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We're safe with 2 more losses if the other teams lose multiple games as well.

I would prefer to keep on winning and take any consternation out of it.
Yes, it depends on how other teams do, but I have a hard time seeing us with 3 losses ahead of hypothetical 3-loss Houston or 3-loss Iowa State (Illinois they'd probably give to us based on head to head).
 
The CBS Sports guys just dropped UConn to a 2 seed and elevated Iowa State to the 4th 1 seed. So is this what people were saying about the Big East not helping UConn this season?

Iowa State supplanted UConn on Monday in the updated CBS Sports Bracketology model as the fourth No. 1 seed, bumping the 21-1 Huskies to a projected No. 2 seed on the heels of ISU's fourth consecutive win over the weekend. The. Cyclones (20-2) and Huskies each have a 5-1 record in Quadrant 1 opportunities, and while the former ranks higher than the latter at KenPom, BartTorvik and the NET, the latter has a better Wins Above Bubble (WAB) metric -- which is results-based and generated to quantify how many more or fewer wins a team compiled compared to what a bubble team would average against the same schedule -- as well as a perfect 8-0 record vs. Quad 2 foes.

All that to say: the margin between ISU and UConn is obviously razor-thin. And the change coming after ISU's 95-61 win on Sunday suggests it did well for the Cyclones particularly in the NET, which factors in scoring margin. It should be a tight race for the final couple spots on the No. 1 seed line all the way into March.


Yup, you can see the groundwork being laid already for them to take it from us regardless of our performance.
 
I’m not saying it’s weird. It’s just the BE’s fault. We’ll never have that opportunity this season in conference. We can win by 50 and it won’t matter so long as teams in better conferences continue to win. If Duke beats NC and Clemson they’ll jump us too.
True - even though we could theoretically beat Villanova and St. Johns back to back, 21st and 25th of Feb are different weeks. That is just scheduling, not BE's fault for lack of teams.

But mental exercise. Had we beaten Arizona would we be #1 now or knocked to #2 given Michigan's double top 10 wins?
 
Why is anyone surprised by M passing us in the rankings?!!! They just beat Nebraska and MSU. We beat Providence and Crayton. Im fine with it. We are still in the hunt for the #1 seed. Thats what matters.
 
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Providence is absolutely a scrub team, yes they have talent but objectively they are not a good basketball team. Only on Planet Boneyard is a 9-13 team not considered a scrub team.
Tell Hurley to his face that he is playing scrub teams every night. You wouldn’t dare.
 
It’s not a knock on UConn. They are 8-0 vs our 5-1 in quad 1 wins and have blown out teams far more than we have. I still think we’ve seen their peak but haven’t yet really seen UConn’s but they have a better resume. A lot of that is just based on the conference we play in but still.
Not a challenge at you, but I would genuinely like to know how often a top-3-ranked Gonzaga team would get leapfrogged and everyone shrugs their shoulders because of SoS. It just doesn’t happen with poll voting in the regular season. The precedent has generally been that, at the top of the poll, unless a team loses and a spot opens up, there isn’t any leapfrogging.

Not that I care too much about 2 vs 3. It means nothing for tournament seeding.
 
I think many on this board are placing far too much importance on the first February rankings of this season, but that is your right so I won't push this much further.

As these polls go, there obviously is a recency bias built in with most voters which would not be in our favor due to when we played the best O-O-C schedule i I can remember us playing.

While many will still argue, there is also a bias against all but perhaps a few teams in our conference, which will allow us to lose ground in polls like these without losing games.

Accept it and realize that there is a bigger prize out there and that is what we are after. We have quite a few national championship banners hanging. We don't have one that says "ranked second in early February".
 
Not a challenge at you, but I would genuinely like to know how often a top-3-ranked Gonzaga team would get leapfrogged and everyone shrugs their shoulders because of SoS. It just doesn’t happen with poll voting in the regular season. The precedent has generally been that, at the top of the poll, unless a team loses and a spot opens up, there isn’t any leapfrogging.

Not that I care too much about 2 vs 3. It means nothing for tournament seeding.
I mean #6 22-1 Gonzaga literally got leapfrogged this week and everyone shrugged their shoulders because of SOS.

5-0 Arizona also jumped 5-0 Houston back in week 4 to get to number 2.
 
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There is also something to the ranking when you played them.

Creighton was ranked when Michigan beat them
Creighton was unranked when UConn beat them
When you drop down below the Feb. rankings and look earlier, you notice a lot of things that really shouldn't count because these were all lesser teams. Like, for instance, Seton Hall was ranked when UConn played them. Or, if someone wants to criticize UConn for going to OT with PC, they might notice that PSU had Michigan dead to rights and that only PSU brainfarts produced a 2 pt Michigan win. Who beat PSU? PC.

Now, those aren't the kinds of arguments I would make. I'm only pointing out that if you dropped down to that 50-100 range of teams, it's all a mixed bag. Heck, at one point, Georgetown was ranked.
 
The CBS Sports guys just dropped UConn to a 2 seed and elevated Iowa State to the 4th 1 seed. So is this what people were saying about the Big East not helping UConn this season?

Iowa State supplanted UConn on Monday in the updated CBS Sports Bracketology model as the fourth No. 1 seed, bumping the 21-1 Huskies to a projected No. 2 seed on the heels of ISU's fourth consecutive win over the weekend. The. Cyclones (20-2) and Huskies each have a 5-1 record in Quadrant 1 opportunities, and while the former ranks higher than the latter at KenPom, BartTorvik and the NET, the latter has a better Wins Above Bubble (WAB) metric -- which is results-based and generated to quantify how many more or fewer wins a team compiled compared to what a bubble team would average against the same schedule -- as well as a perfect 8-0 record vs. Quad 2 foes.

All that to say: the margin between ISU and UConn is obviously razor-thin. And the change coming after ISU's 95-61 win on Sunday suggests it did well for the Cyclones particularly in the NET, which factors in scoring margin. It should be a tight race for the final couple spots on the No. 1 seed line all the way into March.


It almost makes a team like UConn do what Gonzaga does, which is schedule 1 or 2 tough OOC games, and then coast, rather than schedule 5 or 6 tough OOC games.

If you're not going to get credit for a tough OC, you might as well rely on your inflated record.
 
A major theme in the Hurley years before NCAA Tournament invitations was "excruciating losses," and then it carried over to opening round disappointments. And then there were back-to-back championships.
If you look back, there are several excruciating losses during the back-to-back championship years.

So fans and pundits are knocking UConn for needing OT to beat PC. Did they like it better when UConn lost to PC and then destroyed the entire B1G conference in one of the most memorable March Madness humiliations on record?
 
Providence is absolutely a scrub team, yes they have talent but objectively they are not a good basketball team. Only on Planet Boneyard is a 9-13 team not considered a scrub team.
But that's not even the issue. Michigan scraped by a team a couple weeks ago that LOST to PC.
 
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Only 1 poll matters to me. The one that comes out after the first weekend in April. You guys know the poll and so does the rest of the country. The one we of which have finished first 6 times since 1999. And the number I really care about is SEVEN. 7.
This. This is the only thing that matters. It’s really lame to get worked up over polls. I just don’t understand the logic. We are going to get talked about less at #3 then #2?? First off, that makes no sense. And 2, who the hell cares. Just win games, that’s literally the only thing that matters.
 
This is absolutely a warning shot that voters (and by extension the Selection Committee) are not impressed with our resume compared to others at the top. We're probably the 4th #1 seed at the moment, behind Arizona, Michigan, and Duke.

The question is, how close do they consider the teams behind us -- Houston, Iowa State, Purdue, Gonzaga, Illinois?

I used to think that we're safe on the #1 line with two more losses, but even that might put us in jeopardy. The Big East is costing us big time this year.
This is so far off the rails, omg
 
I’m all over the place on this.

I want us to be ranked #1 at some point because I do like the “basketball capital of the world” swagger and the fact we are the school with the men’s/women’s team ranked 1 more than anyone. (I know. Take this to the women’s board).

At the same time, anything Hurley can spin as a slight only helps our motivation.
 
This week put us ahead of Villanova in the "All-Time" AP Poll


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I mean #6 22-1 Gonzaga literally got leapfrogged this week and everyone shrugged their shoulders because of SOS.

5-0 Arizona also jumped 5-0 Houston back in week 4 to get to number 2.
Gonzaga stayed where they were, not dropped in ranking. Nebraska lost and made room.

We lost, which made space for Arizona to jump Houston.

I’m talking about a team falling in ranking when neither they nor anyone in front of them in ranking lost. I specified that condition in the post you responded to. Guess I should’ve used a different term than leapfrog
 
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