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selles said:
No, he was one of the four core players who contributed in several different areas to the team's success. Big difference from a "role" player who is put on the court to perform a specific role.
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We're probably going to agree to disagree based on definition, but objectively, he took 16% of the team's shots when he was on the court and had a usage rate less than 15%, 6th and 7th on the team, respectively. KenPom defines roles based on usage, and has that <15% usage in the "limited role" category, which is actually one category below offensive role player. There's 5 guys on the court and he took shots/used possessions 1/6 of the time.

He had a very defined role: floor spacer/3 point shooter and 3/4 wing defender and supplemental rebounder and very rarely did anything outside of that role. He was a pretty classic 3&D guy, which is one of the most well known role player roles.

He was very effective in that role. In fact, he's still a role player on the German national team, and the reason he is still being selected for the team at age 30 is because he knows and excels in said role.
 
auror said:
We're probably going to agree to disagree based on definition, but objectively, he took 16% of the team's shots when he was on the court and had a usage rate less than 15%, 6th and 7th on the team, respectively. KenPom defines roles based on usage, and has that <15% usage in the "limited role" category, which is actually one category below offensive role player. There's 5 guys on the court and he took shots/used possessions 1/6 of the time.

He had a very defined role: floor spacer/3 point shooter and 3/4 wing defender and supplemental rebounder and very rarely did anything outside of that role. He was a pretty classic 3&D guy, which is one of the most well known role player roles.

He was very effective in that role. In fact, he's still a role player on the German national team, and the reason he is still being selected for the team at age 30 is because he knows and excels in said role.
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We'll agree to disagree based on definitions, but I think your definition is so broad as to be nonsensical. Almost everyone has a defined role. Bouknight's role was to score. Doesn't make him a "role player". A role player is TSam - come in and provide energy and hustle. Or Albie Mouring in '99 - come in and hit some threes.

The term "role player" as used earlier in this thread is frankly derogatory to a guy who was a crucial piece in any number of different ways in 2014. Did Giffey have a role? Yes, he had a role. Most everyone does. That does not make Giffey a 'role player' in the commonly understood sense of the term.
 
oh my god omg GIF by Hell's Kitchen
 
How about he was a role player until his senior year? Does that satisfy everyones sensibilities enough or is this thread doomed to go the Clingan thread route? Now back to hoping Karaban pulls the trigger soon...
 
auror said:
We're probably going to agree to disagree based on definition, but objectively, he took 16% of the team's shots when he was on the court and had a usage rate less than 15%, 6th and 7th on the team, respectively. KenPom defines roles based on usage, and has that <15% usage in the "limited role" category, which is actually one category below offensive role player. There's 5 guys on the court and he took shots/used possessions 1/6 of the time.

He had a very defined role: floor spacer/3 point shooter and 3/4 wing defender and supplemental rebounder and very rarely did anything outside of that role. He was a pretty classic 3&D guy, which is one of the most well known role player roles.

He was very effective in that role. In fact, he's still a role player on the German national team, and the reason he is still being selected for the team at age 30 is because he knows and excels in said role.
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Didn't spend time at center as well when needed? I think of role player of having a couple well defined skills which the team exploits. Think Rashad Anderson threes or Lyman DePriest's defense. Giffey was different. Yeah he was a streaky 3 point shooter who went on some great runs but he also had flexibility, playing in the paint, grabbing rebounds when needed. I'm pretty sure he was/is the captain of his Euro team, something "role players" typically don't do.
 
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UCfor3 said:
How about he was a role player until his senior year? Does that satisfy everyones sensibilities enough or is this thread doomed to go the Clingan thread route? Now back to hoping Karaban pulls the trigger soon...
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Oh I am convinced that we "can't have nice (threads)" anymore. It seems like too many people are making a concerted effort to crap them up.

(But yeah, your compromise works for me. ;))
 
Griffey was athletic, a good defender, a good and a good spot up shooter. He also didn’t make stupid plays. Very valuable for uconn and would have been valuable for any team. There’s a reason he continues to be a part of the German national team.

he was not creative offensively, aggressive off the dribble and did not have an expansive move set. He made the simple play and it was obvious this was instilled in him at an early age. When he caught the ball on the wing he looked to deliver a post pass instead of crossing his man over and driving to the lane. Yes, karaban seems like he has the potential to be much more of an offensive threat. Let’s see how it plays out.
 
UCfor3 said:
How about he was a role player until his senior year? Does that satisfy everyones sensibilities enough or is this thread doomed to go the Clingan thread route? Now back to hoping Karaban pulls the trigger soon...
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I'm with you, hope he does....just have a (non-insider) feeling Karaban wants to play his commitment out a little & see what else develops this summer.

Thought he said August somewhere but I mostly take with grain of salt what kids say publicly before they commit so who knows. I'll keep checking here daily for any more good recruit news :cool:
 
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Hoops01 said:
????? 0k enough of the Giffey stuff, he was a great ROLE player who came up huge in the NCAA TOURNAMENT but Karaban was/is a much better player w a much higher ceiling
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Neil's was much bigger than stepping up in the tourney, Lassen kromah was a role player who stepped up. Neil's had been essential all year as a 2-4. He played PF in our small ball lineups, stretched the floor.
 
UCTitleTown said:
We don't win the NT without Giffey. He was huge. His defense was stellar too.
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His defense was unbelievable, his fight for the ball, his ability to defend players much bigger and more athletic than him, absolutely we don't win without him
 
Check out the Podcast Thread. Great listen women & men

re: Alex Karaban that he (Sean MacFarland) has been speaking with:
You feel so much more wanted when guys on the team are recruiting you to play with them. It isn't just the coaching staff telling you that they want you and that it's a great place.
 
superjohn said:
Niels won 2 national championships at UConn and played a combined 61 minutes in those two title games. I agree his stats look unimpressive but he was a really good intangibles player who was in and out of the lineup on a stacked team his freshmen year and his sophomore year he was kind of buried on one of the most talented teams in UConn history despite it being kind of a mess of a year...

He always did what was asked of him his whole career and for his senior year he became one of the top knock down three point shooters in the country and was a jacknife on defense who often got the job of trying to stop the best player on the other team, he shut down Julius Randle in the title game. The stats don't tell the story with him as a player, he was a winner here and has continued being a winner for Alba Berlin.

I remember when Calhoun signed him, he beat out UCLA, Louisville, and the Zags and the top recruiting guy who evaluated him said he would have him ranked right around the top 50 if he was playing in the US.
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If I recall correctly, at the start of Giffey's freshman year Calhoun told him his play reminded him of John Havlicek. It was meant as a nice compliment to Giffey, and Giffey innocently asked who Havlicek was.
 
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This is so ridiculous, as are some takes here.

Alex Karaban, I expect you will develop really well here, and be more than a role player!
 
CL82 said:
Oh I am convinced that we "can't have nice (threads)" anymore. It seems like too many people are making a concerted effort to crap them up.

(But yeah, your compromise works for me. ;))
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This is funny.
 
MDHuskFan said:
Did Giffey take 3 unofficials?
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No, role players are only allowed one unofficial visit. Ba dum bum. I'm here all week. Make sure you try the veal and tip your waiters and waitresses.
 
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Ricker said:
Check out the Podcast Thread. Great listen women & men

re: Alex Karaban that he (Sean MacFarland) has been speaking with:
You feel so much more wanted when guys on the team are recruiting you to play with them. It isn't just the coaching staff telling you that they want you and that it's a great place.
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It’s not like I would root for UConn less if we had some questionable characters, but I love that our players and recruits seem to be such high-quality guys. It’s easy to pull for guys who clearly love being a Husky so much.
 
auror said:
We're probably going to agree to disagree based on definition, but objectively, he took 16% of the team's shots when he was on the court and had a usage rate less than 15%, 6th and 7th on the team, respectively. KenPom defines roles based on usage, and has that <15% usage in the "limited role" category, which is actually one category below offensive role player. There's 5 guys on the court and he took shots/used possessions 1/6 of the time.

He had a very defined role: floor spacer/3 point shooter and 3/4 wing defender and supplemental rebounder and very rarely did anything outside of that role. He was a pretty classic 3&D guy, which is one of the most well known role player roles.

He was very effective in that role. In fact, he's still a role player on the German national team, and the reason he is still being selected for the team at age 30 is because he knows and excels in said role.
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BINGO! well said didn't want a gif bash when people kept going on about hoping Karaban would be 75% of giff it's not the underselling of giff it's the WAY UNDERSELLING OF KARABAN
 
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