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AP Poll Week #13

RuffRuff said:
So you think the BE is knocking it out of the park on the recruiting front? And you expect them to recruit like the rest of the P4?
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I very clearly did not say any of that. I think they're doing fine with HS recruiting and will continue to load up from the portal like they have been
 
RuffRuff said:
The challenge for even a top tier team is that just getting to the NC is going to require going through at least 3 plus teams to get there. The top 4 seeds in any region are going to be very good.

I'm not sure having the most 3pt shooters is the only advantage to acknowledge. Right now, one of the most telling stats of success this year is rebounding margin. AZ, Florida, UM, Duke, Illinois, all in the top 14. We're 58th.

We have really lifted our 3pt% over the last couple games, from abou 150 to 54th nationally.
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You really do have to comment on every post? While you have an opinion on this, the reality is 3 point shooting wins championships. The statistics bear it out as well. If we get high quality 3 point looks and make them, we are going to win against a team that barely shoots 3 pointers (Arizona) even if they outrebound us by 8-10. Our offense struggled in January, but we’ve seen the last 2 games what our offense can and has looked like the past few years. My personal eye test last night and at Creighton says if we shoot like that and defend like we have been no one is going to beat us in the tournament.
 
RuffRuff said:
That season isn't happening again - was the year of the old players, last COVID year. Auburn may have had the all time oldest college team of all time. It was the same reason the BE had some starpower left.

Having high end talent matters. Sure, someone may find the next Keaton Wagler, but your chances of landing difference making talent usually starts with recruiting in the top 50 or so. Shaka is always sniffing around in the 75-150 range, but he's been missing more than he's been winning lately.
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This season is also an outlier with how many absurdly talented freshman there are. There are 3 guys that people for months argued which should go #1 pick.
 
freescooter said:
I was not doing a side by side comparison with Gonzaga. Or the NBE and WCC More of an example of the relationship between top teams and the rest of their conferences. There is one major national player. One borderline one and them a bunch of mediocre to bad ones. On a relative basis it fair to say we are better than Gonzaga, though it is close and could change year to year, St John’s is better than St Mary’s. But that wasn’t the point.
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Gonzaga lost to a horrendous Portland team tonight
 
RashadRay11 said:
Next year we should schedule games against Gonzaga and Duke in January and February. They both need them like us
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I agree. A couple of signature non conference games after the conference schedule begins, instead of all of those games in November and December. And more of them, because I think the Big East is regretfully on the way down and will never be what it once was. UConn will own the league like Gonzaga in the WCC. I hope that we eventually can join the ACC or the Big 12.
 
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FreeDogs said:
Everything in this sport is about money and no matter how you break down the argument it connects to money in some way.
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Explain how “money” resulted in UM and UConn swapping #2 and #3 rankings in the AP and Coaches polls.
 
upstater said:
What if Michigan's only loss was to #1 Arizona while our loss was to Seton Hall?
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It does not change the week they had. Beating two top 10 teams, one of them on the road, trumps what we had done up that week. Now, things change, right? More information comes in. We trounced two teams. If we make it 3 dominant victories in a row, two of them on the road and one of them against a top 25 team, then you are building a better argument to return to 2. But it does not matter: Those teams might have peaked early. We are peaking at the right time. And remember, we have institutional memory regarding winning titles. Arizona does not. Michigan does not, at least not in the lifetime of their current players.
 
Iluvsuebird said:
It does not change the week they had. Beating two top 10 teams, one of them on the road, trumps what we had done up that week. Now, things change, right? More information comes in. We trounced two teams. If we make it 3 dominant victories in a row, two of them on the road and one of them against a top 25 team, then you are building a better argument to return to 2. But it does not matter: Those teams might have peaked early. We are peaking at the right time. And remember, we have institutional memory regarding winning titles. Arizona does not. Michigan does not, at least not in the lifetime of their current players.
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Would be interesting if we put a solid whooping on StJ if they would put us back at 2.
 
Rocktheworld said:
Explain how “money” resulted in UM and UConn swapping #2 and #3 rankings in the AP and Coaches polls.
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Michigan has more money to pay players and Michigan has more money as a member of the Big Ten, both allowing to schedule a stronger schedule to include withing league play. We all agree they have a stronger schedule as late and their performance in that time, backed by money, has been stronger than ours and led to the move up over us.

Everything comes back to money in this sport.
 
Iluvsuebird said:
It does not change the week they had. Beating two top 10 teams, one of them on the road, trumps what we had done up that week. Now, things change, right? More information comes in. We trounced two teams. If we make it 3 dominant victories in a row, two of them on the road and one of them against a top 25 team, then you are building a better argument to return to 2. But it does not matter: Those teams might have peaked early. We are peaking at the right time. And remember, we have institutional memory regarding winning titles. Arizona does not. Michigan does not, at least not in the lifetime of their current players.
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So, a bad loss gets forgotten? I mean, it's a vote for the season you've had, not what you did in the week
 
FreeDogs said:
Michigan has more money to pay players and Michigan has more money as a member of the Big Ten, both allowing to schedule a stronger schedule to include withing league play. We all agree they have a stronger schedule as late and their performance in that time, backed by money, has been stronger than ours and led to the move up over us.

Everything comes back to money in this sport.
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I can now appreciate your point. Feel free to be this direct and complete in expressing your thoughts —or at least a bit less nebulous than “$$$$$$$”— in the future
 
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Rocktheworld said:
I can now appreciate your point. Feel free to be this direct and complete in expressing your thoughts —or at least a bit less nebulous than “$$$$$$$”— in the future
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Will do. I was having a bad brain day when I responded so I can understand now how I left it nebulous.

By bad brain day I am referring to a medical thing, not that I wasn't thinking through what I was saying.
 
husky8273 said:
I think we drop to #6.
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Who would you put ahead of us?

Michigan and Duke.

That takes us to #4.

Illinois is next, they have one more loss, and UConn handled them with ease.
 
upstater said:
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Who would you put ahead of us?

Michigan and Duke.

That takes us to #4.

Illinois is next, they have one more loss, and UConn handled them with ease.
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Illinois will jump us if they beat MSU tonight, bank on it. They’ll drop to 5. ISU barely for by Baylor today. Duke all tied up, so we could sit put.
 
RuffRuff said:
Illinois will jump us if they beat MSU tonight, bank on it. They’ll drop to 5. ISU barely for by Baylor today. Duke all tied up, so we could sit put.
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Why Illinois?

It makes no sense.

More losses and head-to-head.
 
Well that Duke loss helps some of course they probably drop 2 spots and we probably drop 5 spots.
 
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upstater said:
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Who would you put ahead of us?

Michigan and Duke.

That takes us to #4.

Illinois is next, they have one more loss, and UConn handled them with ease.
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I won't be shocked if Illinois beats MSU then jumps us in the AP. Saw some talking head say yesterday "if any of the teams on the 1 line lose watch for Illinois to jump them, they are that good" or something like that.

While I think it would be preposterous for them to take our spot on the 1 seed line due to our H2H win, the AP is a totally different story. They've been playing well lately and it's more a "what have you done for me lately" type of ranking.
 
upstater said:
Why Illinois?

It makes no sense.

More losses and head-to-head.
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Many reasons - as in recent wins at Purdue and Nebraska, two top ten teams. Will be a third away win against a top ten team tonight if they pull it off. They are hammering lower teams and a metrics darling. 100% they jump us if they win. We haven’t beaten a ranked team since Nov.
 
RuffRuff said:
Many reasons - as in recent wins at Purdue and Nebraska, two top ten teams. Will be a third away win against a top ten team tonight if they pull it off. They are hammering lower teams and a metrics darling. 100% they jump us if they win. We haven’t beaten a ranked team since Nov.
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Well Purdue is actually 12 behind Kansas, but Illinois has a couple losses to unranked teams as well.

The logic just doesn't make much sense to me.
 
RuffRuff said:
Many reasons - as in recent wins at Purdue and Nebraska, two top ten teams. Will be a third away win against a top ten team tonight if they pull it off. They are hammering lower teams and a metrics darling. 100% they jump us if they win. We haven’t beaten a ranked team since Nov.
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Seton Hall was ranked when we beat them btw. If your point was current ranked teams, then Nova will be ranked soon.
 
upstater said:
Why Illinois?

It makes no sense.

More losses and head-to-head.
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Polls are closer to power rankings (current form and latest to lose), not resume rankings. 3 away top 10 wins in the last 2 weeks. Assuming they win at Mich St, slight lead right now.
 
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upstater said:
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Who would you put ahead of us?

Michigan and Duke.

That takes us to #4.

Illinois is next, they have one more loss, and UConn handled them with ease.
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with Duke and Illinois losing, we go to 5 - AZ, MIch, Gonz, Duke, UConn
 
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