AP Poll: UConn drops out

[champs99and04]

It means Uconn beat the number 15 team in the country. Not the number 1. That's how it works. If Florida finishes the season ranked number 1, bracketologists are not going to say "uconn beat the number 1 team." They will say "uconn beat the number 15 team." And also, like many posters have stated, polls are done week to week. If each week, polls were done based on complete body of work, then for example, Memphis woud be a 10-15 team. Wins over a #6, #12, and #25 with no losses outside the top 30. But that's not how it works. On selection Sunday, complete body of work will be looked at, but polls are week to week. Well, unless you're a blue blood. Then you get a little special treatment.

Yeah, you're way off on this one. The committee uses RPI/BPI as their barometer. Just like it now no longer matters that we beat #26 Indiana earlier in the year, the fact that Florida was #15 when we beat them is also irrelevant. The committee views UConn as a team that beat the #3 RPI, #2 BPI, and #1 ranked team in the country. Why people continue to de-value the Florida win, I have no idea. We can acknowledge that UConn has been frustratingly inconsistent since then while also realizing that it was one of the best wins of the season, for any team. They've won freaking 19 straight since that game, with wins over Kansas, Memphis, and Kentucky. Comparing it to Memphis beating Oklahoma State is laughable.

 

[sammydabiz]

Gotta defend home court against a team ranked lower than you. No excuse.

 

[J187Money]

This board really is confusing. Yesterday we all bitch about the team and how we can't play defense and how bad our offense is. Some think the SMU loss is the end of the world and we have serious problems on both ends of the floor.

Then today we're bitching about not being ranked after getting throbbed at home, to an unranked SMU team. Unreal. This team doesn't belong in the top 25 after that loss.

Gotta love the BY - we should be ranked in the top 25 and we should be afraid of USF on the road.

 

[HuskyHawk]

I mean, if you guys are just going to say nutty things as though I said them, then what's the point?

I exaggerated your point, which I think overweighted that win. As for Memphis, they beat OSU (ranked high at the time), Louisville, and Gonzaga. We beat Florida, Memphis and Memphis. But their losses are better, including to Florida by 2. I can't treat that three point variation against Florida as if it is evidence of some great disparity between the teams.

My guess is that Memphis is more consistent and their worst is better than UConn's worst, and UConn 's best is better than Memphis' best.

As to rankings, many of the voters have eyes, and appropriately discount close wins by UConn over BC, Maryland and Indiana. Any of those could have been losses.

 

[Tenspro2002]

It means Uconn beat the number 15 team in the country. Not the number 1. That's how it works. If Florida finishes the season ranked number 1, bracketologists are not going to say "uconn beat the number 1 team." They will say "uconn beat the number 15 team." And also, like many posters have stated, polls are done week to week. If each week, polls were done based on complete body of work, then for example, Memphis woud be a 10-15 team. Wins over a #6, #12, and #25 with no losses outside the top 30. But that's not how it works. On selection Sunday, complete body of work will be looked at, but polls are week to week. Well, unless you're a blue blood. Then you get a little special treatment.

You're right that the polls are done week to week, and when we beat Florida at the time, we got credit for beating a team that was #15 on December 5, not a team that was #1 on February 24. That's how the polls work. So be it.

However, you're dead wrong that when the Committee gets together, they're going to downplay our having beaten Florida because they were only #15 at the time. They are a top-5 team no matter how you slice it -- polls, RPI, whatever -- and we will be given credit for that. That's how Tournament selection works.

 

[ATLDYKA]

Y'all given me a headache with this back and forth nonsense.

 

[upstater]

I exaggerated your point, which I think overweighted that win. As for Memphis, they beat OSU (ranked high at the time), Louisville, and Gonzaga. We beat Florida, Memphis and Memphis. But their losses are better, including to Florida by 2. I can't treat that three point variation against Florida as if it is evidence of some great disparity between the teams.

My guess is that Memphis is more consistent and their worst is better than UConn's worst, and UConn 's best is better than Memphis' best.

As to rankings, many of the voters have eyes, and appropriately discount close wins by UConn over BC, Maryland and Indiana. Any of those could have been losses.

So, in future years, let's play chumps. So no one discounts our close wins. Have you looked at Memphis's schedule?

 

[BoatShow]

If we can't handle USF away from home we have much bigger problems than dropping out of the top 25

Whose to say we don't have much bigger problem at this point? After the last two games it feels like the boys are just pleased with their two wins over Memphis and are content to coast.

 

[Scot-e]

I just hope the big (Govan 2015) that was at the game does not go elsewhere after watching that hot steamy pile. An impressive victory could have locked him in- other then that it simply was a bad game- that's all.

 

[CTBasketball]

I just hope the big (Govan 2015) that was at the game does not go elsewhere after watching that hot steamy pile. An impressive victory could have locked him in- other then that it simply was a bad game- that's all.

Yeah that was one of the most frustrating reasons why we lost. Had a chance to lock up a good big man recruit and we embarrass ourselves.

 

[kobe]

Yeah, you're way off on this one. The committee uses RPI/BPI as their barometer. Just like it now no longer matters that we beat #26 Indiana earlier in the year, the fact that Florida was #15 when we beat them is also irrelevant. The committee views UConn as a team that beat the #3 RPI, #2 BPI, and #1 ranked team in the country. Why people continue to de-value the Florida win, I have no idea. We can acknowledge that UConn has been frustratingly inconsistent since then while also realizing that it was one of the best wins of the season, for any team. They've won freaking 19 straight since that game, with wins over Kansas, Memphis, and Kentucky. Comparing it to Memphis beating Oklahoma State is laughable.

Wasn't Florida missing some key guys in that game? The BPI takes that into account but the RPI does not...

 

[mauconnfan]

Wasn't Florida missing some key guys in that game? The BPI takes that into account but the RPI does not...

No, same guys that have been out. Wilbekin got hurt with 2 minutes left but all were playing

 

[James]

Wasn't Florida missing some key guys in that game? The BPI takes that into account but the RPI does not...

no

 

[White Dwarf]

Fair ranking.

 

[kobe]

No, same guys that have been out. Wilbekin got hurt with 2 minutes left but all were playing

Ah, never mind. Don't know why I thought that.

 

[mauconnfan]

Home game vs a team outside the Top 25 at the time, you lose and deserve to be on the outside looking in……..

Next………..just win and this crap takes care of itself……...

 

[Walker11]

Ah, never mind. Don't know why I thought that.

They were missing Kasey Hill, their backup PG (and obviously Chris Walker) and Scottie Wilbekin twisted his ankle and was out the last 3 minutes. Wilbekin may not have been a huge loss offensively as UF scored every possession the rest of the game but he's also one of the best defensive guards in the country, something we do like to forget when explaining his absence. Big factor? Who knows.

 

[mauconnfan]

They were missing Kasey Hill, their backup PG (and obviously Chris Walker) and Scottie Wilbekin twisted his ankle and was out the last 3 minutes. Wilbekin may not have been a huge loss offensively as UF scored every possession the rest of the game but he's also one of the best defensive guards in the country, something we do like to forget when explaining his absence. Big factor? Who knows.

Actually they also played a high half court trap 1-3-1 zone when Wilbekin went out and we couldn't get a good shot…….I mean Wilbekin is real good but they played their best basketball the last 3 minutes and had a chance!

 

[SirHypeAlot]

Couldn't be happier we dropped out of the top 25. This team has laid some serious eggs this year. At the beginning of the season we snuck by, but I hope this game, which we should 100% have won, wakes them the duck up.

 

[Walker11]

Actually they also played a high half court trap 1-3-1 zone when Wilbekin went out and we couldn't get a good shot…….I mean Wilbekin is real good but they played their best basketball the last 3 minutes and had a chance!

I agree and I personally believe we win either way considering how they performed down the stretch but I wanted to give an honest response to kobe.

 

[Huskygamble19]

My point is, let's hope the players aren't crying about not being ranked and thinking ahead to a Cinci game when they have to go to South Florida and beat a team that has had their number in the past. Wilder things have happened ... they need to bounce back strong.

They better not be whining about not being ranked. they played a terrible game at home against SMU and didn't look very impressive against temple either (despite winning). they should be concentrating on winning the next game and leave the rankings to the Uh...experts?

 

[DogMania]

No way should UConn have been dropped, what 5 spots and out of the top 25. Based on the following data these teams should have checked in as follows: Memphis 21, SMU 22 and UConn 24 or 25. I have no problems with SMU jumping back into the top 25 and over UConn and a few other teams. UCLA and the Zags were bounced from the top 25 deservedly, but to vote New Mexico in and keep Texas (granted two tough road losses to ranked teams) over UConn, again shows prejudice IMO.

Here's how SMU, Mempis and UConn stack up against one another:

SMU: (RPI-37) 22-6
Against one another: 3-0 against UConn (2-0) and Memphis* (1-0)
Record against other common AAC ranked opponents: UL (0-1), Cinci* (1-1)
Other top 25: UVA (0-1) who's now #12
Unranked and/or Bad Losses: at ARK, USF & Temple
*Against top 25 in Feb: 3-0 with Ws over Memphis, Cinci & UConn.

Memphis: (RPI-36) 20-6
Against one another: 0-3 against UConn* (0-2) and SMU* (0-1)
Record against other common AAC ranked opponents: UL (1-0), Cinci* (0-1)
Other Top 25: OKST (1-1), Zags* (1-0), UF (0-1) ranked #1 and a common top 25 opponent w/ UConn
Unranked and/or Bad Losses: None
*Against top 25 in Feb: 1-2 with two of those losses against UConn & SMU.

UConn: (RPI-30) 22-6
Against one another: 2-2 against Memphis (2-0) and SMU (0-2)
Record against other common ranked opponents: UL (0-1) and UC (0-1)
Other Top 25: UF (1-0) ranked #1 now though weren't at full strength when we beat them at home.
Unranked and/or Stanford, at Houston,
*Against top 25 in Feb: 1-2 with the W over Memphis and the Ls against SMU & UC.

Clearly the voters didn't do their homework.

Granted Memphis does not have any WTF losses like UConn and SMU have, but they lost to UConn and SMU this month, are 0-3 head-to-head with those two teams, and their only other quality win this month was against the Zags. Even though they went 2-0 last week, those Ws were against AAC bottom feeders RU & Temple. How they went up one spot to 21 is beyond me.

As for UConn, we did go 1-2 head-to-head this month, though just beat Memphis for the 2nd time the week-before-last. We have a couple WTF losses this season, which seems to continue to be weighted heavily against us still. And of course we just lost yesterday to a surging SMU, which IM deserves to be ranked and is a surprisingly very good team.

SMU - If not for two WTF losses relatively recently, at USF on 1/28 & at Temple on 2/16, the case for a higher ranking that the other two programs would be a no-brainer. I'm sure the voters noticed the recent Ws against Memphis, Cinci & UConn, making it an easy case to move them back into the top 25.

We're still in striking distance of the top 25. If we take care of business, winning at USF and then hold court and beat UC, something we couldn't do against SMU, we'll be right back into the top 25 next week.

 

[gtcam]

WSU also got to the final four last year, with a team that isn't as good as this one. Experience is very undervalued in the college game. Yes, they have close games...and won them all. They also have to keep focus against that weaker schedule, that doesn't mean they can't raise their game when needed.

WSU, because of their record, deserves where they are, However, last year they snuck up on everyone and really had nothing to lose in the dance. This year, if they continue as is, they go into the dance a #1 seed and with all the pressure and that big bullseye on their back. The question is, will they handle that type of attention and pressure. They aren't feeling it now because of their league and lack of real competition. I am not sure, but if memory serves me correct, I also think they have the luxury of having many seniors and juniors on the team.
Again, they are undefeated-a hard thing to do but I need to see what they do with the pressure.

 

[AZHuskiePop]

They were missing Kasey Hill, their backup PG (and obviously Chris Walker) and Scottie Wilbekin twisted his ankle and was out the last 3 minutes. Wilbekin may not have been a huge loss offensively as UF scored every possession the rest of the game but he's also one of the best defensive guards in the country, something we do like to forget when explaining his absence. Big factor? Who knows.

We played OC about 30 minutes bs Kromah 10
We had two freshman centers that had limited experience when we played.and got pushed around.
Play your silly games bottom line we won they lost.
Our starting team has changed as much if not more since the that game.

 

[upstater]

No way should UConn have been dropped, what 5 spots and out of the top 25. Based on the following data these teams should have checked in as follows: Memphis 21, SMU 22 and UConn 24 or 25. I have no problems with SMU jumping back into the top 25 and over UConn and a few other teams. UCLA and the Zags were bounced from the top 25 deservedly, but to vote New Mexico in and keep Texas (granted two tough road losses to ranked teams) over UConn, again shows prejudice IMO.

Here's how SMU, Mempis and UConn stack up against one another:

SMU: (RPI-37) 22-6
Against one another: 3-0 against UConn (2-0) and Memphis* (1-0)
Record against other common AAC ranked opponents: UL (0-1), Cinci* (1-1)
Other top 25: UVA (0-1) who's now #12
Unranked and/or Bad Losses: at ARK, USF & Temple
*Against top 25 in Feb: 3-0 with Ws over Memphis, Cinci & UConn.

Memphis: (RPI-36) 20-6
Against one another: 0-3 against UConn* (0-2) and SMU* (0-1)
Record against other common AAC ranked opponents: UL (0-1), Cinci* (0-1)
Other Top 25: OKST (1-1), Zags* (1-0), UF (0-1) ranked #1 and a common top 25 opponent w/ UConn
Unranked and/or Bad Losses: None
*Against top 25 in Feb: 1-2 with two of those losses against UConn & SMU.

UConn: (RPI-30) 22-6
Against one another: 2-2 against Memphis (2-0) and SMU (0-2)
Record against other common ranked opponents: UL (0-1) and UC (0-1)
Other Top 25: UF (1-0) ranked #1 now though weren't at full strength when we beat them at home.
Unranked and/or Stanford, at Houston,
*Against top 25 in Feb: 1-2 with the W over Memphis and the Ls against SMU & UC.

Clearly the voters didn't do their homework.

Granted Memphis does not have any WTF losses like UConn and SMU have, but they lost to UConn and SMU this month, are 0-3 head-to-head with those two teams, and their only other quality win this month was against the Zags. Even though they went 2-0 last week, those Ws were against AAC bottom feeders RU & Temple. How they went up one spot to 21 is beyond me.

As for UConn, we did go 1-2 head-to-head this month, though just beat Memphis for the 2nd time the week-before-last. We have a couple WTF losses this season, which seems to continue to be weighted heavily against us still. And of course we just lost yesterday to a surging SMU, which IM deserves to be ranked and is a surprisingly very good team.

SMU - If not for two WTF losses relatively recently, at USF on 1/28 & at Temple on 2/16, the case for a higher ranking that the other two programs would be a no-brainer. I'm sure the voters noticed the recent Ws against Memphis, Cinci & UConn, making it an easy case to move them back into the top 25.

We're still in striking distance of the top 25. If we take care of business, winning at USF and then hold court and beat UC, something we couldn't do against SMU, we'll be right back into the top 25 next week.

Agree with 99% of this. I wouldn't only add the loss to Stanford was bad because they had a 10 point lead at home. Stanford, however, has done decently since then and may even end up ranked the way they are going. They are in 3rd place in the Pac12.