Alisha Gray Verbals to UNC

[John Glass]

I have to wonder if Duke, Maryland or any other ACC team had a roster including verbals exceeded 15 what you would be saying. As of right now, UNC has 19 players that are on the roster or have received verbals from. Sorry, what UNC is doing is wrong, and if another team was doing it, you would be saying it too.

I am not a UNC fan. There are not any 2013/2014 rosters anywhere.

I wanted DD to go to UConn, I am surprised this hasn't happened before. DD is a heck of a recruiter.

 

[trisailin]

A far more interesting question is what is the over/under on how long it will be before any of these kids who announced today win 1) ACC championship, 2) get to a Final Four 3) win the Big Prize?
We've seen evidence many times (repeated again this year) that great recruiting classes don't guarantee championships.

 

[pap49cba]

I'd be willing to make a wager that Geno and CD are REALLY hacked-off right now. This is the sort of **** (stuff) that goes on in the Kentucky men's program.

 

[VAMike23]

Slightly off-topic.... does anyone remember that post talking about the do's and don't of Twitter and Facebook, when it comes to recruits..? There was something from the UCONN compliance dept that was posted here on the BY. I can't seem to find it.

I don't use these services but wanted to refresh myself on how UCONN viewed the issue.

 

[pap49cba]

IIRC, it had to do with BYer's interacting directly with recruits on Twitter / Facebook.

 

[HuskyNan]

I'd be willing to make a wager that Geno and CD are REALLY hacked-off right now. This is the sort of **** (stuff) that goes on in the Kentucky men's program.

If you have proof, let's hear it. If not, please don't engage in harmful speculation. Please see my post tacked to the top of the board.

 

[HuskyNan]

Slightly off-topic.... does anyone remember that post talking about the do's and don't of Twitter and Facebook, when it comes to recruits..? There was something from the UCONN compliance dept that was posted here on the BY. I can't seem to find it.

This is the post:

These aren't my words, the following is directly from UConn Compliance. Please note that the term "booster" applies to anyone that has (among other things) purchased season's tickets, contributed to UConn, gone to UConn, or "promoted the interests of UConn athletics" which is a vague term that the NCAA can apply any way it likes. See the​

Representative of Athletics Interests​

definition (booster):​

The NCAA rules that regulate contact with prospective student-athletes include not only face-to-face contacts, emails, phone calls, but also any and all contacts through social media websites. This includes, but is not limited to, websites such as Facebook, Twitter, and MySpace.​

​

Boosters or other representatives of UCONN’s athletics interests are prohibited from contacting recruits through these and similar websites. Despite these new applications of the internet, NCAA rules regarding how these technologies can be used have not changed. For instance, many years ago NCAA rules made it impermissible for anyone other than a UCONN coach to write a letter to a prospect encouraging that individual to come to UCONN. As the internet developed the rule was applied the same way to email, so that only a UCONN coach could email a prospect in an attempt to recruit the individual to UCONN. Now, with new methods for broader communication over these social networking sites, it is necessary to remember that it is still permissible only for UCONN coaches to use these sites to recruit prospects to come to UCONN. Even then, there are significant limitations and regulations on how that communication can take place.​

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Fans may not initiate or accept “friend” requests of prospects on Facebook, but they can “follow” recruits on Twitter. Fans should NEVER post to a recruit’s “wall,” reply to a “tweet,” send them any type of direct message, or take any other action that would constitute contacting that recruit. This prohibition also includes creating fan pages for recruits to attend UCONN.​

​

If anyone other than UCONN coaches contact recruits or encourage prospects to enroll at UCONN, the NCAA will deem that to be a violation and we will be subject to penalties and recruiting limitations, potentially even jeopardizing the eligibility of the prospect. This is true even if the prospect is unaware of such recruiting efforts. Further, those individuals who participate in impermissible recruiting could face penalties, including being banned from obtaining tickets to athletic events.​

​

Please remember, that while new technology has revolutionized the college recruiting world, the basic rules regarding recruitment of student-athletes remains the same. All recruiting activities to the permissible athletics staff members. Know that our coaches are at the forefront of these efforts and are doing everything they legally can to recruit outstanding student-athletes to UCONN. If any Boneyard posters have any questions regarding what constitutes a social media website, what types of actions are prohibited, or any other technology and recruiting questions, please encourage them to contact the Office of Athletics Compliance BEFORE taking any actions.​

 

[MilfordHusky]

I'd be willing to make a wager that Geno and CD are REALLY hacked-off right now. This is the sort of **** (stuff) that goes on in the Kentucky men's program.

Calipari's business model just moved to the women's side.

 

[uconnfan68]

Bret McCormick is tweeting that UNC may get a couple of more recruits. Will UNC get their own 6 pack.

It seems that those that write about College Recruiting are saying how great UNC's class is and it is. What they aren't writing about is how this class is going to force players to transfer and it should be wrong to over recruit where a school will have more then 15 players.

It just gets all those other girls ready for the real world. It's pretty ugly out there.

 

[VAMike23]

This is the post:

These aren't my words, the following is directly from UConn Compliance. Please note that the term "booster" applies to anyone that has (among other things) purchased season's tickets, contributed to UConn, gone to UConn, or "promoted the interests of UConn athletics" which is a vague term that the NCAA can apply any way it likes. See the​

Representative of Athletics Interests​

definition (booster):​

The NCAA rules that regulate contact with prospective student-athletes include not only face-to-face contacts, emails, phone calls, but also any and all contacts through social media websites. This includes, but is not limited to, websites such as Facebook, Twitter, and MySpace.​

​

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Thanks very much for digging that one up, I appreciate it -

 

[huskyblooz]

they will be on probation by 2014

 

[MarieM]

it was all a plan they had it planned out for day according to HG

 

[Bestiarius]

This is the post:

These aren't my words, the following is directly from UConn Compliance. Please note that the term "booster" applies to anyone that has (among other things) purchased season's tickets, contributed to UConn, gone to UConn, or "promoted the interests of UConn athletics" which is a vague term that the NCAA can apply any way it likes. See the​

Representative of Athletics Interests​

definition (booster):​

The NCAA rules that regulate contact with prospective student-athletes include not only face-to-face contacts, emails, phone calls, but also any and all contacts through social media websites. This includes, but is not limited to, websites such as Facebook, Twitter, and MySpace.​

​

Boosters or other representatives of UCONN’s athletics interests are prohibited from contacting recruits through these and similar websites. Despite these new applications of the internet, NCAA rules regarding how these technologies can be used have not changed. For instance, many years ago NCAA rules made it impermissible for anyone other than a UCONN coach to write a letter to a prospect encouraging that individual to come to UCONN. As the internet developed the rule was applied the same way to email, so that only a UCONN coach could email a prospect in an attempt to recruit the individual to UCONN. Now, with new methods for broader communication over these social networking sites, it is necessary to remember that it is still permissible only for UCONN coaches to use these sites to recruit prospects to come to UCONN. Even then, there are significant limitations and regulations on how that communication can take place.​

​

Fans may not initiate or accept “friend” requests of prospects on Facebook, but they can “follow” recruits on Twitter. Fans should NEVER post to a recruit’s “wall,” reply to a “tweet,” send them any type of direct message, or take any other action that would constitute contacting that recruit. This prohibition also includes creating fan pages for recruits to attend UCONN.​

​

If anyone other than UCONN coaches contact recruits or encourage prospects to enroll at UCONN, the NCAA will deem that to be a violation and we will be subject to penalties and recruiting limitations, potentially even jeopardizing the eligibility of the prospect. This is true even if the prospect is unaware of such recruiting efforts. Further, those individuals who participate in impermissible recruiting could face penalties, including being banned from obtaining tickets to athletic events.​

​

Please remember, that while new technology has revolutionized the college recruiting world, the basic rules regarding recruitment of student-athletes remains the same. All recruiting activities to the permissible athletics staff members. Know that our coaches are at the forefront of these efforts and are doing everything they legally can to recruit outstanding student-athletes to UCONN. If any Boneyard posters have any questions regarding what constitutes a social media website, what types of actions are prohibited, or any other technology and recruiting questions, please encourage them to contact the Office of Athletics Compliance BEFORE taking any actions.​

They can't be serious with this. What is the definition of a "Fan"? I can see the NCAA limiting University employee contact, but the school nor the NCAA has no control over anyone else's personal communications. If I'm a supporter of some other school and pretend I'm a Uconn fan and tweet a Uconn recruit, the NCAA can sanction Uconn? I think the statement is just a scare tactic trying to minimize spam to recruits. Again, someone on the payroll is a different story.

 

[MarieM]

do they Day twins Decommit? Again? hmmm

 

[rocky rococo]

It just gets all those other girls ready for the real world. It's pretty ugly out there.

Exactly right. Here we see the impact of the UConn wbb fan base being generally "of an age". The reality is that in contemporary American business culture, the only culture that matters, loyalty is strictly a one-way street. It is stringently demanded bottom-up. It simply does not exist top-down, and anyone who suggests it should can be certain they'll never rise far enough to be in a position to implement their opinion. That it has taken so long to make its way into collegiate non-revenue sports speaks to the insulating quality being "non-revenue" provides.

 

[Bestiarius]

Exactly right. Here we see the impact of the UConn wbb fan base being generally "of an age". The reality is that in contemporary American business culture, the only culture that matters, loyalty is strictly a one-way street. It is stringently demanded bottom-up. It simply does not exist top-down, and anyone who suggests it should can be certain they'll never rise far enough to be in a position to implement their opinion. That it has taken so long to make its way into collegiate non-revenue sports speaks to the insulating quality being "non-revenue" provides.

So, does this portend a huge expansion in revenue for women's BB? Teams all over starting to make money. Is Matthew Mitchell's new salary another indicator? Will we see more YUM centers?

 

[DaddyChoc]

I love it, JS. Anything that makes fans crazy is ok with me.

From my perspective, I really don't care who goes where. I trust Geno and he will have a great team no matter who he ends up with. Well, that and as long as no one commits to Tennessee....lol.

Good luck to all the young ladies wherever they go.

POST OF THE WEEKEND... thanks DD

 

[DaddyChoc]

Slightly off-topic.... does anyone remember that post talking about the do's and don't of Twitter and Facebook, when it comes to recruits..? There was something from the UCONN compliance dept that was posted here on the BY. I can't seem to find it.

I don't use these services but wanted to refresh myself on how UCONN viewed the issue.

guess you was reading the Summitt where the poster mentioned they were "following" a recruit on Twitter (and/or Facebook) and just requested 1 or 2 others? (something like that)

 

[easttexastrash]

A far more interesting question is what is the over/under on how long it will be before any of these kids who announced today win 1) ACC championship, 2) get to a Final Four 3) win the Big Prize?
We've seen evidence many times (repeated again this year) that great recruiting classes don't guarantee championships.

It did for Baylor.

 

[sarals24]

It did for Baylor.

Mulkey is a much better coach than Hatchell. And she had two solid recruiting classes, plus Griner. There's no way that DD is a game-changing player in the way Griner is.

And even with Griner, it took Baylor three seasons to win it all. Baylor also enjoys much more fan support than UNC.

Obvioulsy this class UNC just landed is super talented. But none of them have actually signed, and as discussed in many other places, this is going to definitely affect team chemistry there. Are those freshman going to come in in 2013 and automatically get playing time? How will the upperclassman feel about that? With so many players on the roster, how will they follow up this class with other great classes?

Will be super interesting to watch and see how this plays out.

 

[easttexastrash]

I guess I'm really not sure why this seems to be so upsetting to so many. It just really seems like a group of girls all saying that they like a program and that they all want to play with each other and bring the program back to prominence. What is wrong the the players being in control as a group? As someone pointed out, this may be the wave of the future where these players say "let's all go here and try to win a championship together." Or this may be a one-off that we may not see again.

It seems to me that maybe what is disturbing to some is the thought of another class possibly being more impressive than the class that their university has garnered. I can only imagine that the Tennessee fans are devastated that UNC got the kind of haul that they were hoping for. Although, who is to say that another group of 2013 recruits will not band together and flock to Tennessee.

I hate that Baylor did not get any of these players and I think this nearly locks in Russell as a Tar Heel and puts Baylor out of contention. But it will be fun to watch UNC and UCONN battle it out for three or four years. UNC has probably put itself in position to be the only team that can challenge UCONN.

 

[Zorro]

This is the post:

These aren't my words, the following is directly from UConn Compliance. Please note that the term "booster" applies to anyone that has (among other things) purchased season's tickets, contributed to UConn, gone to UConn, or "promoted the interests of UConn athletics" which is a vague term that the NCAA can apply any way it likes. See the​

Representative of Athletics Interests​

definition (booster):​

The NCAA rules that regulate contact with prospective student-athletes include not only face-to-face contacts, emails, phone calls, but also any and all contacts through social media websites. This includes, but is not limited to, websites such as Facebook, Twitter, and MySpace.​

​

Boosters or other representatives of UCONN’s athletics interests are prohibited from contacting recruits through these and similar websites. Despite these new applications of the internet, NCAA rules regarding how these technologies can be used have not changed. For instance, many years ago NCAA rules made it impermissible for anyone other than a UCONN coach to write a letter to a prospect encouraging that individual to come to UCONN. As the internet developed the rule was applied the same way to email, so that only a UCONN coach could email a prospect in an attempt to recruit the individual to UCONN. Now, with new methods for broader communication over these social networking sites, it is necessary to remember that it is still permissible only for UCONN coaches to use these sites to recruit prospects to come to UCONN. Even then, there are significant limitations and regulations on how that communication can take place.​

​

Fans may not initiate or accept “friend” requests of prospects on Facebook, but they can “follow” recruits on Twitter. Fans should NEVER post to a recruit’s “wall,” reply to a “tweet,” send them any type of direct message, or take any other action that would constitute contacting that recruit. This prohibition also includes creating fan pages for recruits to attend UCONN.​

​

If anyone other than UCONN coaches contact recruits or encourage prospects to enroll at UCONN, the NCAA will deem that to be a violation and we will be subject to penalties and recruiting limitations, potentially even jeopardizing the eligibility of the prospect. This is true even if the prospect is unaware of such recruiting efforts. Further, those individuals who participate in impermissible recruiting could face penalties, including being banned from obtaining tickets to athletic events.​

​

Please remember, that while new technology has revolutionized the college recruiting world, the basic rules regarding recruitment of student-athletes remains the same. All recruiting activities to the permissible athletics staff members. Know that our coaches are at the forefront of these efforts and are doing everything they legally can to recruit outstanding student-athletes to UCONN. If any Boneyard posters have any questions regarding what constitutes a social media website, what types of actions are prohibited, or any other technology and recruiting questions, please encourage them to contact the Office of Athletics Compliance BEFORE taking any actions.​

Nan; A suggestion; While the NCAA does have some very silly and ambiguous rules, they ARE rules, and every now and again they decide to enforce one of them. I think that your post should be pinned. While I do not do social networking myself, a lot of Husky fans do, and it seems be very easy to get carried away.

 

[triaddukefan]

I hate that Baylor did not get any of these players and I think this nearly locks in Russell as a Tar Heel and puts Baylor out of contention. But it will be fun to watch UNC and UCONN battle it out for three or four years. UNC has probably put itself in position to be the only team that can challenge UCONN.

Lets see if UNC can challenge Duke and Maryland for tops in the ACC first.....

 

[easttexastrash]

Lets see if UNC can challenge Duke and Maryland for tops in the ACC first.....

If they don't it sure won't be because they don't have more talent. If UNC lands Russell Duke and MD will be fighting it out for second place.

 

[RoyDodger]

This is all getting very curious.....

I haven't the foggiest idea what it all means, but it's interesting that of the Hoopgurlz top 60 for 2013, there have been 20 commitments. Of those just over half are for the ACC (UNC 6, Duke 1, Virginia 1, Maryland 2, Florida State 1). With UNC leading the way, the runner-up so far is Notre Dame with 3 commits. The others are from Louisville (1), Vanderbilt (1), Princeton (1), Northwestern (2), and Iowa State (1).

 

[triaddukefan]

If they don't it sure won't be because they don't have more talent. If UNC lands Russell Duke and MD will be fighting it out for second place.

Meh.... we will see...


But....... I am rooting for Russell to sign with Tennessee or Louisville... or anyone but UNC.

 

[UConnChapette]

I guess I'm really not sure why this seems to be so upsetting to so many. It just really seems like a group of girls all saying that they like a program and that they all want to play with each other and bring the program back to prominence. What is wrong the the players being in control as a group? As someone pointed out, this may be the wave of the future where these players say "let's all go here and try to win a championship together." Or this may be a one-off that we may not see again.

It seems to me that maybe what is disturbing to some is the thought of another class possibly being more impressive than the class that their university has garnered. I can only imagine that the Tennessee fans are devastated that UNC got the kind of haul that they were hoping for. Although, who is to say that another group of 2013 recruits will not band together and flock to Tennessee.

I hate that Baylor did not get any of these players and I think this nearly locks in Russell as a Tar Heel and puts Baylor out of contention. But it will be fun to watch UNC and UCONN battle it out for three or four years. UNC has probably put itself in position to be the only team that can challenge UCONN.

I think what concerns many is just that - the recruits have taken control as a group, perhaps to the detriment of the team as a whole.

Aren't coaches supposed to be in control of how they shape their teams? Receiving a commitment from one recruit often times changes the focus of the coaching staff to other players to compliment the remaining team makeup and may, in fact, lead to less interest in other players they were recruiting. It happens all the time. However, this tact has now put UNC coaches, the existing players and 2012 recruits in the unenviable and, perhaps, very uncomfortable position. I don't see how that can ever be a good thing.

I couldn't give a rats patootie that none of these players committed to UConn. In fact, the way this went down - and the fact that they are purportedly continuing to try to add to the class on a team which is already over the scholarship limit, makes me think these players would not be a good fit for UConn's more tightly structured environment. While these are only verbals and until they sign a LOI nothing is final, I think the door has been firmly slammed shut on any possibility that, should they change their mind, there will be a place at UConn for them.

Yes, TASSK did something similar - but the situation was different in a couple of key aspects. It was not a coordinated and timed commitment to all happen on the same day. But most importantly, there were enough available scholarships without putting the scholarships of other players in jeopardy.

Returning players the year TASSK came in as Freshmen:

Tihanna Abrlic - Senior transfer (Scholarship)
Sveta - Sophomore (Scholarship)
Marci Czel - Sophomore (walk-on)
Amy Duran - Senior (Scholarship)
Courtney Gaine - Senior (Scholarship)
Marci Glenney - Sophomore (Scholarship)
Stacy Hansmeyer - Junior (Scholarship)
Shea Ralph - RS Sophomore (Scholarship)
Paige Sauer - Junior (Scholarship)
Kelly Schumacher - Sophomore (Scholarship)

9 scholarships, one walk-on - which left room for up to 6 scholarship recruits.

For me, the thing that bothers me the most about what happened at UNC is that these recruits gave no consideration to the returning UNC players and 2012 incoming recruits. Unfortunately, that is the mentality of much of today's youth. I see it happening with my own son, and I am not at all pleased by it.

 

[Vowelguy]

I think what concerns many is just that - the recruits have taken control as a group, perhaps to the detriment of the team as a whole.
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For me, the thing that bothers me the most about what happened at UNC is that these recruits gave no consideration to the returning UNC players and 2012 incoming recruits.

(1) How do you know the recruits have "taken control." ? They were offered; they accepted.
(2) In order for a recruit to commit, she has to have an offer. Why is it the kid's fault if the coach made more offers than the team had available? Is it the recruit's responsibility to be up on the status of all the existing players, whom she doesn't know?

 

[triaddukefan]

I had go to google to see what TASSK meant Now I know.

 

[Vowelguy]

I had go to google to see what TASSK meant Now I know.

Just a further sign of that poor education you received.