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upstater said:
This is the most whiny, pissy board I can possibly imagine. A loss and everyone rushes to downgrade every single thing to do with the program. Even the win over Florida is now meaningless.

My god.

Shabazz Napier sucks, by the way. Remember that one?
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Come one. We beat Florida, on an amazing last second shot. We played lousy against Stanford. We beat Memphis in Memphis. We lost to Houston on the road. We blew CFU away like a kindergarten team. We lost a home game yesterday to SMU.

Can we at the very least admit that this UConn team is wildly inconsistent? I sure don't know which team will show up game to game. Good UConn is probably top 15. Bad UConn would be NIT bound. Florida lost by one on the road to Good UConn. They'd beat Bad UConn like a drum.
 
upstater said:
Realistic? Like in the chat yesterday?
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I said nothing other than "nice pass Giff" or "Kromah needs to hit the bench" or maybe a "Boat c'mon finish that."

I'm not really sure what you're implying.
 
probably for the best. this team plays better with a chip on its shoulder. if they want the little number back next to their name then they have a perfectly good chance to earn it this week.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Come one. We beat Florida, on an amazing last second shot. We played lousy against Stanford. We beat Memphis in Memphis. We lost to Houston on the road. We blew CFU away like a kindergarten team. We lost a home game yesterday to SMU.

Can we at the very least admit that this UConn team is wildly inconsistent? I sure don't know which team will show up game to game. Good UConn is probably top 15. Bad UConn would be NIT bound. Florida lost by one on the road to Good UConn. They'd beat Bad UConn like a drum.
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Come on what? What is your argument here? Every team loses games.
 
upstater said:
You look at the body of work. Lots of teams lose and don't move much for precisely these reasons. This is why there are 7 loss teams in the top 25.

Memphis is actually a good example. They dropped 2 slots last week. As did Ohio State after a loss on home court. If you look at the polls, it happens regularly that a team goes 1-1 and drops a slot or two. Heck, 7-loss Iowa lost at home to Ohio st. 2 weeks ago, and they moved UP!
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Memphis lost on the road to a ranked team and OSU lost to the #15 team.

The three teams that entered this week were NM, who beat the #6 team, SMU, who beat us twice, and UNC, who beat the #5 team and went 3-0 this week. Hard to argue they should not jump us.

I agree we should be ranked ahead of Memphis based on the head to head but it is impossible to do a top 25 based on head to heads. There was no way Memphis was moving down just so they could still be ranked behind us.
 
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upstater said:
Come on what? What is your argument here? Every team loses games.
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I don't understand why you think we deserve so much respect, but I really do hope that you see something I do not. This team has proven that it can beat top teams no question, but has also proven to be very inconsistent which is not a good quality to have. Besides the two wins against Memphis we have not beaten a good team since Florida on December 2nd. If that does not scare you I don't know what will...we need to handle business against Cincy on Saturday and show what we are capable of. Sweeping Memphis is all well and good but we match up very well against them and they are not an elite team at the moment.
 
upstater said:
Come on what? What is your argument here? Every team loses games.
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The board isn't being whiny or pissy, or forgetting the Florida win. But nor can we say, we beat Florida, they are #1, so we are #1A. That's nonsense. Most teams lose games (Wichita State hasn't), but how they lose maters.

Our losses aren't good ones at this point. UL is good, but losing to them at home by 12? Bad loss. SMU at home? Bad loss. Houston on the road, atrociously bad loss. Stanford, bad loss. Cinci road with DD out...good loss. SMU road, not terrible. Look at Memphis, their losses are better than ours, and they are still ranked.
 
upstater said:
What does this even mean?

Everyone knows Florida is #1 and has two losses this year. One to UConn and one to Wisconsin. Absolutely no one remembers what Florida's rank was when UConn played them. No one.
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It means Uconn beat the number 15 team in the country. Not the number 1. That's how it works. If Florida finishes the season ranked number 1, bracketologists are not going to say "uconn beat the number 1 team." They will say "uconn beat the number 15 team." And also, like many posters have stated, polls are done week to week. If each week, polls were done based on complete body of work, then for example, Memphis woud be a 10-15 team. Wins over a #6, #12, and #25 with no losses outside the top 30. But that's not how it works. On selection Sunday, complete body of work will be looked at, but polls are week to week. Well, unless you're a blue blood. Then you get a little special treatment.
 
BlueAndGray said:
It means Uconn beat the number 15 team in the country. Not the number 1. That's how it works.
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Baloney.
Florida was unrecognized as a great team this year early on. Their early, low ranking was only applied because they hadn't had a chance to prove themselves. It happens every year.
It is completely silly to say that beating them when their talent was unrecognized by the national pollsters is somehow equivalent to beating a team that was not a top ten team. They were a top ten team, they just hadn't been ranked in the top ten yet.
Isn't that obvious?
 
Matt1010 said:
I don't understand why you think we deserve so much respect, but I really do hope that you see something I do not. This team has proven that it can beat top teams no question, but has also proven to be very inconsistent which is not a good quality to have. Besides the two wins against Memphis we have not beaten a good team since Florida on December 2nd. If that does not scare you I don't know what will...we need to handle business against Cincy on Saturday and show what we are capable of. Sweeping Memphis is all well and good but we match up very well against them and they are not an elite team at the moment.
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I didn't say everyone should bow down to UConn. I said it should be ahead of Memphis based on wins, record, OOC games, etc. I mean, you wrote they are not an elite team, but they are ahead of UConn, based on what... nobody knows.
 
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BlueAndGray said:
It means Uconn beat the number 15 team in the country. Not the number 1. That's how it works. If Florida finishes the season ranked number 1, bracketologists are not going to say "uconn beat the number 1 team." They will say "uconn beat the number 15 team." And also, like many posters have stated, polls are done week to week. If each week, polls were done based on complete body of work, then for example, Memphis woud be a 10-15 team. Wins over a #6, #12, and #25 with no losses outside the top 30. But that's not how it works. On selection Sunday, complete body of work will be looked at, but polls are week to week. Well, unless you're a blue blood. Then you get a little special treatment.
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Everyone and their mother beat a #5 Oklahoma St this year. Nobody cares.

Just like UConn beat #1 Texas a couple years ago. A Texas team that ended up unranked.

There is a huge difference between beating teams that are currently good compared to beating teams that used to be good.
 
HuskyHawk said:
The board isn't being whiny or pissy, or forgetting the Florida win. But nor can we say, we beat Florida, they are #1, so we are #1A. That's nonsense. Most teams lose games (Wichita State hasn't), but how they lose maters.

Sigh. Strawman. No one said we are #1A. What is wrong with you people?

Our losses aren't good ones at this point. UL is good, but losing to them at home by 12? Bad loss. SMU at home? Bad loss. Houston on the road, atrociously bad loss. Stanford, bad loss. Cinci road with DD out...good loss. SMU road, not terrible. Look at Memphis, their losses are better than ours, and they are still ranked.
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I mean, if you guys are just going to say nutty things as though I said them, then what's the point?
 
We haven't beaten a good team since Florida ? Memphis is in the top25. Not counting those wins isn't really fair, unless you're suggesting Memphis isn't even good. (They are)
 
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BlueAndGray said:
It means Uconn beat the number 15 team in the country. Not the number 1. That's how it works. If Florida finishes the season ranked number 1, bracketologists are not going to say "uconn beat the number 1 team." They will say "uconn beat the number 15 team." And also, like many posters have stated, polls are done week to week. If each week, polls were done based on complete body of work, then for example, Memphis woud be a 10-15 team. Wins over a #6, #12, and #25 with no losses outside the top 30. But that's not how it works. On selection Sunday, complete body of work will be looked at, but polls are week to week. Well, unless you're a blue blood. Then you get a little special treatment.
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Yeah, you're way off on this one. The committee uses RPI/BPI as their barometer. Just like it now no longer matters that we beat #26 Indiana earlier in the year, the fact that Florida was #15 when we beat them is also irrelevant. The committee views UConn as a team that beat the #3 RPI, #2 BPI, and #1 ranked team in the country. Why people continue to de-value the Florida win, I have no idea. We can acknowledge that UConn has been frustratingly inconsistent since then while also realizing that it was one of the best wins of the season, for any team. They've won freaking 19 straight since that game, with wins over Kansas, Memphis, and Kentucky. Comparing it to Memphis beating Oklahoma State is laughable.
 
CTBasketball said:
This board really is confusing. Yesterday we all bitch about the team and how we can't play defense and how bad our offense is. Some think the SMU loss is the end of the world and we have serious problems on both ends of the floor.

Then today we're bitching about not being ranked after getting throbbed at home, to an unranked SMU team. Unreal. This team doesn't belong in the top 25 after that loss.
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Gotta love the BY - we should be ranked in the top 25 and we should be afraid of USF on the road. :)
 
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upstater said:
I mean, if you guys are just going to say nutty things as though I said them, then what's the point?
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I exaggerated your point, which I think overweighted that win. As for Memphis, they beat OSU (ranked high at the time), Louisville, and Gonzaga. We beat Florida, Memphis and Memphis. But their losses are better, including to Florida by 2. I can't treat that three point variation against Florida as if it is evidence of some great disparity between the teams.

My guess is that Memphis is more consistent and their worst is better than UConn's worst, and UConn 's best is better than Memphis' best.

As to rankings, many of the voters have eyes, and appropriately discount close wins by UConn over BC, Maryland and Indiana. Any of those could have been losses.
 
BlueAndGray said:
It means Uconn beat the number 15 team in the country. Not the number 1. That's how it works. If Florida finishes the season ranked number 1, bracketologists are not going to say "uconn beat the number 1 team." They will say "uconn beat the number 15 team." And also, like many posters have stated, polls are done week to week. If each week, polls were done based on complete body of work, then for example, Memphis woud be a 10-15 team. Wins over a #6, #12, and #25 with no losses outside the top 30. But that's not how it works. On selection Sunday, complete body of work will be looked at, but polls are week to week. Well, unless you're a blue blood. Then you get a little special treatment.
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You're right that the polls are done week to week, and when we beat Florida at the time, we got credit for beating a team that was #15 on December 5, not a team that was #1 on February 24. That's how the polls work. So be it.

However, you're dead wrong that when the Committee gets together, they're going to downplay our having beaten Florida because they were only #15 at the time. They are a top-5 team no matter how you slice it -- polls, RPI, whatever -- and we will be given credit for that. That's how Tournament selection works.
 
Y'all given me a headache with this back and forth nonsense.
 
HuskyHawk said:
I exaggerated your point, which I think overweighted that win. As for Memphis, they beat OSU (ranked high at the time), Louisville, and Gonzaga. We beat Florida, Memphis and Memphis. But their losses are better, including to Florida by 2. I can't treat that three point variation against Florida as if it is evidence of some great disparity between the teams.

My guess is that Memphis is more consistent and their worst is better than UConn's worst, and UConn 's best is better than Memphis' best.

As to rankings, many of the voters have eyes, and appropriately discount close wins by UConn over BC, Maryland and Indiana. Any of those could have been losses.
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So, in future years, let's play chumps. So no one discounts our close wins. Have you looked at Memphis's schedule?
 
Matt1010 said:
If we can't handle USF away from home we have much bigger problems than dropping out of the top 25
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Whose to say we don't have much bigger problem at this point? After the last two games it feels like the boys are just pleased with their two wins over Memphis and are content to coast.
 
I just hope the big (Govan 2015) that was at the game does not go elsewhere after watching that hot steamy pile. An impressive victory could have locked him in- other then that it simply was a bad game- that's all.
 
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Scot-e said:
I just hope the big (Govan 2015) that was at the game does not go elsewhere after watching that hot steamy pile. An impressive victory could have locked him in- other then that it simply was a bad game- that's all.
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Yeah that was one of the most frustrating reasons why we lost. Had a chance to lock up a good big man recruit and we embarrass ourselves.
 
champs99and04 said:
Yeah, you're way off on this one. The committee uses RPI/BPI as their barometer. Just like it now no longer matters that we beat #26 Indiana earlier in the year, the fact that Florida was #15 when we beat them is also irrelevant. The committee views UConn as a team that beat the #3 RPI, #2 BPI, and #1 ranked team in the country. Why people continue to de-value the Florida win, I have no idea. We can acknowledge that UConn has been frustratingly inconsistent since then while also realizing that it was one of the best wins of the season, for any team. They've won freaking 19 straight since that game, with wins over Kansas, Memphis, and Kentucky. Comparing it to Memphis beating Oklahoma State is laughable.
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Wasn't Florida missing some key guys in that game? The BPI takes that into account but the RPI does not...
 
kobe said:
Wasn't Florida missing some key guys in that game? The BPI takes that into account but the RPI does not...
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No, same guys that have been out. Wilbekin got hurt with 2 minutes left but all were playing
 
mauconnfan said:
No, same guys that have been out. Wilbekin got hurt with 2 minutes left but all were playing
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Ah, never mind. Don't know why I thought that.
 
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