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Read Eric's post. Of all the speculation, allegations and outright lies, his take is the one that has always made the most sense. I believe that someone in Summitt's camp convinced her that Auriemma had made remarks about Summitt's personal life during the recruiting of Maya Moore. That was the initial reaction of many fans when the series was cancelled. Summit's unwillingness to answer questions seemed to affirm that speculation. Then the issue was muddied by the crap posted on the Summitt board and the ultimately ridiculous "cheating" allegations submitted to the NCAA.

"Personal life"? No, it was being out recruited. Nothing more mean than someone with a legacy trying to protect it as it shrinks away. She was a mean person portrayed as a good ol' girl country yokel by the press.
 
the last time I called the FBI about doggy they said, "We know him...all bark, no bite..." ;)
You misheard. They said "He's barking mad and can bite us for all we care."

The FBI episode, speaking of barking mad, wasn't entirely such. They do have a website where you can report thefts of intellectual property.

It's just that the FBI is more interested in, for example, little matters like the Chinese stealing American technology and trade secrets. If I had to guess, I'd say they probably lack a specialist in unauthorized quotes from premium basketball fan sites.
 
Before UConn will agree to renew the series, Tennessee has "explaining" to do regarding Summitt's decision to cancel the series six years ago and how the actions surrounding that decision "put Auriemma, some of his players, and the way he runs his program in a very negative light."

I like this part a lot. Its a polite way of saying... Admit to doing wrong. With that said it wont happen because Pat and Tenn will never admit to anything wrong.

This is a good thread in that it lets all those who didn't live through it have an idea of what happened and what we went through. How bout Compliance Officers contacting UConn fans for signs, posts, etc. It was really bad. Even with an apology and it should come from Pat demanded by the President of Tenn.

We need to stay away from Tenn and not even think of renewing the game. You can't go back, it will never be the same. Think about this. UConn win the NC in Nashville Tenn in April. What do you think happens then? If your wondering pay to get a subscription to the Summitt
 
I suspect UConn will eventually have some sort of series with Notre Dame, once all the dust settles with their move to the ACC. But, for the interim, I don't think it's a bad idea for a little hiatus.

Remember, the two teams have played 4 times per season - 4! - for 3 years running, and 3 times in the season before that. In a 4-year window of 154 games, 15 of 'em have been against the Irish. I find it unlikely that any other major college program, men's or women's, would have played nearly 10% of their entire 4-year schedule against just one opponent. And, don't forget, not against just any opponent, but a national top-tier team, almost always on national TV, with tremendous emphasis. You may remember, after just a few years of playing UConn twice per season, Pat Summitt backed it off to one, because two games of this kind of attention created a negative distraction to the UTenn program. It adversely affected preparation for conference games leading into the game, and had a bit of a hangover effect afterwards.

Now, do that several years running, plus it's a major conference game, plus, as it turns out, add another that means winning the conference tourney, and, add yet another that means getting to the national championship.

The old adage "familiarity breeds contempt" may also apply here, somewhat. Things can - and did - get a bit chippy, when facing a rival, yet again, with so much at stake. There aren't too many surprises, just force of will, and it can get personal - which, only adds to the pressure, and the difficulty of performing at peak proficiency.

Yes, it's been a great rivalry, and there have been some great games. I suspect there will be again, but, I think a little "breather" isn't a bad idea at all, for both schools. Let the dust settle, passions cool just a bit, remove some of the over-familiarity, and let there be a return of a little novelty and mystery to the contest.
 
... the fact that TonyC was specifically mentioned and his posts used in the 30+ page ridiculous report, and doggydaddy was reported to the FBI by none other than the main moderator of the Summitt ...

Absolutely right. Without question, doggydaddy should have been reported to the KGB, not the FBI.
 
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Absolutely right. Without question, doggydaddy should have been reported to the KGB, not the FBI.

And, after you catch Moose and Squirrel, catch DoggyDaddy!

 
If DoggyDaddy needs to be arrested do they send Deputy Dog to do the honors?


Dog the bounty hunter if DD flees by land. Underdog if DD flees by air. Sea Dogs if he tries by sea. Hopefully he will realize there is no escape, relax and have a salty dog before capture. At that point Deputy Dog will read him his rights.
 
Sorry to be boring, but to get back to the original point of this thread, I think the various demands and preconditions from the Blue and the Orange sides are just the sort of thing that can and will be dissolved using that universal solvent known as MOOLAH!

If ABC or ESPN or NBC Sports offers a sufficiently large contract for a regular season game (which is easily conceivable), the fanbases and even the basketball coaches will not have the last word. Each university's bean counters will rule that the bounty is too large to pass up, and all past grievances on both sides will be set aside with some "neither admits nor denies guilt" formulation. The SEC has provided ample precedent for that.
 
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get over it already its been years its the greatest rivarly in the womens game forget about the past time to move on no game in womens basketball can possibly even come close to tennessee vs uconn. sorry but baylor vs uconn or notre dame vs uconn just isnt the same lets get this rivarly started back up again forget about everything else lets just play some basketball
 
get over it already its been years its the greatest rivarly in the womens game forget about the past time to move on no game in womens basketball can possibly even come close to tennessee vs uconn. sorry but baylor vs uconn or notre dame vs uconn just isnt the same lets get this rivarly started back up again forget about everything else lets just play some basketball

Not even close to true.
 
John A wrote in his blog:

Sources have since told the Courant that Warlick will not reschedule UConn out of respect to Summitt’s wishes and that while Summitt’s relationship with Auriemma has apparently mended, Warlick apparently is not ready to forgive and forget.

Sounds like Holly is not the one who isn't ready to forgive and forget. Some inconsistent statements coming out of Knoxville are beginning to make sense. I doubt Holly expected the reaction she received.


I don't understand what Warlick has to forgive and forget; Geno and UCONN have done nothing wrong!
 
get over it already its been years its the greatest rivarly in the womens game forget about the past time to move on no game in womens basketball can possibly even come close to tennessee vs uconn. sorry but baylor vs uconn or notre dame vs uconn just isnt the same lets get this rivarly started back up again forget about everything else lets just play some basketball
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I see your a new poster and with respect you didn't live through what many of us did. What would've happened if Pat with all her power won and the NCAA banned UConn Womens BB from the NCAAs. Think about it. No NCAA's. No recruits, no NCs. Do you understand what that would've done to UConn? It wouldn't be what it is today . UConn did nothing wrong, but Pat and Tenn and a select few tried to tear down, destroy UConn and everything and everybody who has anything to do with UConn. First Geno CD and the coaches would be out of jobs including asst coaches. The fans were singled out and posts and newspaper articles were part of the 37 page reports destroying reputations. Recruits include EDD Maya and Caroline were brought into it along with Diana and Sue the (Tenn game killers). TEnn pulled out all stops to destroy everything that was UConn. You can phathom how bad it was and how tormenting they were. What once was between UConn and Tenn is no longer. Yes it WAS past tense the greatest rivalry but it is no longer and UConn would have to be crazy to bring it back . It wont came back because Pat and Tenn will never admit to how petty and foolish they were doing what they did and tried to get though. Pat and Tenn would have to admit they were wrong and what they did was wrong and that aint happenin.

NO NO NO Never unless we meet in the NCAAs and even then it would be a night mare. Just wait for the FF in Nashville this season. UConn will win and watch the reaction from Tenn. They will congradulate us and then stab us in the back on their private board. It hasn't changed in all these years and that's because UConn continues to break Pats records, and Geno has replaced Pat and Tenn on top of WCBB and Tenn fans and those who adore Pat cant stand it.
 
I've always believed Pat's decision to cancel the series was all about recruiting and had nothing to do with things she believed were said about her personal life. She said he cheated at recruiting and Geno said that's what Pat told him. But as Geno also said, she didn't have the guts to say it publicly and answer questions about her charges because she wouldn't have been able to do so without looking and sounding petty and ridiculous. So, instead, she chose the cowardly and manipulative path: "Geno knows."

I'm pleased Geno has taken the stance that Tennessee has some explaining to do. Summitt publicly attacked Geno's integrity and the integrity of his program and some of his players without backing up her accusations. She did that on more than one occasion, including after he had been chosen to be the next Olympic Coach. Seriously, what male coach would be able to do that without the national media crashing down on him? Imagine Coach K or Dean Smith publicly accusing the other of cheating in recruiting and not backing up those accusations with facts. Although the Connecticut media had plenty to say about the matter, the national media refused to demand that Summitt back up her accusations. I think this may explain why Geno felt it was better to occupy the high ground for much of the past few years. Now, given an opportunity to speak directly to the accusers, he has quietly yet firmly defended himself, his coaches, his players (hello Maya) and his program. The ball is now in Holly's court.
 
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I think that if a coach makes comments about a competing coach's personal life with the intent of gaining an advantage with a recruit that might be considered cheating. I.E "You don't want to play for them, their coach kicks her dog whenever they lose"

I don't know if Auriemma actually made comments about Summitt. I believe that she thought he did.
 
I will say again that I do believe that the onset of Pat's Alzheimer's may well have played into the situation, as well. The issues of dementia often play to the issues of paranoia. Pat's statements and actions at the time seem to show a degree of paranoia and the inability to be specific about details, also, can be readily related to memory issues. It is not possible to say for sure but the averasge time from onset to diagnosis is about 3.2 years last I knew.
 
get over it already its been years its the greatest rivarly in the womens game forget about the past time to move on no game in womens basketball can possibly even come close to tennessee vs uconn. sorry but baylor vs uconn or notre dame vs uconn just isnt the same lets get this rivarly started back up again forget about everything else lets just play some basketball
Agree with you 100%
 
John A wrote in his blog:

Sources have since told the Courant that Warlick will not reschedule UConn out of respect to Summitt’s wishes and that while Summitt’s relationship with Auriemma has apparently mended, Warlick apparently is not ready to forgive and forget.

Sounds like Holly is not the one who isn't ready to forgive and forget. Some inconsistent statements coming out of Knoxville are beginning to make sense. I doubt Holly expected the reaction she received.
Tough to reconcile. My guess is that Holy knew the answer was no and spun this response to the media.
 
Seems clear no in season game is happening anytime soon. The UConn conditions are the rough equivalent of asking Robert E. Lee to apologize to William Tecumseh Sherman, or so it will or does doubtlessly appear to those in the Tenn program. Pat was always imperious, prickly and entitled and for many years when she said hop the NCAA women's committee hopped. That Tenn's ridiculous, slanderous gambit failed was probably beyond bitter to her and her acolyte Warwick. Let them stew in it.
Ironic comparision since Lee did refuse to engage Sherman during Sherman's march to the sea. It didn't work out well for Lee either.
 
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I think that if a coach makes comments about a competing coach's personal life with the intent of gaining an advantage with a recruit that might be considered cheating. I.E "You don't want to play for them, their coach kicks her dog whenever they lose"

I don't know if Auriemma actually made comments about Summitt. I believe that she thought he did.

I believe many female coaches tell recruits they don't want to play for a man, they'd rather play for a women coach??????????? Just something to think about. Geno has been beat up on many occasions by female coaches recruiting like its cold in CT, its in the middle of nowhere for example. Now that UConn is on top of WCBB there isn't much that can be said.
 
as a texas fan during the conradt era - it amazed me reading all the hate and jealousy on that other board. i remember that betty beanster as she was called always had her bloomers in a wad. and that maria was a joke. just to hear her go on and on and on about Uconn & the hate towards Geno made my behind want to dip snuff. and who the hell was doc cherie??
i thought that scandal that they created was so stupid. it backfired on them for sure.

i still remember that great game in atlanta on 2003. that was a barn burner for sure!!! thank the lord that "she" is gone. hell i wont even want to mention her name ever again. we are happy with who we have now and as im sure you know we finally have a coach and staff who can recruit the state of Texas and not stuck in quick sand like it was for the past 5 years.
 
I will say again that I do believe that the onset of Pat's Alzheimer's may well have played into the situation, as well. The issues of dementia often play to the issues of paranoia. Pat's statements and actions at the time seem to show a degree of paranoia and the inability to be specific about details, also, can be readily related to memory issues. It is not possible to say for sure but the averasge time from onset to diagnosis is about 3.2 years last I knew.
Very likely, especially considering the 30+ pages of mindless confused blather, a sign that something wasn't right in the Pat Head. But pulling that doc all together indicates a cabal of CREEP-style acolytes (hope that's not too political, Boo) behind Pat who were ready to shovel all the crap for their exalted rockerless leader. And it's clear from the "forgive and forget" language that nothing has really changed down in Knox-land with Saint Pat sitting in her reliquary, and they will ride their attitude into the sunset. Having any contact with UTenn at this point makes you want to run for a long hot shower, which is a pity, because at one time UConn-UTenn couldn't be beat.
 
no link to the 37 pages for the newbies

btw where is B&WKid?
 
Very likely, especially considering the 30+ pages of mindless confused blather, a sign that something wasn't right in the Pat Head. But pulling that doc all together indicates a cabal of CREEP-style acolytes (hope that's not too political, Boo) behind Pat who were ready to shovel all the crap for their exalted rockerless leader. And it's clear from the "forgive and forget" language that nothing has really changed down in Knox-land with Saint Pat sitting in her reliquary, and they will ride their attitude into the sunset. Having any contact with UTenn at this point makes you want to run for a long hot shower, which is a pity, because at one time UConn-UTenn couldn't be beat.


DB, don't be so sensitive...

I too agree that Pat's illness is one of the likely drivers of the troubles. Paranoia and unhealthy fixation are early symptoms... I would add one additional element... it could reasonably be argued that some of the "CREEP-style acolytes" played a central role in the birth and nourishment of this sad saga beyond the vile drivel that became such a large part of the identity of The Summitt in the weeks, months and years leading up to and after the complaint was filed. Now there's a run-on sentence for ya...

Think about the info that was contained in the SEC/TN complaint... It was filled to the gills with items that were a constant part of daily diet of The Summitt's world in the days leading up to the filing. Many of us recall the obsessive parsing and dissecting of BY posts. We also recall our surprise to find Tony's and other BY luminaries words used as "key evidence" of Geno's dastardly deeds. Think back to the issue of the candy bars & blimps homemade recruit signs... And then the darkest of all the issues::: The Wendy's Fries.... What really got them so excited about those french fires? Did PHS prefer deep fried onion rings? Or mebbe, Pork rings??? And why no bacon??? What's up with that?

Ask yourself how did PHS/PHS's staff even become aware of those BY posts? Who do you think may have given them to her? Did UTenn have a phalanx of staff members monitoring all of the fan boards looking for tidbits that may aid them in dropping a dime on their opponents?

All one has to do is consider who would have even known about those BY post and then have the necessary access in order to PHS to give those BY posts to her or her staff?

It's not much of a stretch to ponder the possibilities that few of those "CREEP-style acolytes" may have played a key role in the ugliness as many of them have repeatably pointed out their close ties to the key figures. That's worth at least a good solid, Hmmmmm...

I'm so very happy that we don't play them anymore and even more happy that The Summitt is a private board these days... I've had more than my fill of their hair-brained theories, non-sensical accusations and that dismal thing that passes for "logic" in the hills covered by the orange mist ::::::Ahh, but the strawberries that's... that's where I had them. They laughed at me and made jokes but I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt and with... geometric logic... that a duplicate key to the lockerroom icebox DID exist, and I'd have produced that key if they hadn't of pulled the Summitt out of action. I, I, I know now they were only trying to protect some fellow WCBB programs...
I hope that we never meet them on the court again. I draw no pleasure from their vile drama.

YOPB
 
I've always believed Pat's decision to cancel the series was all about recruiting and had nothing to do with things she believed were said about her personal life. She said he cheated at recruiting and Geno said that's what Pat told him. But as Geno also said, she didn't have the guts to say it publicly and answer questions about her charges because she wouldn't have been able to do so without looking and sounding petty and ridiculous. So, instead, she chose the cowardly and manipulative path: "Geno knows."

I'm pleased Geno has taken the stance that Tennessee has some explaining to do. Summitt publicly attacked Geno's integrity and the integrity of his program and some of his players without backing up her accusations. She did that on more than one occasion, including after he had been chosen to be the next Olympic Coach. Seriously, what male coach would be able to do that without the national media crashing down on him? Imagine Coach K or Dean Smith publicly accusing the other of cheating in recruiting and not backing up those accusations with facts. Although the Connecticut media had plenty to say about the matter, the national media refused to demand that Summitt back up her accusations. I think this may explain why Geno felt it was better to occupy the high ground for much of the past few years. Now, given an opportunity to speak directly to the accusers, he has quietly yet firmly defended himself, his coaches, his players (hello Maya) and his program. The ball is now in Holly's court.


agree - with everything here.
 
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