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$50m is a huge amount of money for a university

The kind of money that forces universities to cut programs

All anyone needs to look at is the rise of tuition. You have 19,000 undergrads paying 19,500 a year in tuition. You could defray that by removing the $500 student fee for sports, and the $2600 per student that makes up the $50m deficit.

Without adding that $50m to a single academic program, you could reduce the tuition per student by $3000. As your tuition rises to the $20k per year range, you will be forced to make this decision. Sooner, rather than later. It has to happen. Because the costs are unsustainable.
I agree, but it’s already way past $20k in total costs. The “tuition” number is a sleight of hand.

 
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So what you’re saying is that maybe SMU wasn’t insane to offer to take no money to start?
Imagine that.
There is no way tourney credits are worth $9 million per team.
 
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Why was it tone deaf? It was long overdue. There isn’t anybody in the legislature with enough brainpower to screw in a lightbulb. It’s a bunch of morons. They’ve been treating UConn like a milk cow for decades. Trying to use it shore up crumbling cities that they let go to hello. That came after more decades of treating it like “Cousin Eddie”, an unwanted necessity.

They remain blind to the reality that the poor situation UConn is facing is their fault. They lacked vision then and they still lack vision now. They’re arrogant.
All true, but it still was tone deaf. That's the kind of observation that was best made quietly and privately. Plus, since the bulk of the reduction in funding to the university was due to no longer existing federal Covid funds, she played her Trump card both early and effectively. I'm sure she's brilliant at what she does, but she needs to let people help her in the areas that she's unfamiliar with. I'm sure that's a lesson learned.
 
There is no way tourney credits are worth $9 million per team.
As unlikable as it is for UConn’s overall-athletic dept to continue being on the outside looking in and for SMU now being in the newest ACC, more than enough SMU old ranching, oil & gas, etc dinero easily stepped up to cover any lost revenues.

Different world than UConn’s current gold coast relationship. As low as SMU is on the DFW/Texas gridiron and hoops support spectrum, availability on the cheap and TX recruiting access made the very good school attractive to the newest ACC. Sukcs!
 
Don't disagree with your argument, just don't know when the cost in general or athletic fees specifically bite us in the butt. How long do you hold a losing stock before you divest and say I made a bad decision, cut your losses and run? My guess with the "Athletic Investment" shouldered by the students, we "divest" or "cut our losses" when kids stop coming to UConn because of the athletic fees, and cost in general. When will that be????
You have a duty to ALL citizens of the state, not only the rich or upper middle class.

It's still a public institution.

If you ask me, UConn is actually past the point of affordability for the average citizen of the state.
 
You have a duty to ALL citizens of the state, not only the rich or upper middle class.

It's still a public institution.

If you ask me, UConn is actually past the point of affordability for the average citizen of the state.
How are their need based aid packages? How is their Academic Scholarship funding? Not all fundraising goes to Academics and Athletics. Some goes toward FA.
 
How are their need based aid packages? How is their Academic Scholarship funding? Not all fundraising goes to Academics and Athletics. Some goes toward FA.
Almost no state schools give a significant amount of financial aid. There may be programs in some states funded by the legislature, but typically the school has nothing to do with that. Quite the opposite, schools are sometimes expected to fund those programs in part, which makes no sense really.

My main point however holds. UConn has almost no headroom left when it comes to tuition.
 
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Does UConn require each student/family to pay a fee for athletics outside tuition and room and board? If anyone knows - I would like to know what is the number?
 
Conference realignment isn’t done yet and the geographical misfit of some of these newly formed conferences is so dumb that it’s not gonna hold up long term. I also think the future of media is going to move toward single teams vs. single conferences. The top of the top football schools like Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan, Clemson, etc are subsidizing their conferences and at some point they could pull a Texas or Notre Dame and opt to strike their own media contract deal. Streaming is only going to further drive this. These decisions are now clearly not being made with clear heads and I’m not sure what the ACC has against UConn, but honestly I think we will end up in a better spot than most of these ACC teams.
 
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Almost no state schools give a significant amount of financial aid. There may be programs in some states funded by the legislature, but typically the school has nothing to do with that. Quite the opposite, schools are sometimes expected to fund those programs in part, which makes no sense really.

My main point however holds. UConn has almost no headroom left when it comes to tuition.
I know you work in schools but what do you mean by this? Everyone I know who goes to UConn receives significant financial aid.
 
Does UConn require each student/family to pay a fee for athletics outside tuition and room and board? If anyone knows - I would like to know what is the number?
Athletics is included under the General University Fee which for 2023-2024 is $785/semester.

The first Athletic Annual Report released ?Wednesday has this blurb/slide:

“How Athletics Uses Student Fees

The Division of Athletics is one of several departments on campus that receives a portion of its funding through student fees.

Other departments on campus that receive partial funding through student fees include Recreational Services, One Card Office, Jorgensen Center for the Performing Arts, Student Activities and Student Union, and the Off-Campus Student Services Office. In FY23, $5.6 million in student fees were allocated to athletics for services and value provided to the student body:
  • Tickets to all UConn athletic events are free.
  • Athletics facilities are made available rent-free for a variety of student run organizations and events.
  • Hundreds of students are provided employment opportunities throughout the department.
  • The Division of Athletics pays the student fees for its student-athletes on scholarship.
  • Operating costs related to student-section management, including security, as well as the overall maintenance and upkeep of shared facilities from rentals.
 
B'casters last night were saying they've already decided to do away with divisions.
Which is why it ultimately makes the most sense for the programs in power to split off and make 4 12-team conferences. May not be 64 teams like our basketball-centric minds thought. I still think that overall we should be comfortably be in that 48 team rapture
 
Athletics is included under the General University Fee which for 2023-2024 is $785/semester.

The first Athletic Annual Report released ?Wednesday has this blurb/slide:

“How Athletics Uses Student Fees

The Division of Athletics is one of several departments on campus that receives a portion of its funding through student fees.

Other departments on campus that receive partial funding through student fees include Recreational Services, One Card Office, Jorgensen Center for the Performing Arts, Student Activities and Student Union, and the Off-Campus Student Services Office. In FY23, $5.6 million in student fees were allocated to athletics for services and value provided to the student body:
  • Tickets to all UConn athletic events are free.
  • Athletics facilities are made available rent-free for a variety of student run organizations and events.
  • Hundreds of students are provided employment opportunities throughout the department.
  • The Division of Athletics pays the student fees for its student-athletes on scholarship.
  • Operating costs related to student-section management, including security, as well as the overall maintenance and upkeep of shared facilities from rentals.
So my question is.....Is this standard in most Universities? Seems like a good chunk of money each semester
 
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I know you work in schools but what do you mean by this? Everyone I know who goes to UConn receives significant financial aid.
That's a surprise to me. At UB, almost no one receives it. It's how things always used to be.

I'm assuming you don't mean student loans.

In NY state, families that make under $125k receive financial aid from the state, but not the university.

UConn may be moving to a private school type model if it's giving people aid and charging others $19500.
 
So my question is.....Is this standard in most Universities? Seems like a good chunk of money each semester
It's almost impossible to measure, but you can figure it out by looking at the student fees given to the athletic department. That would give you a better sense of the subsidy. In other words, don't look at the charge, look at the ADs budget for the total amount of student fee subsidy.
 
Does UConn require each student/family to pay a fee for athletics outside tuition and room and board? If anyone knows - I would like to know what is the number?
Just curious: what B1G school do you support?
 
Look I can’t sugarcoat this, it sucks not getting into a power 4 (so far) but all I can say is sometimes when things look dire, UConn seems to turn it around and shock all of us. Here, let me show you, and hopefully cheer you boys up a little bit:



 
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That's a surprise to me. At UB, almost no one receives it. It's how things always used to be.

I'm assuming you don't mean student loans.

In NY state, families that make under $125k receive financial aid from the state, but not the university.

UConn may be moving to a private school type model if it's giving people aid and charging others $19500.
I thought most of what UConn offered was merit based, not need based. My friend's daughter was valedictorian. She's pocketing money. That type of excellence should ne rewarded IMO. She's doing mechanical engineering so, she's continued kicking ass.
 
That's a surprise to me. At UB, almost no one receives it. It's how things always used to be.

I'm assuming you don't mean student loans.

In NY state, families that make under $125k receive financial aid from the state, but not the university.

UConn may be moving to a private school type model if it's giving people aid and charging others $19500.
UConn students get substantial student aid. The average in state pre-aid cost is $35.8k and the average after-aid cost is $21.7k. That is why UConn is still a relative bargain for in-state kids. Of course, if your parents are making $200k per year, you are probably not getting any financial help.
 
That's a surprise to me. At UB, almost no one receives it. It's how things always used to be.

I'm assuming you don't mean student loans.

In NY state, families that make under $125k receive financial aid from the state, but not the university.

UConn may be moving to a private school type model if it's giving people aid and charging others $19500.
I don't know how it all works but I know some happy dads that their kids chose UConn. One of them is a Syracuse dad and UConn hater, he said what UConn offered was too great for his son to even think about Syracuse.
 
UConn students get substantial student aid. The average in state pre-aid cost is $35.8k and the average after-aid cost is $21.7k. That is why UConn is still a relative bargain for in-state kids. Of course, if your parents are making $200k per year, you are probably not getting any financial help.
200k ain't all that much, when trying to pay 36k a year, and when you factor back to back kids like i had forget about it. We will have probably have like 20k for each kid.
 
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