ACC votes to add Stanford, Cal, SMU: Conference presidents approve expansion to 18 schools

[LoyalFanCT]

This is going to be huge for SMU. It will be on a level playing field with Miami, Duke and Wake, as long as that lasts, in a football crazy market. Sure, college sports in boston is for the birds, but Dallas is such a football crazed area and great sports town. I could see kids wanting to go to Dallas as opposed to Lubbock or Waco. SMU could upgrade lacrosse to varsity and recruit texas like crazy. Bring in Tulane and Rice and 2 more publics, in the other direction.

would this include UConn?

 

[KryHavok]

Ohio St is the biggest B10 brand and it was an exciting game. A high rating was not a surprise.
An exciting game against FSU would do well too (tho prob not as good as OSU.).

I tuned in cuz I wanted to watch Notre Dame lose, at home, on primetime, with their shiny helmets.

 

[Rufus]

Your regular reminder that a TV rating is the average over the entire broadcast. Close games, which lose few switching off and gain switchers on, do on average well. Blowouts/boring games do the opposite and will on average have a lesser rating.

Ohio St is the biggest B10 brand and it was an exciting game. A high rating was not a surprise.
An exciting game against FSU would do well too (tho prob not as good as OSU.).

Week 1 Ohio State @ Indiana was the highest rated Week 1 game on CBS since 1998.

https://www.si.com/college/indiana/football/indiana-vs-ohio-state-football-sets-cbs-viewership-records

 

[billybud]

While intersectional made-for-TV games often draw large audiences, it is much more difficult for most intraconference games to surpass the very solid 3 million viewer threshold.

... an audience of more than 4 million for an intraconference game, has happened far more often in the Big Ten and the SEC than it has in any other league over the last decade or so.

 

[JeepCSC]

Nielsen wise, 2020 Clemson-ND seems to have topped the final NBC numbers (5.3). But streaming might have tipped the total audience to Saturday’s game. Also Ohio State-ND’s 2022 had a 5.2 share, but it’s ad money went to ABC.

In the end, ND does best when playing top-ranked teams. B10 has more natural rivals, as it has had for a century. If they ever do get over their independence fears, maybe they’ll get over their B10 fears all at the same time.

 

[huskymedic]

 

[Kolumbo]

Liberty is 4-0 with wins over Bowling Green, New Mexico State, Buffalo, and our good friends from FIU (38-6 btw). It plays ODU from the Sun Belt, UMass, and the rest are C-USA games. It could probably go undefeated this year just in time to replace UVA.

 

[Vowelguy]

Liberty is 4-0 with wins over Bowling Green, New Mexico State, Buffalo, and our good friends from FIU (38-6 btw). It plays ODU from the Sun Belt, UMass, and the rest are C-USA games. It could probably go undefeated this year just in time to replace UVA.

Haha. The ACC would actually take UConn before they’d add Liberty.

 

[NE Football]

I think the ACC will get the leftovers from the Big 12 after the B1G & SEC take the teams they want. This will give us another shot at the Big 12 unless what’s left of the Big 12 joins the MWC

 

[Banta55]

I think the ACC will get the leftovers from the Big 12 after the B1G & SEC take the teams they want. This will give us another shot at the Big 12 unless what’s left of the Big 12 joins the MWC

No Big 12 won't get raided UConn , Memphis , S. Florida are on the ACC radar.

 

[DFW HOYA]

Was referring more to stadium size, they don't need a 60,000 seat stadium for most of their home games. If they have Notre Dame or Oklahoma at home then they could easily move that game to the Cotton Bowl to max out ticket revenue

Its current stadium is smaller than Rentschler Field, though a new end zone project is underway.

 

[Ha Who]

No Big 12 won't get raided UConn , Memphis , S. Florida are on the ACC radar.

 

[Vowelguy]

I think the ACC will get the leftovers from the Big 12 after the B1G & SEC take the teams they want. This will give us another shot at the Big 12 unless what’s left of the Big 12 joins the MWC

What leftovers? Where are the B12 teams going?

 

[AZHuskiePop]

UConn is in a difficult but not untenable position . If you. believe things will work out by maintaining the status quo you’re condemned to repeat failure.
We devalued ourselves on the market and it’s within our power to reverse it.
The plan:?
1.,Invest in football $5,000 ,000 to $10,000,000 annually for 5 years mostly in staff and recruiting effort .the goal is to be competitive .with 75% of the P programs
2. Increase the the value of BB making it a more important consideration in CR than it has been .. Getting the return on our tournament fron 17% to 50% . The current return is appalling and the increase does not affect another sports program by simply modifying the Mission of the NCAA.
3. Leverage womens basketball as it’s the biggest growth potential in the short term and is currently undervalued .

 

[Slasher]

SMU is so valuable because of the Dallas market. Right? Right? Oh... oops:

Only 18,000 people watched their game. Yikes.

 

[CL82]

SMU is so valuable because of the Dallas market. Right? Right? Oh... oops:
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Only 18,000 people watched their game. Yikes.

When I read that 18,000 I thought you meant watched the game in person.

Yikes, indeed.

 

[Vowelguy]

SMU is so valuable because of the Dallas market. Right? Right? Oh... oops:
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Only 18,000 people watched their game. Yikes.

I understood the Dallas argument to be about ACCN getting added to DFW cable lineups, which would mean increased ACCN revenue. Granted increased carriage is not the cash cow it once was, but every little bit helps.

Also I would say that I watch games that are free. Aint no amount of money I would pay additionally to watch FSU-Clemson. But if Duke-Wake is the closest game as part of my existing cable TV sub, I may watch. In other words, just becoming available will increase viewership, and maybe even develop a following over time.

I suspect that part of that calculation was that SMU was once the king of NIL. Only problem was that it was 40 years ago and it was illegal then.

Lastly, is 18k viewers the correct interpretation? I didnt realize Nielsen ratings had that kind of precision, but I'm more used to looking at national numbers.

 

[billybud]

SMU is valuable because they brought in carriage fees for the whole state of Texas for the ACCN (in-state fee versus non footprint fee)...plus they play for free and give you their money.

 

[billybud]

There are 70 million people in CA and TX. That's what matters here. Let's say there's 15 million cable subscriptions between the two. If the ACC's in-market subscription fees increase $1.25 per month, you're looking at $225 million in new revenue per year. Throw in a potential Apple TV streaming deal, you start seeing why Stanford, Cal, and SMU are in the mix.

 

[uconnyankee]

I thought I read the combined attendance for Cal and Stanford games was about 5,000

 

[NE Football]

It’s still shocking that Cal would get chosen over us. You don’t need two teams from the same market. Even SMU getting the call over us is shocking given how bad they are at everything.

 

[Chin Diesel]

It’s still shocking that Cal would get chosen over us. You don’t need two teams from the same market. Even SMU getting the call over us is shocking given how bad they are at everything.

The San Fran metro and DFW metro areas alone have more population than the state of Connecticut. Academic reputations of both Cali schools are in a different level than UConn and SMU usually ranks near UConn.

I'm as disappointed and somewhat shocked as much as anyone over UConn still being on the outside. Stanford, and SMU being in a conference named the Atlantic Coast Conference makes no sense to me either.

But suggesting others can't or shouldn't find value in two schools in the San Fran metro or the DFW metro's #4 school doesn't make sense either.

 

[buddy]

It’s still shocking that Cal would get chosen over us. You don’t need two teams from the same market. Even SMU getting the call over us is shocking given how bad they are at everything.

You can mock Cal and SMU all you want, but they are in and we are out. Between 1989 and 2018, SMU is 5-0 against UConn in football, so they are not bad at everything as you state. I imagine that both the ACC and The Big 12 anti UConn contingent are gloating over our football season so far, with an "I told you so!"

 

[JeepCSC]

SMU is paying around $200 million for the privilege. It might not be that surprising they got in.

 

[CL82]

The San Fran metro and DFW metro areas alone have more population than the state of Connecticut. Academic reputations of both Cali schools are in a different level than UConn and SMU usually ranks near UConn.

I'm as disappointed and somewhat shocked as much as anyone over UConn still being on the outside. Stanford, and SMU being in a conference named the Atlantic Coast Conference makes no sense to me either.

But suggesting others can't or shouldn't find value in two schools in the San Fran metro or the DFW metro's #4 school doesn't make sense either.

True, but being in a metro area and having fans who are actually interested in you can be two different things. For both of the schools, they are.

 

[billybud]

I do think that football success is important...but it really comes down to money...

....Play for free like SMU for a decade? Who woulda thunk it a few years back?

And, like the Big 12 and Big Ten, the ACC goes to a multi time zone conference....and

..... giving ESPN the ability to fill late-night broadcast windows with Cal and Stanford home games could help replace some slots vacated by the network’s expiring Pac-12 deal.

 

[pj]

SMU is valuable because they brought in carriage fees for the whole state of Texas for the ACCN (in-state fee versus non footprint fee)...plus they play for free and give you their money.

At 6 million cable households in Texas, $1/month in-state carriage fee, that's $72 million per year so that 18,000 SMU fans can watch a dozen football games.

No wonder cable companies are losing subscribers.

 

[billybud]

Yes...

But 8n 2002, SMU averaged more viewers per game than VT, Marshall, Houston, Memphis, Duke...

 

[Vowelguy]

At 6 million cable households in Texas, $1/month in-state carriage fee, that's $72 million per year so that 18,000 SMU fans can watch a dozen football games.

No wonder cable companies are losing subscribers.

Why would Houston or San Antonio cable carry the ACCN ?

SMU may have rich alums, but it’s a small FBS private school (7000 undergrads).
Total enrolled of 12k is 119th out of 133.

 

[JeepCSC]

Carriage fees for conference networks have been statewide in the past. Whether cable views it as a bridge too far with SMU/Stanford/Cal remains to be seen.

Also small private schools are kinda the ACC‘s jam. Notre Dame, Wake Forest, Duke.