sir, you have won the internet.
 
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Chuck said:
Can UConn or BYU even do that? I thought that you have to play all of your sports in one conference unless you conference doesn't play that sport. That's why BYU is in the West Coast Conference for there non-football sports. So UConn would be able to play football somewhere, and other sports in the Big East (for example), because the Big East doesn't have football. But where would UConn (or BYU) put all of its other sports if it had to find a conference that doesn't play football or basketball?
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I believe you are correct. If your conference offers the sport, you must keep it there. All of our rando sports in the BE now aren't covered by the AAC. We can't just move football and basketball without all other sports the B12 offers coming along.
 
DoctorWho85 said:
Houston is being taken to prevent the SEC from coming calling.
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That's the same rationale as to why the ACC or B1G should want to grab us now, before the Big12 acts, to keep the Big 12 from imposing its footprint right in their backyard of NYC and NE.
 
TRest said:
I believe you are correct. If your conference offers the sport, you must keep it there. All of our rando sports in the BE now aren't covered by the AAC. We can't just move football and basketball without all other sports the B12 offers coming along.
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Miami baseball from 1991 to 2004 disagrees with you.

Its a rarity that a conference sponsors a sport that a full member does not participate in (and I can think of very few examples, current or historical, outside of conferences that have schools which straddle the FBS/FCS divide, like the Patriot League), but it is ALL up to the deal the schools settle upon joining.
 
The football only hypothesis makes absolutely no goshdarn sense. Sorry to reiterate the plainly obvious, but there'd be no mutual benefit for either UConn or the Big XII. I almost lost an eye from rolling my eyes too hard last time I read that nonsense.

Outside of that, I'm holding out (some reasonable) hope that this is the time UConn finally finds it's way back into a top tier conference again.
 
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TRest said:
I believe you are correct. If your conference offers the sport, you must keep it there. All of our rando sports in the BE now aren't covered by the AAC. We can't just move football and basketball without all other sports the B12 offers coming along.
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Temple was a football only in the BE for many years.
 
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upstater said:
Temple was a football only in the BE for many years.
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A10 (rest of Temple sports) didn't have football.

Good point on Miami, but they stayed independent. I think the rule is you can't play in another conference that has your other sports.
 
Chuck said:
You're trolling me! ;-) They're A10 in everything else (except Hockey East). A10 doesn't play FBS football.
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But that's the catch, isn't it?

I mean, the Big East doesn't play football either. UConn would be in the BE in need of a football home.
 
upstater said:
But that's the catch, isn't it?

I mean, the Big East doesn't play football either. UConn would be in the BE in need of a football home.
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It's in response to the idea that BYU or UConn could put just football and hoops into the b12.
 
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upstater said:
But that's the catch, isn't it?

I mean, the Big East doesn't play football either. UConn would be in the BE in need of a football home.
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Agreed. UConn could do football only in the Big 12, although I can't see why the Big 12 would want that. It's the concept that UConn and BYU could play football AND basketball in the Big 12. The Big East obviously plays basketball (and the WCC also) so I don't think they could play bball in the Big 12.
 
Chuck said:
A10 (rest of Temple sports) didn't have football.

Good point on Miami, but they stayed independent. I think the rule is you can't play in another conference that has your other sports.
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If such a rule exists, it is not universal, but rather applies on a league-by-league basis.

Because here are some examples that violate this "rule":
1) Notre Dame ice hockey in the Big Ten;
2) UConn women's lacrosse and field hockey in the Big East;
3) Villanova football in the Colonial;
4) Temple women's lacrosse and field hockey in the Big East;
5) Cincinnati women's lacrosse and field hockey in the Big East;
6) Florida women's lacrosse in the Big East;
7) Vanderbilt women's lacrosse in the Big East;
8) Kentucky men's soccer in Conference USA;
9) South Carolina men's soccer in Conference USA;
10) West Virginia men's soccer in the MAC;
11) New Mexico men's soccer in Conference USA;
12) Denver men's lacrosse in the Big East;
13) Old Dominion field hockey in the Big East;
14) Air Force men's lacrosse in Atlantic Sun;
15) Air Force men's wrestling in the Big Twelve;
16) Tennessee women's rowing in the Big Twelve;
17) Alabama women's rowing in the Big Twelve;
18) Boise State wrestling in the Pac-12;
19) San Diego State soccer in the Pac-12;

In other words, if the leagues in question all allowed it, a team could play Big Twelve football, ACC basketball, Big Ten ice hockey, Big East lacrosse, Pac Ten volleyball, SEC baseball, CUSA soccer, and Ivy League gymnastics.
 
kingdobbs said:
If such a rule exists, it is not universal, but rather applies on a league-by-league basis.

Because here are some examples that violate this "rule":
1) Notre Dame ice hockey in the Big Ten; ACC doesn't have hockey
2) UConn women's lacrosse and field hockey in the Big East; AAC doesn't have those sports
3) Villanova football in the Colonial; Big East doesn't have football
4) Temple women's lacrosse and field hockey in the Big East; etc, etc, etc,
5) Cincinnati women's lacrosse and field hockey in the Big East;
6) Florida women's lacrosse in the Big East;
7) Vanderbilt women's lacrosse in the Big East;
8) Kentucky men's soccer in Conference USA;
9) South Carolina men's soccer in Conference USA;
10) West Virginia men's soccer in the MAC;
11) New Mexico men's soccer in Conference USA;
12) Denver men's lacrosse in the Big East;
13) Old Dominion field hockey in the Big East;
14) Air Force men's lacrosse in Atlantic Sun;
15) Air Force men's wrestling in the Big Twelve;
16) Tennessee women's rowing in the Big Twelve;
17) Alabama women's rowing in the Big Twelve;
18) Boise State wrestling in the Pac-12;
19) San Diego State soccer in the Pac-12;

In other words, if the leagues in question all allowed it, a team could play Big Twelve football, ACC basketball, Big Ten ice hockey, Big East lacrosse, Pac Ten volleyball, SEC baseball, CUSA soccer, and Ivy League gymnastics.
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You've definitely done some work there, but I think you are missing my point. I believe a team has to play all its sports in one conference unless that conference doesn't offer the sport in question. In that case they can play the sport in another conference. From my review (and I admit I don't have all sports memorized), in every one of those situations, the team's primary conference doesn't sponsor the sport you are referencing.

UConn would still need a home for some sports. I know the Big 12 doesn't have soccer or hockey.
 
Chuck said:
You've definitely done some work there, but I think you are missing my point. I believe a team has to play all its sports in one conference unless that conference doesn't offer the sport in question. In that case they can play the sport in another conference. From my review (and I admit I don't have all sports memorized), in every one of those situations, the team's primary conference doesn't sponsor the sport you are referencing.

UConn would still need a home for some sports. I know the Big 12 doesn't have soccer or hockey.
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I think the B12 has women's soccer
 
Chuck said:
You've definitely done some work there, but I think you are missing my point. I believe a team has to play all its sports in one conference unless that conference doesn't offer the sport in question. In that case they can play the sport in another conference. From my review (and I admit I don't have all sports memorized), in every one of those situations, the team's primary conference doesn't sponsor the sport you are referencing.

UConn would still need a home for some sports. I know the Big 12 doesn't have soccer or hockey.
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The rule you are claiming as universal is discretionary by conference. It is up to each individual conference as to how firm they would stand to require participation.
 
Chuck said:
You've definitely done some work there, but I think you are missing my point. I believe a team has to play all its sports in one conference unless that conference doesn't offer the sport in question. In that case they can play the sport in another conference. From my review (and I admit I don't have all sports memorized), in every one of those situations, the team's primary conference doesn't sponsor the sport you are referencing.

UConn would still need a home for some sports. I know the Big 12 doesn't have soccer or hockey.
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And you're definitely missing mine.

When such a rule exists, it is ONLY part of an agreement between a conference and prospective or current members, and is not universal. And since I can think of at least three examples, historical or otherwise, where the rule is violated (Notre Dame football, between the Big East and ACC; Miami baseball when Miami was a full member of the Big East; Niagara men's hockey when the MAAC hockey league existed), even an existing conference by-law is still negotiable.

The point being: if the Big Twelve only wanted its teams to guarantee football and basketball, and let its members either play in a Big Twelve sponsored league for other sports or to do as they wish, they can definitively do that.
 
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So if we are one of the three schools which exit the AAC, then I think they will just take the very available UMass and stay at 10.

Temple/Umass/ECU/Navy/UCF
Tulsa/SMU/Tulane/Memphis/USF
 
I don't understand this big travel issue. Big 12 schools are already going to West Virginia, UCONN can't be much more than an extra 45 minute flight. The Big 12 should take UCONN for football, men's and women's basketball, baseball, softball and women's volleyball (if UCONN has a team). Everything else should stay regional.
 
alexd. said:
"BYU for football only" is consistent with some of the "insiders" *cough* on Twitter that past 48 hours.
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BYU football only with Colorado State (all sports) as travel partner from Mountain time zone.
Houston and Memphis (due to Fed Ex investment) could be #4. UCONN seems more like a long shot. Hope I am wrong.

BYU - Football only -

Monson: For BYU, football-only membership in Big 12 is perfect enough


Check this out on Colorado State:

Colorado State's pitch to the Big 12 looks like this 12-page brochure

Memphis:

University of Memphis lobbying for possible Big 12 expansion spot


Houston and others:

Big 12 drawing interest from Houston, Memphis
 
Confident Carl said:
BYU football only with Colorado State (all sports) as travel partner from Mountain time zone.
Houston and Memphis (due to Fed Ex investment) could be #4. UCONN seems more like a long shot. Hope I am wrong.

BYU - Football only -
Monson: For BYU, football-only membership in Big 12 is perfect enough

Check this out on Colorado State:
Colorado State's pitch to the Big 12 looks like this 12-page brochure

Memphis:
University of Memphis lobbying for possible Big 12 expansion spot

Houston and others:
Big 12 drawing interest from Houston, Memphis
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Really... posting articles from May here?? Ancient history on this board.
 
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