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Not shocked, CBS Sports was reporting that this would happen yesterday. I still think their conference should win a national championship before they automatically allow teams to bypass the team that hasn’t lost.
But, but, but, the Girlverines just beat the B1G's reigning national champion.........sure it was in 2000, but just proves how tough the league is.

You know the drill. They beat each other up in the regular season and don't have anything left for the tournament. Yada, yada, yada, rinse and repeat their likely excuses.
 
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Duke won at MSU, Kansas, Arkansas, Florida.............

A win against StJ would go a long way.

And we beat Kansas, Florida, MSU (exhibition), along with BYU, Illinois. Somehow those benefit other programs and are conveniently forgotten. We lost to AZ without 2 starters. They are better until we play again. They rest all have worse losses.

The BE isn't the help it usually us but all but 2 teams are at top 100.

The static from the talking heads gets worse every year. The 4 teams I mentioned are the best 4. Others could win a title based on a Kemba like performance.

Sweeping St John is a must if we want the overall #1 seed, but in reality we only need to stay ahead of Duke to go Philly/DC in the NCAA.
 
And we beat Kansas, Florida, MSU (exhibition), along with BYU, Illinois. Somehow those benefit other programs and are conveniently forgotten. We lost to AZ without 2 starters. They are better until we play again. They rest all have worse losses.

The BE isn't the help it usually us but all but 2 teams are at top 100.

The static from the talking heads gets worse every year. The 4 teams I mentioned are the best 4. Others could win a title based on a Kemba like performance.

Sweeping St John is a must if we want the overall #1 seed, but in reality we only need to stay ahead of Duke to go Philly/DC in the NCAA.
an exhibition means nothing when it comes to selection Sunday
 
And we beat Kansas, Florida, MSU (exhibition), along with BYU, Illinois. Somehow those benefit other programs and are conveniently forgotten. We lost to AZ without 2 starters. They are better until we play again. They rest all have worse losses.

The BE isn't the help it usually us but all but 2 teams are at top 100.

The static from the talking heads gets worse every year. The 4 teams I mentioned are the best 4. Others could win a title based on a Kemba like performance.

Sweeping St John is a must if we want the overall #1 seed, but in reality we only need to stay ahead of Duke to go Philly/DC in the NCAA.
Was simply correcting the previous poster saying their best win was Louisville.

I do think our OOC resume is a bit better.
 
Has anyone found an instance of a top 5 team dropping despite not losing? Love the bulletin board material.
 
Put me down as someone who doesn't care in the slightest about two verses three. In fact, I'd rather the team be ranked lower as motivation than higher as some type of affirmation of superiority.

Real me this: how many championships has UConn won as the higher seed?
There are real consequences though.

Some bracketologists have us a 2nd seed right now, and we'd be in Arizona's bracket.

Meanwhile their 1 seed Iowa St. has Houston as a 2 seed.

Effectively that could be the Championship game in the E8 (where have I heard that before? 1990 Duke, 1995 UCLA, 1998 North Carolina, 2002 Maryland).
 
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I literally showed you how many top teams they've played and we played.

While at the end of the year, you'll be right and the B1G slate will be tougher, so far UConn has played more top ranked teams.
Timing matters, though. And playing ranked teams over the course of a season is more meaningful to voters than playing none after mid-December. Look, the New Big East is not good this year. The bottom dwellers might not be quite as bad as in previous years. I mean Seton Hall and DePaul were barely d1 programs at times in recent years, but the problem is that the middle of the league isn’t very good. The top is 1 team deep which has been a fairly standard NBE issue but now the middle has been hollowed out. It’s basically the problem Gonzaga has had for years. There is a big dog then maybe a kinda big dog then everybody else. The latest bracketology has the NBE as a 3 bid league.
 
There are real consequences though.

Some bracketologists have us a 2nd seed right now, and we'd be in Arizona's bracket.

Meanwhile their 1 seed Iowa St. has Houston as a 2 seed.

Effectively that could be the Championship game in the E8 (where have I heard that before? 1990 Duke, 1995 UCLA, 1998 North Carolina, 2002 Maryland).
There are a lot of games left to be played in the B12 and B10 to determine 1 seed. Any one of AZ, Houston, ISU could still get hot and make a move. I think Kansas and TT have too much ground to make up. Illinois could win the B10 and warrant a 1.
 
This is ai generated so I can’t vouch for its accuracy. As you can see, while it’s not unusual for a top five team to not lose and drop it is not something that happens often.

AP Top-5 Drops Without Losing (1990–91 through 2023–24)

SeasonWeekTeamPrev RankNew RankRecordNotes / Context
1992–937Indiana#4#51–0Michigan jumped them after a high-profile win
1993–944North Carolina#3#41–0Arkansas beat #6 Arizona and surged
1993–9410Kentucky#5#60–0Idle week; UMass had two strong wins
1996–9710Wake Forest#2#31–0Kansas beat #4 Cincinnati and jumped ahead
1997–984Arizona#3#40–0Idle week; Kansas had two strong wins
1997–9811Duke#3#42–0UNC beat #7 Clemson and voters rewarded the stronger win
1998–996Stanford#4#51–0Maryland beat #5 Kentucky and jumped ahead
1999–20003Auburn#4#50–0Idle week; Arizona beat two ranked teams
1999–20009Syracuse#5#62–0Michigan State beat #7 Purdue and moved up
2000–018Michigan State#2#31–0Stanford beat #4 Duke and jumped MSU
2001–025Illinois#4#51–0Oklahoma beat #14 Arkansas
2001–0210Kansas#2#30–0Idle week; Maryland beat #9 Oklahoma
2003–047Florida#5#62–0UConn beat #13 Oklahoma
2004–054Oklahoma State#5#61–0Illinois beat #1 Wake Forest
2004–0512Kansas#2#30–0Idle week; UNC beat #4 Wake Forest
2005–069Villanova#4#51–0Memphis beat #9 Gonzaga
2006–075Pittsburgh#3#41–0UCLA beat #19 Texas A&M
2006–0714Wisconsin#2#30–0Idle week; Ohio State beat #20 Purdue
2008–096Texas#5#61–0Wake Forest beat #9 Baylor
2009–104Villanova#3#42–0Texas beat #10 USC
2009–1011Purdue#4#51–0Syracuse beat #9 West Virginia
2010–118Syracuse#4#52–0UConn beat #12 Texas
2011–126Louisville#4#51–0UNC beat #9 Wisconsin
2011–1212Missouri#5#62–0Duke beat #8 UNC
2013–149Wisconsin#4#52–0Michigan State beat #5 Ohio State
2014–157Louisville#4#51–0Duke beat #2 Wisconsin
2014–1514Villanova#4#52–0Virginia beat #9 Notre Dame
2015–165Kansas#4#51–0Maryland beat UConn
2015–1614Iowa#4#50–0Oklahoma beat #10 West Virginia
2016–179UCLA#4#51–0Gonzaga beat #21 Saint Mary’s
2017–186Wichita State#4#51–0Duke beat #24 Florida State
2017–1814Purdue#3#42–0Virginia beat #18 Clemson
2018–1910Michigan#2#31–0Duke beat #13 Florida State
2019–204Duke#1#21–0Louisville beat #4 Michigan
2019–207Louisville#1#32–0Kansas & Gonzaga both beat ranked teams
2019–2012Auburn#4#52–0Baylor beat #3 Kansas
2020–218Iowa#4#51–0Michigan beat #9 Wisconsin
2021–224UCLA#2#50–0Duke beat #1 Gonzaga
2021–2210Purdue#3#42–0Baylor beat #8 Iowa State
2021–2214Arizona#3#41–0Auburn beat #12 Kentucky
2022–236Virginia#3#51–0UConn beat #20 Iowa State
2022–2311Houston#1#22–0Purdue beat #24 Ohio State
2023–243Marquette#4#51–0UConn beat Indiana
2023–247Arizona#1#21–0Purdue beat Arizona head-to-head
2023–2410Kansas#2#41–0Houston & UConn had stronger wins
2023–2414North Carolina#3#42–0UConn beat #4 Marquette
 
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This is ai generated so I can’t vouch for its accuracy. As you can see, while it’s not unusual for a top five team to not lose and drop it is not something that happens often.

AP Top-5 Drops Without Losing (1990–91 through 2023–24)

SeasonWeekTeamPrev RankNew RankRecordNotes / Context
1992–937Indiana#4#51–0Michigan jumped them after a high-profile win
1993–944North Carolina#3#41–0Arkansas beat #6 Arizona and surged
1993–9410Kentucky#5#60–0Idle week; UMass had two strong wins
1996–9710Wake Forest#2#31–0Kansas beat #4 Cincinnati and jumped ahead
1997–984Arizona#3#40–0Idle week; Kansas had two strong wins
1997–9811Duke#3#42–0UNC beat #7 Clemson and voters rewarded the stronger win
1998–996Stanford#4#51–0Maryland beat #5 Kentucky and jumped ahead
1999–20003Auburn#4#50–0Idle week; Arizona beat two ranked teams
1999–20009Syracuse#5#62–0Michigan State beat #7 Purdue and moved up
2000–018Michigan State#2#31–0Stanford beat #4 Duke and jumped MSU
2001–025Illinois#4#51–0Oklahoma beat #14 Arkansas
2001–0210Kansas#2#30–0Idle week; Maryland beat #9 Oklahoma
2003–047Florida#5#62–0UConn beat #13 Oklahoma
2004–054Oklahoma State#5#61–0Illinois beat #1 Wake Forest
2004–0512Kansas#2#30–0Idle week; UNC beat #4 Wake Forest
2005–069Villanova#4#51–0Memphis beat #9 Gonzaga
2006–075Pittsburgh#3#41–0UCLA beat #19 Texas A&M
2006–0714Wisconsin#2#30–0Idle week; Ohio State beat #20 Purdue
2008–096Texas#5#61–0Wake Forest beat #9 Baylor
2009–104Villanova#3#42–0Texas beat #10 USC
2009–1011Purdue#4#51–0Syracuse beat #9 West Virginia
2010–118Syracuse#4#52–0UConn beat #12 Texas
2011–126Louisville#4#51–0UNC beat #9 Wisconsin
2011–1212Missouri#5#62–0Duke beat #8 UNC
2013–149Wisconsin#4#52–0Michigan State beat #5 Ohio State
2014–157Louisville#4#51–0Duke beat #2 Wisconsin
2014–1514Villanova#4#52–0Virginia beat #9 Notre Dame
2015–165Kansas#4#51–0Maryland beat UConn
2015–1614Iowa#4#50–0Oklahoma beat #10 West Virginia
2016–179UCLA#4#51–0Gonzaga beat #21 Saint Mary’s
2017–186Wichita State#4#51–0Duke beat #24 Florida State
2017–1814Purdue#3#42–0Virginia beat #18 Clemson
2018–1910Michigan#2#31–0Duke beat #13 Florida State
2019–204Duke#1#21–0Louisville beat #4 Michigan
2019–207Louisville#1#32–0Kansas & Gonzaga both beat ranked teams
2019–2012Auburn#4#52–0Baylor beat #3 Kansas
2020–218Iowa#4#51–0Michigan beat #9 Wisconsin
2021–224UCLA#2#50–0Duke beat #1 Gonzaga
2021–2210Purdue#3#42–0Baylor beat #8 Iowa State
2021–2214Arizona#3#41–0Auburn beat #12 Kentucky
2022–236Virginia#3#51–0UConn beat #20 Iowa State
2022–2311Houston#1#22–0Purdue beat #24 Ohio State
2023–243Marquette#4#51–0UConn beat Indiana
2023–247Arizona#1#21–0Purdue beat Arizona head-to-head
2023–2410Kansas#2#41–0Houston & UConn had stronger wins
2023–2414North Carolina#3#42–0UConn beat #4 Marquette
4x in 23-24 alone.
 
This is ai generated so I can’t vouch for its accuracy. As you can see, while it’s not unusual for a top five team to not lose and drop it is not something that happens often.

AP Top-5 Drops Without Losing (1990–91 through 2023–24)

SeasonWeekTeamPrev RankNew RankRecordNotes / Context
1992–937Indiana#4#51–0Michigan jumped them after a high-profile win
1993–944North Carolina#3#41–0Arkansas beat #6 Arizona and surged
1993–9410Kentucky#5#60–0Idle week; UMass had two strong wins
1996–9710Wake Forest#2#31–0Kansas beat #4 Cincinnati and jumped ahead
1997–984Arizona#3#40–0Idle week; Kansas had two strong wins
1997–9811Duke#3#42–0UNC beat #7 Clemson and voters rewarded the stronger win
1998–996Stanford#4#51–0Maryland beat #5 Kentucky and jumped ahead
1999–20003Auburn#4#50–0Idle week; Arizona beat two ranked teams
1999–20009Syracuse#5#62–0Michigan State beat #7 Purdue and moved up
2000–018Michigan State#2#31–0Stanford beat #4 Duke and jumped MSU
2001–025Illinois#4#51–0Oklahoma beat #14 Arkansas
2001–0210Kansas#2#30–0Idle week; Maryland beat #9 Oklahoma
2003–047Florida#5#62–0UConn beat #13 Oklahoma
2004–054Oklahoma State#5#61–0Illinois beat #1 Wake Forest
2004–0512Kansas#2#30–0Idle week; UNC beat #4 Wake Forest
2005–069Villanova#4#51–0Memphis beat #9 Gonzaga
2006–075Pittsburgh#3#41–0UCLA beat #19 Texas A&M
2006–0714Wisconsin#2#30–0Idle week; Ohio State beat #20 Purdue
2008–096Texas#5#61–0Wake Forest beat #9 Baylor
2009–104Villanova#3#42–0Texas beat #10 USC
2009–1011Purdue#4#51–0Syracuse beat #9 West Virginia
2010–118Syracuse#4#52–0UConn beat #12 Texas
2011–126Louisville#4#51–0UNC beat #9 Wisconsin
2011–1212Missouri#5#62–0Duke beat #8 UNC
2013–149Wisconsin#4#52–0Michigan State beat #5 Ohio State
2014–157Louisville#4#51–0Duke beat #2 Wisconsin
2014–1514Villanova#4#52–0Virginia beat #9 Notre Dame
2015–165Kansas#4#51–0Maryland beat UConn
2015–1614Iowa#4#50–0Oklahoma beat #10 West Virginia
2016–179UCLA#4#51–0Gonzaga beat #21 Saint Mary’s
2017–186Wichita State#4#51–0Duke beat #24 Florida State
2017–1814Purdue#3#42–0Virginia beat #18 Clemson
2018–1910Michigan#2#31–0Duke beat #13 Florida State
2019–204Duke#1#21–0Louisville beat #4 Michigan
2019–207Louisville#1#32–0Kansas & Gonzaga both beat ranked teams
2019–2012Auburn#4#52–0Baylor beat #3 Kansas
2020–218Iowa#4#51–0Michigan beat #9 Wisconsin
2021–224UCLA#2#50–0Duke beat #1 Gonzaga
2021–2210Purdue#3#42–0Baylor beat #8 Iowa State
2021–2214Arizona#3#41–0Auburn beat #12 Kentucky
2022–236Virginia#3#51–0UConn beat #20 Iowa State
2022–2311Houston#1#22–0Purdue beat #24 Ohio State
2023–243Marquette#4#51–0UConn beat Indiana
2023–247Arizona#1#21–0Purdue beat Arizona head-to-head
2023–2410Kansas#2#41–0Houston & UConn had stronger wins
2023–2414North Carolina#3#42–0UConn beat #4 Marquette
I was told it was a conspiracy against UConn and money was involved.
 
Put me down as someone who doesn't care in the slightest about two verses three. In fact, I'd rather the team be ranked lower as motivation than higher as some type of affirmation of superiority.

Real me this: how many championships has UConn won in great detail, more than is needed

To date, every team needed to play at least 1 game as the higher seed to win a national championship.

1 2024, 1999
2 2004
3 2011
4 2023
7 2014

5 no team has won out of that slot
6 was Kansas in 1988
8 was Villanova in 1985
9-16 + play-in, tell me more about a 5th seed
 
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Is it really bulletin board material, tho? I mean it's not like the team was "disrespected". The dropped because they have been struggling eeking out wins against mediocre Big East opponents while Michigan just beat a pair of top 10 teams. Not rocket science, and not disrespected.

The ACC has 5 top 25 teams. Big 12 has 6. Big 10 has 5.SEC has 4. Big East has 2. That means a lot more "meaningful" games from a vs. ranked opponents perspective.

And in those other conferences a few teams in the top 6-8 in the league aren't ranked like Texas Tech - unranked but 7-1 in conference.
 
We beat Creighton on the road and that is a great victory, even though they kind of suck this year. Michigan beat TWO Top ten teams BACK TO BACK. So let's role play here: if Michigan was 2 and beat up on, lets' say, Northwestern, and we, as #3 beat Michigan State and Nebraska on consecutive weeks and stayed behind Michigan, we would be losing our collective brains over the "lack of respect". And by the way, that's exactly who they beat!!!!
 
Glancing at the topic thread line ... AP Poll Week #13

I suffered a major panic attack of WTF? ... mistakenly thinking we fell from #2 to #13 ...

... despite our dismantling of Creighton in wonderfully hostile territory

Phew, it was only #2 to #3 ...

I was fearing college basketball Armageddon had occurred

... along with the rest of the world.

Michigan deserves number two at this point ... looking forward to a head-to-head matchup ... as well as the rematch against U of A
It's an ambiguous thread title.
"Week 13 AP Poll" would clear that up. Even just eliminating the # symbol would help.
 
I guess I don't know how we fix it if we aren't recruiting at a high level. I've been saying this for a couple years now. The BE as a whole doesn't recruit well at the HS level, so how do we miraculously turn it around?

Latest mock has Zubi, and then Dillon Mitchell back end of 2nd round. The entire first two rounds is made up of SEC/B12/B10/ACC. It's nothing but a talent shortage because we can't recruit. Who do we have in this league next year that has a chance to be special? Gtown has a fairly high kid coming in. No one really mopped up in the portal this past go outside of UConn & StJ.

Go look at the B12 - it's a lot of star power through HS recruiting, mixed with high end returners.


Best HS class after us is Creighton at 37. The BE is cooked. It's just not a draw anymore for top kids, and gets second rate transfers.

It comes down to NIL.

The Big East private universities either haven’t prioritized or been able to generate the same level of NIL funding that the large state universities in the Big 12, the Big Ten, SEC, and the ACC have.

Other than UConn, the Big East schools this past year lost players through the portal to the P4 schools and replaced them with mid major or low major portal transfers. On top of that, again other than UConn, the Big East hasn’t recently been able to recruit a significant number of 4 and 5 star high school players.

If the Big East wants again to be a basketball powerhouse league they’ll have to make a commitment to NIL funding for basketball that matches what the P4 schools are doing. UConn and St. John’s have done that.

I don’t know what the NIL situation is at the other BE schools. But in this great freshman class that exists in college basketball this year, how many of those players are at a Big East school? I believe Mullins is the only one. All the rest of them are at P4 schools.
 
To date, every team needed to play at least 1 game as the higher seed to win a national championship.

1 2024, 1999
2 2004
3 2011
4 2023
7 2014

5 no team has won out of that slot
6 was Kansas in 1988
8 was Villanova in 1985
9-16 + play-in, tell me more about a 5th seed

I would reply but rereading my post, I have absolutely no idea what I was trying to say. Speech to text sucks.
 
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It comes down to NIL.

The Big East private universities either haven’t prioritized or been able to generate the same level of NIL funding that the large state universities in the Big 12, the Big Ten, SEC, and the ACC have.

Other than UConn, the Big East schools this past year lost players through the portal to the P4 schools and replaced them with mid major or low major portal transfers. On top of that, again other than UConn, the Big East hasn’t recently been able to recruit a significant number of 4 and 5 star high school players.

If the Big East wants again to be a basketball powerhouse league they’ll have to make a commitment to NIL funding for basketball that matches what the P4 schools are doing. UConn and St. John’s have done that.

I don’t know what the NIL situation is at the other BE schools. But in this great freshman class that exists in college basketball this year, how many of those players are at a Big East school? I believe Mullins is the only one. All the rest of them are at P4 schools.
A lot of this just isn't true.
 
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A lot of this just isn't true.
Fair. Would appreciate if you could elaborate, because I have no reason to believe that if the big east schools were paying players more than the P4, or at least the same, that the conference would have a larger number of highly regarded, star players. Maybe what you’re suggesting is that this year is an aberration. If so again if you could elaborate that would be fantastic.
 
170 posts on a poll in February…..pathetic even by Boneyard standards

Play and win…..literally the only thing that matters. Such a god damn inferiority complex around here. This isn’t new folks and it’s never gonna change. So quit your whining and just pay attention to what happens on the court.
 
Fair. Would appreciate if you could elaborate, because I have no reason to believe that if the big east schools were paying players more than the P4, or at least the same, that the conference would have a larger number of highly regarded, star players. Maybe what you’re suggesting is that this year is an aberration. If so again if you could elaborate that would be fantastic.
The Big East is spending a lot on NIL, they had highly nationally ranked portal classes, and a lot of players from high major/P5 schools. Shaheen brought in a bunch of mid-major players because those are the guys he wanted. He didn't spend all the money they had set aside to get players. He brought in P5 transfers the previous season and it was a disaster.

Some schools in the league got new coaches in the offseason and their recruiting/portal classes suffered for it.

The league didn't bring in many top high school recruits, that's true and it looks that way for next season too. Part of that is because the second best program in the league brought in a new coach. McDermott brought in one who is barely playing and he decided to go the transfer route and unfortunately the guys haven't produced. Pitino said he wasn't recruiting high school kids, I think he only brought in one and he had the # transfer portal class in the country.
 
I doubt this happens but there is a scenario out there where we win out in the league, finish 20-0 and have zero wins over ranked opponents over that span. I don’t expect that but if the Jonnies lose a couple it’s possible. Duke I think has 5 ranked opponents left. Michigan has 4, Iowa State has 5. Even best case we have 2. Duke or Michigan will have at least 1 loss. But it wouldn’t be a ridiculous argument to say any one of them could be ranked higher than UConn even with 2 losses. If you want to argue strength of schedule matters for mid-majors it should also matter for power programs.
 
The Big East is spending a lot on NIL, they had highly nationally ranked portal classes, and a lot of players from high major/P5 schools. Shaheen brought in a bunch of mid-major players because those are the guys he wanted. He didn't spend all the money they had set aside to get players. He brought in P5 transfers the previous season and it was a disaster.

Some schools in the league got new coaches in the offseason and their recruiting/portal classes suffered for it.

The league didn't bring in many top high school recruits, that's true and it looks that way for next season too. Part of that is because the second best program in the league brought in a new coach. McDermott brought in one who is barely playing and he decided to go the transfer route and unfortunately the guys haven't produced. Pitino said he wasn't recruiting high school kids, I think he only brought in one and he had the # transfer portal class in the country.
Which schools had high ranked portal classes other than StJ?

This list doesn't have much BE on it.

I repeat - no way the BE is turning anything around if it doesn't bring talent in, especially when more is going out. We lost Conwell and Swain.

We might be spending, but we sure aren't getting the best of them. Super thin on top 50 in HS this year (1 top 50 kid other than us) not sure a lot is rolling back if PC kids take off. StJ is going to be losing their top 3 kids due to graduation. The most exciting team going into next year due to talent is likely punting their coach and losing those kid.

The trend is not looking good and it hasn't looked good. Maybe we crush it in the portal this upcoming cycle, but there is absolutely nothing suggesting that is happening. If you ask me, the BE is in the middle of a chronic nosedive. Nova may help pick up some slack with Wllard there.
 
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Timing matters, though. And playing ranked teams over the course of a season is more meaningful to voters than playing none after mid-December. Look, the New Big East is not good this year. The bottom dwellers might not be quite as bad as in previous years. I mean Seton Hall and DePaul were barely d1 programs at times in recent years, but the problem is that the middle of the league isn’t very good. The top is 1 team deep which has been a fairly standard NBE issue but now the middle has been hollowed out. It’s basically the problem Gonzaga has had for years. There is a big dog then maybe a kinda big dog then everybody else. The latest bracketology has the NBE as a 3 bid league.
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Im not talking about the end of year poll. I'm talking about this week's poll.

Gonzaga is not a proper comparison because they only played Michigan in this week's top 25.

AND the BE is and always will be better than the WCC and certainly the Pac12.

Their second best team St. Mary's plays NO ONE. They had one game against Vanderbilt. Totally different from the BEs 2nd best team.

San Fran, the same, no ranked opponents OOC.

Pepperdine, Seattle, Santa Clara, Portland, Loyola, San Diego, the same. No ranked opponents OOC.
 
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