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I had to laugh when the guy listed our three "rivals" and BC wasn't mentioned once. They put Syracuse, Pitt, and ND as our three rivals? Not one mention of the fact that BC-UConn would be a renewed rivalry.

It's a real shame this all went down like it did. BC really screwed it. There really could have been something great between our two schools but they had to go and get all high and mighty and now we're stuck here screwed and they are basically the school the ACC wishes it could give back.....
 
UCFBfan said:
I had to laugh when the guy listed our three "rivals" and BC wasn't mentioned once. They put Syracuse, Pitt, and ND as our three rivals? Not one mention of the fact that BC-UConn would be a renewed rivalry.

It's a real shame this all went down like it did. BC really screwed it. There really could have been something great between our two schools but they had to go and get all high and mighty and now we're stuck here screwed and they are basically the school the ACC wishes it could give back.....
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We are playing them in Football this fall, so that's a start. The ACC really wants the NY market, and UCONN gives them that in men's and women's basketball and a reinvigorated Football program. An added bonus is with the renewed rivalry with BC the ACC gets not only the NY market but the entire Northeast corridor from NY to Boston. It will help the football programs of both schools in many ways, and will also help BC basketball which is a joke now. I can see New England and other northeastern recruits taking serious looks again at both UCONN and BC.
 
billybud said:
Of course. And I thought that the image of Volvo driving, blue voting, latte sipping, northeastrn hipsters was just a caricature.

Now, I do type this from my jacked up four wheel drive, spitting Red Man into a paper cup while listening to Waylon and Willie and thumping out SEC, SEC on the steering wheel.
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I'm a New England, Bernie Sanders voting, latte drinking , EV driving liberal, but if my employer didn't have free espresso drinks I'd make regular coffee at home or buy a lahge Dunkin' dahk roast, my EV is a Chevy and I have Willie Nelson's XM Sirius station on my presets.
 
junglehusky said:
I'm a New England, Bernie Sanders voting, latte drinking , EV driving liberal, but if my employer didn't have free espresso drinks I'd make regular coffee at home or buy a lahge Dunkin' dahk roast, my EV is a Chevy and I have Willie Nelson's XM Sirius station on my presets.
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Here in western North Carolina, we saw something that would be unheard of in Florida....the celebration of the middle school rifle team winning the district competition. Culture is different in the appalachians.

Across the border in Georgia we have the Mcaysville Drug and Guns...pistols and prozac. One stop shopping.

McCaysville Drug & Gun
 
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TerryD said:
ND's administration and fan base are aware of the playoff scenarios. Unless conference champs only becomes the playoff system, ND is ok with the current setup.
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The ND grads I work with say that most ND football fans are not all that interested in the football playoff. They would rather remain independent, even if it means no shot at the FB playoff. They would be just as happy going to a bowl game. So the chance of ND ever joining a conference is slim and none.
 
junglehusky said:
I'm a New England, Bernie Sanders voting, latte drinking , EV driving liberal, but if my employer didn't have free espresso drinks I'd make regular coffee at home or buy a lahge Dunkin' dahk roast, my EV is a Chevy and I have Willie Nelson's XM Sirius station on my presets.
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Me, I'm the exact opposite...My car is a F350 Supercab, coffee made at the office, Trump supporter and wife's car is an Excursion with a V10. My oldest son's car is being restored a Ford GranTorino ... No small cars here...the prices are $2.35 a gallon....
 
CTBballfan243 said:
The ND grads I work with say that most ND football fans are not all that interested in the football playoff. They would rather remain independent, even if it means no shot at the FB playoff. They would be just as happy going to a bowl game. So the chance of ND ever joining a conference is slim and none.
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I've never heard an ND fan say that. Most ND fans that I know say that they would only support joining a conference if it became apparent that joining a conference was the only way to make it into the FB playoff.
 
Irishfan said:
I've never heard an ND fan say that. Most ND fans that I know say that they would only support joining a conference if it became apparent that joining a conference was the only way to make it into the FB playoff.
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Yep, that is the stance among most people. Actually at least 90% I would say, minus the shut down the program (tiny) minority. We want to stay independent but not at all cost. But the good thing is that we are in a good position now and that is likely not to change in the short-term
 
HuskyDogArt said:
Me, I'm the exact opposite...My car is a F350 Supercab, coffee made at the office, Trump supporter and wife's car is an Excursion with a V10. My oldest son's car is being restored a Ford GranTorino ... No small cars here...the prices are $2.35 a gallon....
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You do realize the gas at half the stations in CT is lower than that right? You keep posting it like gas prices here are triple?

The last station I went past was $2.29.
 
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Fishy said:
Is there nothing that you will not argue?
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What is the argument?

A resident mouthbreather who constantly bashes CT wants to brag about his local gas prices which are the same or higher.

Is stupidity only allowed to be mocked when you are the one who does it?
 
UConn should hire that writer. He made a better pitch than I have ever heard a UConn official make.
 
ZooCougar said:
UConn should hire that writer. He made a better pitch than I have ever heard a UConn official make.
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I agree, but I think he could have hammered West Virginia much more on it's terrible academic reputation. Even Cinncinatti is questionable along those lines. The ACC already has one academic embarrassment in Louisville what with accreditation issues and hooker parties for recruits. I don't think they want another one. I think the ACC might even take UCONN now and fit them into the league somehow before the Big Ten does, wait out Notre Dame and start building on the NY to Boston corridor market.
 
Hypothetical:

UConn football over the next four years goes:
17: 5-7
18: 7-6
19: 8-5
20: 9-4

UConn basketball over the next four years goes:
17: 20-10
18: 23-7
19: 22-8
20: 23-7

Football ticket sales boost up after Edsall's first season, and still bringing in more revenue than any other GO5 school by a mile.

At this point, when our football team is consistent four a long stretch, and basketball turns around back to usual, would this almost guarantee to be out of the American?
 
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Kemba429 said:
Hypothetical:

UConn football over the next four years goes:
17: 5-7
18: 7-6
19: 8-5
20: 9-4

UConn basketball over the next four years goes:
17: 20-10
18: 23-7
19: 22-8
20: 23-7

Football ticket sales boost up after Edsall's first season, and still bringing in more revenue than any other GO5 school by a mile.

At this point, when our football team is consistent four a long stretch, and basketball turns around back to usual, would this almost guarantee to be out of the American?
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I don't think on field performance is UConn's issue:
Football
'07: 9-4, conf title, bowl
'08: 8-5, bowl (bowl attendance record)
'09: 8-5, bowl (bowl attendance record)
'10: 8-5, conf title, Fiesta Bowl

Basketball
07-08: 24-9
08-09: 31-5, Final Four
09-10: 18-16
10-11: 32-9, National Champs

2011 realignment: Left Out

If CR was about merit from athletic performance, UConn would be in the P5.
 
Zissou said:
I don't think on field performance is UConn's issue:
Football
'07: 9-4, conf title, bowl
'08: 8-5, bowl (bowl attendance record)
'09: 8-5, bowl (bowl attendance record)
'10: 8-5, conf title, Fiesta Bowl

Basketball
07-08: 24-9
08-09: 31-5, Final Four
09-10: 18-16
10-11: 32-9, National Champs

2011 realignment: Left Out

If CR was about merit from athletic performance, UConn would be in the P5.
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So whats our problem? Our revenue is 48th in the whole country.
 
Kemba429 said:
So whats our problem? Our revenue is 48th in the whole country.
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As an outsider I'll probably get blasted for this, but my honest view is:

New Money. In my opinion UConn is a new Blue Blood in Basketball, emerging only 10 years behind Duke and equally dominant in modern history. During that time UConn's academics have also gained in perception. I think UConn is 60 in the latest US News ranking. Regardless of facts, UConn is probably viewed unfairly by some as an average state school without a long prestigious history. No memorable football history (FCS). Even with UConn's positive actual academic standing, it's not AAU accredited, a factor (but not an absolute) for the B1G.

Location. While there are some pluses to UConn's location (overlap with NYC market and New England in general), it is also an outlier for the P5 footprints. But wait, BC is even further isolated! Yes, they are an exception, but also a not very successful example.

Rivalries. This is too often overlooked. Rivalries are huge for a program's exposure and fan base interest, but always take a back seat in CR. I would guess Cincy is your best in-conference rival, and that is a stretch. You should be able to hop in a car and show up at an away game. This is a big disadvantage in the AAC.

Politics. Ugh, politics. When UConn took the high road and backed the Big East, BC split. UConn fought the move and bad blood at BC remained. When UConn was working through strengthening the Big East in CR, Pitt was recommending that the conference reject a $1.4B ESPN contract, reject Nova's move up in football, all while negotiating entrance to the ACC. With friends like that... Anyway, treachery is unfortunately rewarded and loyalty not valued. Politics is related to the rivalries for sure. BC without UConn as a rival is a lesser program, and vice versa. The Yankees and Red Sox are hated rivals, but both are better for it. UNC and Duke are hated rivals, but both are better for it. UConn not only lost BC, but it lost Cuse, Georgetown, Nova, St John's, and Providence. Even if some of those teams have not been good every year, rivalries extend past that with their history (and generally some shared regional footprint). BC punished UConn, but BC has also withered as an ACC island without UConn. Who is BC's big rival?

Imo, UConn should be P5. But since you are not, I'd rather see UConn join the Big East. It is better to have some regional rivals and be in a basketball-first conference. Keep FBS football in the AAC or in another alignment (even independent), and if the P5 opportunity comes in 5 or 10 years you are no worse off. Football in the AAC is not going to be the difference maker in CR. 2011 showed that football and basketball results take a back seat.
 
Zissou said:
As an outsider I'll probably get blasted for this, but my honest view is:

New Money. In my opinion UConn is a new Blue Blood in Basketball, emerging only 10 years behind Duke and equally dominant in modern history. During that time UConn's academics have also gained in perception. I think UConn is 60 in the latest US News ranking. Regardless of facts, UConn is probably viewed unfairly by some as an average state school without a long prestigious history. No memorable football history (FCS). Even with UConn's positive actual academic standing, it's not AAU accredited, a factor (but not an absolute) for the B1G.

Location. While there are some pluses to UConn's location (overlap with NYC market and New England in general), it is also an outlier for the P5 footprints. But wait, BC is even further isolated! Yes, they are an exception, but also a not very successful example.

Rivalries. This is too often overlooked. Rivalries are huge for a program's exposure and fan base interest, but always take a back seat in CR. I would guess Cincy is your best in-conference rival, and that is a stretch. You should be able to hop in a car and show up at an away game. This is a big disadvantage in the AAC.

Politics. Ugh, politics. When UConn took the high road and backed the Big East, BC split. UConn fought the move and bad blood at BC remained. When UConn was working through strengthening the Big East in CR, Pitt was recommending that the conference reject a $1.4B ESPN contract, reject Nova's move up in football, all while negotiating entrance to the ACC. With friends like that... Anyway, treachery is unfortunately rewarded and loyalty not valued. Politics is related to the rivalries for sure. BC without UConn as a rival is a lesser program, and vice versa. The Yankees and Red Sox are hated rivals, but both are better for it. UNC and Duke are hated rivals, but both are better for it. UConn not only lost BC, but it lost Cuse, Georgetown, Nova, St John's, and Providence. Even if some of those teams have not been good every year, rivalries extend past that with their history (and generally some shared regional footprint). BC punished UConn, but BC has also withered as an ACC island without UConn. Who is BC's big rival?

Imo, UConn should be P5. But since you are not, I'd rather see UConn join the Big East. It is better to have some regional rivals and be in a basketball-first conference. Keep FBS football in the AAC or in another alignment (even independent), and if the P5 opportunity comes in 5 or 10 years you are no worse off. Football in the AAC is not going to be the difference maker in CR. 2011 showed that football and basketball results take a back seat.
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I dont really want to give up football to join the Big East. The ACC imo fits us perfectly with BC, Cuse, L'ville, Pitt. all being the old big east teams, so rivalries certainly wouldnt be a problem. Our revenue is 72 mil. Location, oh location... Sense the tournament will be back in Carolina, no they dont need the Barclays center to be a home for the ACC tournament... BUT, the ACC has been trying to get the New York market, which UConn generates more than Syracuse in the NY City area (Upstate is obviously all Syracuse) which would give them even more of that TV market. With the politics, I would hope that the new governor would back UConn on getting into a better conference to get more cash into Hartford. With all of this maybe the ACC, B10, Big East, whoever... might see this as a good decision. Hopefully.
 
Kemba429 said:
I dont really want to give up football to join the Big East.
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And you shouldn't. A P5 invite is of course more valuable than the Big East. But sans a P5 invite, I think the Big East is a better home for UConn than the AAC. As a Big East fan, "we would welcome UConn with open arms". It maybe a better short term spot than the AAC. (and keep your football FBS).
 
Zissou said:
As an outsider I'll probably get blasted for this, but my honest view is:

New Money. In my opinion UConn is a new Blue Blood in Basketball, emerging only 10 years behind Duke and equally dominant in modern history. During that time UConn's academics have also gained in perception. I think UConn is 60 in the latest US News ranking. Regardless of facts, UConn is probably viewed unfairly by some as an average state school without a long prestigious history. No memorable football history (FCS). Even with UConn's positive actual academic standing, it's not AAU accredited, a factor (but not an absolute) for the B1G.

Location. While there are some pluses to UConn's location (overlap with NYC market and New England in general), it is also an outlier for the P5 footprints. But wait, BC is even further isolated! Yes, they are an exception, but also a not very successful example.

Rivalries. This is too often overlooked. Rivalries are huge for a program's exposure and fan base interest, but always take a back seat in CR. I would guess Cincy is your best in-conference rival, and that is a stretch. You should be able to hop in a car and show up at an away game. This is a big disadvantage in the AAC.

Politics. Ugh, politics. When UConn took the high road and backed the Big East, BC split. UConn fought the move and bad blood at BC remained. When UConn was working through strengthening the Big East in CR, Pitt was recommending that the conference reject a $1.4B ESPN contract, reject Nova's move up in football, all while negotiating entrance to the ACC. With friends like that... Anyway, treachery is unfortunately rewarded and loyalty not valued. Politics is related to the rivalries for sure. BC without UConn as a rival is a lesser program, and vice versa. The Yankees and Red Sox are hated rivals, but both are better for it. UNC and Duke are hated rivals, but both are better for it. UConn not only lost BC, but it lost Cuse, Georgetown, Nova, St John's, and Providence. Even if some of those teams have not been good every year, rivalries extend past that with their history (and generally some shared regional footprint). BC punished UConn, but BC has also withered as an ACC island without UConn. Who is BC's big rival?

Imo, UConn should be P5. But since you are not, I'd rather see UConn join the Big East. It is better to have some regional rivals and be in a basketball-first conference. Keep FBS football in the AAC or in another alignment (even independent), and if the P5 opportunity comes in 5 or 10 years you are no worse off. Football in the AAC is not going to be the difference maker in CR. 2011 showed that football and basketball results take a back seat.
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Agree with everything except the football paragragh. With the money and time invested, UConn has proven it can compete in P5 football. Te last 6 years have hurt us perception wise but their is a reasonable chance to bounce back. "Our friends" from the old Big East didn't want any part of UConn getting into the P5 crowd.

The New Big Est would be a definite step down. Its a no brainer. We stay in the AAC.
 
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Kemba429 said:
Hypothetical:

UConn football over the next four years goes:
17: 5-7
18: 7-6
19: 8-5
20: 9-4

UConn basketball over the next four years goes:
17: 20-10
18: 23-7
19: 22-8
20: 23-7

Football ticket sales boost up after Edsall's first season, and still bringing in more revenue than any other GO5 school by a mile.

At this point, when our football team is consistent four a long stretch, and basketball turns around back to usual, would this almost guarantee to be out of the American?
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The competition, interesting piece.

Who has the best football-basketball combination school in college sports?
 
Zissou said:
And you shouldn't. A P5 invite is of course more valuable than the Big East. But sans a P5 invite, I think the Big East is a better home for UConn than the AAC. As a Big East fan, "we would welcome UConn with open arms". It maybe a better short term spot than the AAC. (and keep your football FBS).
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Where would our football land, independent? I wouldnt mind that.
 
SpartyCyclone said:
FWIW, to my knowledge, only Michigan State and Florida have multiple national championships in both football and basketball.
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I thought that MSU only won 1NC, although played 11 or more times in the tourney, for basketball.
 
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