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If you liked what you saw for the first 25 or 30 minutes you were watching something else. Poorly prepared, not motivated, poor game plan.

But you have to like the adjustments, change in game plan (stopped feading TO), change in personnel (Niels), and change in motivation.

Now I want to see a better prepared and motivated team taking the floor on Thursday.
 
Stopped feeding TO? Change in personnel(Niels)? What game did you watch? TO got fed in the 2nd half and he actually made his shots this time around. Niels played a ton in the 1st half , in the 2nd half he actually decided to shoot instead of pump fake his way out of wide open jumpers. This is what I'm talking about in terms of the criticism of KO, if guys actually make their wide open shots, it's a completely different game and they have a lead. How many wide open jumpers did DeAndre brick? That's the difference b/w being lethargic and down at the half, compared to having a lead. The gameplan clearly was to get other guys going in the 1st half, they didn't get going and the team trailed.

jleves said:
If you liked what you saw for the first 25 or 30 minutes you were watching something else. Poorly prepared, not motivated, poor game plan.

But you have to like the adjustments, change in game plan (stopped feading TO), change in personnel (Niels), and change in motivation.

Now I want to see a better prepared and motivated team taking the floor on Thursday.
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upstater said:
And you said this place is a s___hole, but now you're saying a guy who played PG in the NCAA for 13 years should take advice here.
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I wasn't serious, dude. NM is a better team which is why they beat us, relax.

When did I say this place is a shit hole?
 
Here is the problem people, I'm not sure anyone can recognize any offense because they don't have the people to make the plays. Bazz and Boat are kinda it.........DD has trouble keeping the ball as he's not strong enough - TO shot it too much and suddenly is dribbling between defenders and he is supposed to be passing to cutters - Omar for now is an awful passer and restricted to jump shooting - Giff needs to gain confidence and make plays......Boats decisions have not been good but I expect him to get better, seems to have lost confidence penetrating and certainly shooting it.......Bazz has been fine!

All in all not enough playermakers, passers to run smooth sets with any consistency. And the IQ of the team for now looks very low as far as natural flow of the game. It's going to be real painful people when the likes of Louisville take our guards out like they can, be prepared!!!
 
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I'm not really that concerned with feeding TO early. He's the closest thing we have to post offense - give him some touches, get him into the game, get his energy level up. Maybe he can at least be a threat enough to keep defenders honest. Years ago, the guard-dominated Bad Boy Pistons used to dump the ball in to James Edwards (he of the all-mustache team) on the first five or six possessions. They didn't want him to sort of mentally check out. Of course, he usually made a bunch of those shots, so it made the strategy more sensible.

Plus, TO is in for a long season of battling Big East frontcourts by himself - giving him some Stony Brook touches is a way of saying thanks ahead of time.

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aceboon said:
Stopped feeding TO? Change in personnel(Niels)? What game did you watch? TO got fed in the 2nd half and he actually made his shots this time around. Niels played a ton in the 1st half , in the 2nd half he actually decided to shoot instead of pump fake his way out of wide open jumpers. This is what I'm talking about in terms of the criticism of KO, if guys actually make their wide open shots, it's a completely different game and they have a lead. How many wide open jumpers did DeAndre brick? That's the difference b/w being lethargic and down at the half, compared to having a lead. The gameplan clearly was to get other guys going in the 1st half, they didn't get going and the team trailed.
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I didn't say by half - I said after 25 or 30 minutes. They fed TO the first 4 trips of the 2nd half, he made two, then got swatted and finally passed out on the 4th and in the process didn't really make up much ground. After they, they stayed on the perimeter exclusively actually passing the ball and taking open threes. They scored on 5 or 6 straight three point shots. Obviously a change in strategy. Getting Niels to finally start shooting is all on Ollie and one of the coaching moves he made to change things. I'm actually complimenting him here. The adjustments were great. The prep and motivation early sucked.
 
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Breakdown of season so far:

Bazz playing similar last year but with less talent. Up/down, confident/lacking, unselfish/ selfish. When he is on he can pull up from anywhere hit threes. That allows him then to penetrate and score. Struggles getting others involved. When he is playing off guard he stands around doesn't move off screens or tries to free himself. Has the talent to be one of the best guards in college basketball if he could only stay focused.

Boatwright is pressing. The talk of NBA has hurt his game. He is missing shots badly that he made last year. He is making bad decisions with the ball. Over penetrating and getting strip. He needs to! realize that at 5'10" he is not going to over power or out leap everyone. When and if he makes the NBA he will need to be a quality shooter be able to penetrate and dish.

DD is all right hand off the dribble. Dribble is weak and seems like he could be a good shooter but doesn't get is legs under him to go up strong.

TO all left hand has to play center for us but his game is soft power forward.

Calhoun is a freshman playing like one. Not a good passer yet. Gets lost on D but fearless and not scared to put up a shot.

This afternoon there were times our leaders gave up on plays. Boat and Bazz must have a great DB's mentality. Chase to the end of the play and forget quickly. Neither has shown this yet.
Some of you might think I'm getting down on this team but all this is is what I've seen. Love these guys. These are the guys who stayed.

We're going to win some games we shouldn't and lose some games they shouldn't
IMO no one so far is NBA talent next year.
 
Gee it's fun to see every play analyzed. Here is a team that lost 3 front court players plus their best offensive player all of whom could've returned. The team has been away from home almost the whole time since the season began. They pulled one upset and have had uneven play,not that surprising, and are likely to take more lumps. They are depending on scoring from kids who haven't been in that position before and have a new coach. We have lost Evans for a while and he looks like a contributor. I think we are getting as good or even better than we had a right to expect and if kids like Danirls and Calhouin adjust maybe we pull more surprises.
 
cohenzone said:
Gee it's fun to see every play analyzed. Here is a team that lost 3 front court players plus their best offensive player all of whom could've returned.
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Four, if you count Bradley.

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Gurleyman said:
Four, if you count Bradley.

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Yeah. But I'm talking about guys who not only contributed but who would all probably started this year with RS the only possible non-starter.
 
cohenzone said:
Yeah. But I'm talking about guys who not only contributed but who would all probably started this year with RS the only possible non-starter.
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Yeah, it is sort of 4 with an asterisk, since we didn't really lose a player who never played. Just in the sense that he would have been getting some PT now if he stuck around.

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I'm seeing a lot of what I've seen in the last few years. While I was not for giving Ollie a 34 year deal from jump, I also am not going to judge him on a few games. There is a lot of work to be done.
 
Revrat said:
You like that offense? How bout that rebounding? I'm not calling for anyone's head but these kids look lost. And they have looked that way since MSU. I am sitting here watching Olander and Wolf take all our shots and our kids getting beat for every free ball. It's not UCONN basketball that's for sure.

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tell me what other bigs we have? ao bradley and roscoe transferred, drummond and lamb went to the draft, ollie was given a depleted roster and a 7 month contract and is doing great with what he has... if all we do is rely on our guards then we will get smashed come big east play, the bigs have to get a lot of touches and shots in order to improve
 
I didn't get to watch the game yesterday but I listened to it on the internet, so I don't have the advantage some of you had but this is what I heard. Kevin Ollie started off the game trying to run plays for the front court players. The correct strategy in my opinion. If this team is going to improve, the front court has to get better. Unfortunately, the front court is still learning so the results were not good yesterday. Also, it "sounded" like the guards (Boatright and Napier) were frustrated. If their frustration is showing on the court this is a problem that Ollie has to address and I am sure that he will.

I am a little surprised and disappointed at all of the negative comments. This is a young and inexperienced team that was missing two more players yesterday and they still won. They are 5-1 and ranked. Where's the love?
 
60'sfan said:
I didn't get to watch the game yesterday but I listened to it on the internet, so I don't have the advantage some of you had but this is what I heard. Kevin Ollie started off the game trying to run plays for the front court players. The correct strategy in my opinion. If this team is going to improve, the front court has to get better. Unfortunately, the front court is still learning so the results were not good yesterday. Also, it "sounded" like the guards (Boatright and Napier) were frustrated. If their frustration is showing on the court this is a problem that Ollie has to address and I am sure that he will.

I am a little surprised and disappointed at all of the negative comments. This is a young and inexperienced team that was missing two more players yesterday and they still won. They are 5-1 and ranked. Where's the love?
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I'm not sure they were frustrated. Tim Welsh tried to make it a story that wasn't there.
 
Revrat said:
I really wish they would wake up earlier.

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I'd like to see us use the December schedule to experiment with some form of extended defense to open the game. Maybe a half court trap. See if we can get the guards jump-started.

I'm concerned about our ability to go toe to toe in the Big East, and I'd like to see whether we can do more to weaponize our quickness.
 
fleudslipcon said:
I'm not sure they were frustrated. Tim Welsh tried to make it a story that wasn't there.
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Napier and Boatright were having a disagreement right before Napier was about to shoot a free throw (which he missed). The camera (great camera work, BTW) flashed to Ollie who was crouching on the sideline even with the free throw line looking directly at the exchange with a look on his face. It wasn't the type of thing that gets correct right away, but you could tell Ollie was giving him that look that said, "This is so wrong, so out of line, that I will keep silent during the course of this game, because this will take a long time to address."
 
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The expectations for this team are entirely too high. Our front court isn't NCAA tournament caliber and our backcourt while talented, consists mainly of three guys with little to no leadership experience. Need to stop thinking in terms of 2010/11 and think more like 1997 and 2008.


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fleudslipcon said:
I'm not sure they were frustrated. Tim Welsh tried to make it a story that wasn't there.
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I didn't see Welsh's comments. But there's something there. I'm don't know the extent, but it's greater than nothing.
 
Just out of curiosity, but does anyone else think Boatright looks noticeably slower/less explosive since he tweaked his leg versus MSU? Was that just adrenaline for the first 30 minutes of the season?

I think there are a few things going on:
  • Ollie trusts Napier a ton
  • Ollie is trying to build up the bigs confidence
  • Ollie is trying to build up other players confidence
  • Ollie is trying things out and seeing what is working with a largely untested group of players
Ollie is doing all of the above so the team can keep things close but try things out in the first half, and let the guards take over in the second half to win games. He's doing this to build the team for BE/future success, because they won't win a ton of games if the team can only rely on Napier/Boatright.
Or the team is just a mess and Ollie is a horrible coach.
I don't believe it's the later, because the team is 5-1. JMO
 
also they have traveled a ton and havent been home that much... i cant wait for the garden
 
People lighten up!!!!!!!!!!!. This team is as flawed as it can be with the personel they have. They have no interior defense and a pf withlimited skills but a big heart playing center. DD is long and rangy, but needs meat on his bones and a little shot of consistency. Calhoun is a talented frosh thrust on the big stage and needs a little seasoning. He should sit and watch the game for a few minutes and then come in. I would like to see NG in there to start and RJ the first sub. It is what it is folks, a throw away season with hopes that we can recruit a center and possibly keep everyone another year. As for timeouts, they are overated and Ollie needs to see what these guys are made of. He is not JC who needed to micro-manage all that went on. I think he is doing the best he can with the talent pool of players he has.
 
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