ACC by Tues?

[HuskyHawk]

It also unites the entire New England and NY area for the ACC. BC was always the outliers. Syracuse might have helped but adding UConn links BC to the rest of the conference. BC would have a like minded fanbase in New England and a natural rival.

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Exactly. New England and upstate NY become clearly ACC country. Nobody else even has a claim. NY metro is divided up. Remember, ND is extremely strong in NY, so adding UConn to Cuse helps bolter our claim. There are five relevant programs in NY: RU, ND, Uconn, Cuse and PSU.

 

[J187Money]

Wait until the ACC outbids the NNNNNNBE for the ACC Tourney at MSG!

 

[businesslawyer]

Wait until the ACC outbids the NNNNNNBE for the ACC Tourney at MSG!

The ACC would presumably be o.k. playing the event in MSG on a rotation, but I don't ever see it being willing to go to the Garden every year. which means it won't be able to outbid an east coast conference that does want to use the garden every year.

 

[Danzz]

well, for him to be right, assuming that the commentary from last night that the ACC ahd not called UConn means that after the announcement from MD, the ACC called Herbst and Manuel, they will be able to call a BoT meeting and get the votes all by tomorrow. I guess its possible...UConnMoney would know

The BoT may have already given a verbal go ahead.

 

[Jericho]

I would have thought the same but nowadays, who knows? Does this make it easier for full strength Mich/OSU/Neb/PSU teams to go 12-0 or 11-1? Beating up on 6-8 bad teams under a brand conference name umbrella seems to work for the SEC.

All the while growing Big Ten FB in two densely populated areas funded by increased TV fees. Sounds like a sound long term plan. The only negative is that the programs in question are historically horrible.

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Here's what I don't get. The ACC is always looked at as the weak link among the Power Conferences. But wouldn't an ACC network running up and down the East Coast and hitting some of the most populous states in the nation (Massachusetts, New York, Pennsylvania, Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia, and Florida) be arguably the best geographic footprint of any conference? Sure, people will still need to want to watch these schools play. And the ACC does not necessarily have the raw passion that other conferences have (like the Big 10 or SEC). But they're not littered with nobodies either. Since most of the conference network content is already second and third tier (much of the best stuff remains on the biggest channels like ESPN and the Networks), the strength of basketball should be more important.

Of course, an ACC network would be at least ten plus years away since their current rights deal remains in place. But if one is real forward looking, couldn't the ACC look way better than say the Big 12 (limited to not much more than Texas and some smaller states)? And if this is really all about the markets and how other conferences want in on the ACC's markets (like NC and Virginia for the SEC or Big 10 or Florida and Georgia/SC for the Big 12), why not just stand pat and wait it out?

 

[The Funster]

I think the ACC blew it when they decided not to pursue their own network.

 

[UconnFamily]

http://www.bcinterruption.com/2012/...ion-uconn-louisville-cincinnati-south-florida

Although it may seem Uconn and Louisville are the clear favorites, Cincinnati and South Florida are in the talks with the ACC as well

 

[Adios]

Forget Cincinnati and USF. A global version of the AAU?

http://www.universitas21.com/member

UVA is a co-member.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Here's what I don't get. The ACC is always looked at as the weak link among the Power Conferences. But wouldn't an ACC network running up and down the East Coast and hitting some of the most populous states in the nation (Massachusetts, New York, Pennsylvania, Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia, and Florida) be arguably the best geographic footprint of any conference? Sure, people will still need to want to watch these schools play. And the ACC does not necessarily have the raw passion that other conferences have (like the Big 10 or SEC). But they're not littered with nobodies either. Since most of the conference network content is already second and third tier (much of the best stuff remains on the biggest channels like ESPN and the Networks), the strength of basketball should be more important.

Of course, an ACC network would be at least ten plus years away since their current rights deal remains in place. But if one is real forward looking, couldn't the ACC look way better than say the Big 12 (limited to not much more than Texas and some smaller states)? And if this is really all about the markets and how other conferences want in on the ACC's markets (like NC and Virginia for the SEC or Big 10 or Florida and Georgia/SC for the Big 12), why not just stand pat and wait it out?

They are in better shape than the Big 12 to anyone looking past this year. More people, growing states like NC, SC, VA and GA. They have geographic cohesion, and mindshare in their region (albeit mostly around basketball). All it takes is for one of two programs to return to prior success (BC, Miami) and it's a damned good football league.

The Big 12 is losing its identity. With Nebraska, Missouri and Colorado defecting, the footprint shrinks dramatically. WVU was possibly a mistake for them. I still think the smart move for them long term is to change the name back to the Southwest conference, and go after Nevada, New Mexico, BYU and one of Colorado State/Utah State/UNLV/.

 

[Adios]

I still think the smart move for them long term is to change the name back to the Southwest conference, and go after Nevada, New Mexico, BYU and one of Colorado State/Utah State/UNLV/.

Don't forget Boise State. If they can take in WVU, they can take in Boise State.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Don't forget Boise State. If they can take in WVU, they can take in Boise State.

Hardly. Boise State would be a bad community college if it were a community college. The other sports are horrible. Not even Big Sky worthy, let along any other league. Boise's best days are already behind them.

 

[Jericho]

They are in better shape than the Big 12 to anyone looking past this year. More people, growing states like NC, SC, VA and GA. They have geographic cohesion, and mindshare in their region (albeit mostly around basketball). All it takes is for one of two programs to return to prior success (BC, Miami) and it's a damned good football league.

The Big 12 is losing its identity. With Nebraska, Missouri and Colorado defecting, the footprint shrinks dramatically. WVU was possibly a mistake for them. I still think the smart move for them long term is to change the name back to the Southwest conference, and go after Nevada, New Mexico, BYU and one of Colorado State/Utah State/UNLV/.

I would agree with you on the Big 12. Louisville would be a solid add, but there's untapped potential in the Southwest. There are actual bona fide state schools not in a big conference, some them even the biggest schools in the state. New Mexico, Nevada/UNLV, and Colorado St are perfect examples. Hell, even San Deigo State offers a fair amoount. Population wise, these states (not counting California) are not that far off from Kansas or Iowa and are actually bigger than Nebraska or West Virginia. You get a New Mexico into the Big 12 and give them 15 years, maybe they pull a Baylor. Plus the area's growing. That's a lot to like.

 

[Adios]

Wait until the ACC outbids the NNNNNNBE for the ACC Tourney at MSG!

Barclays is another place to give a shot. But I'd certainly prefer MSG.

 

[RS9999X]

I would agree with you on the Big 12. Louisville would be a solid add, but there's untapped potential in the Southwest. There are actual bona fide state schools not in a big conference, some them even the biggest schools in the state. New Mexico, Nevada/UNLV, and Colorado St are perfect examples. Hell, even San Deigo State offers a fair amoount. Population wise, these states (not counting California) are not that far off from Kansas or Iowa and are actually bigger than Nebraska or West Virginia. You get a New Mexico into the Big 12 and give them 15 years, maybe they pull a Baylor. Plus the area's growing. That's a lot to like.

There's quite a bit to be said about Mexican Americans and their sports preferences. ESPN and Univision Sports are usually Soccer and Baseball and more culturally accepted sports. American Football is stuggling with that audence well behind baseball, basketball and Soccer or even UFC and other MMA. It's possible a day comes when Football is no longer the dominant US sport.

 

[UConnKev]

I'm told Big 12, Pac-12 will stay put at current numbers, but UConn(slight edge) and Louisville in play for ACC to replace Maryland.
From Kirk Bohls, Austin Statesmen on twitter.

 

[uconnell]

Also, why does everyone seem to think just because Warde is BFF with Master Bates that BC won't be an issue for us? This issue isn't being handled at the AD level. It's on the presidential level. Susan said that last year, and unfortunately for us, Leahy still runs BC and he hates us.

The Midget at Miami doesn't like us either. Tra la la la.......

 

[MattMang23]

The Midget at Miami doesn't like us either. Tra la la la.......

Indeed. I think Miami is firmly against us.

 

[UCFBfan]

Miami might as well be considered a dead Football program to the ACC....their vote shouldn't count! BTW....wtf is taking the NCAA so long on those sanctions?!?

 

[sportsart]

Miami might as well be considered a dead Football program to the ACC....their vote shouldn't count! BTW....wtf is taking the NCAA so long on those sanctions?!?

It's not easy to get into all the prisons to interview the players.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Yes it is. Because if LV knew they were going to the ACC, Pitino would know.

I heard that he got so excited he dribbled a little down his leg.

 

[HuskyHawk]

The ACC would presumably be o.k. playing the event in MSG on a rotation, but I don't ever see it being willing to go to the Garden every year. which means it won't be able to outbid an east coast conference that does want to use the garden every year.

I agree and could see rotating the ACC championship game between NC, NYC and maybe Atlanta.

But can someone explain this fascination with MSG? I don't get it. Outside of the NY metro area it is just an old, substandard arena with lousy sight-lines. There is no more magic associated with the place. Barclays in Brooklyn is sure to be much nicer. I felt the same way about all the proposed football games in Yankee Stadium discussed on the board. Who the hell would want that? The Bronx is a s**thole that is hardly conducive to tailgating, and the stadium would be terrible for football.

 

[upstater]

I agree and could see rotating the ACC championship game between NC, NYC and maybe Atlanta.

But can someone explain this fascination with MSG? I don't get it. Outside of the NY metro area it is just an old, substandard arena with lousy sight-lines. There is no more magic associated with the place. Barclays in Brooklyn is sure to be much nicer. I felt the same way about all the proposed football games in Yankee Stadium discussed on the board. Who the hell would want that? The Bronx is a s**thole that is hardly conducive to tailgating, and the stadium would be terrible for football.

The old Boston Garden sucked too. But the game and aura there was electric. The new arenas just don't bring it. There is something about the lighting and the sightlines at MSG that make the viewer hone in on the action, as though watching on a TV set. In these new arenas, you feel like you've been tossed into an aircraft hangar for reasons unknown.

 

[HuskyHawk]

The old Boston Garden sucked too. But the game and aura there was electric. The new arenas just don't bring it. There is something about the lighting and the sightlines at MSG that make the viewer hone in on the action, as though watching on a TV set. In these new arenas, you feel like you've been tossed into an aircraft hangar for reasons unknown.

I have enjoyed it for the BE conference tournament, but I don't think that most people in the younger generations or outside of NY, attach much of an aura to it anymore. We make too much of it.

Edit: BTW, having watched lots of games in Allen Fieldhouse in Lawrence, I do agree that the old places can be electric. So much more exciting a venue than Gampel.

 

[CTMike]

It's been Tuesday for 9 whole hours already. Come oooooon let's get on with this!

 

[The Funster]

MSG is in the midst of a complete renovation. It is still the Mecca of college basketball but admittedly if the media stops referring to it in that way people will forget.

 

[KembaSlice]

I have enjoyed it for the BE conference tournament, but I don't think that most people in the younger generations or outside of NY, attach much of an aura to it anymore. We make too much of it.

I beg to differ. Me and my college buddies go down to the BET every year and we can't get enough MSG. Whether its playing a regular season game against Duke or the 6 OT game the experience is awesome (maybe its just too many beers with the pretzel stick)

 

[businesslawyer]

I agree and could see rotating the ACC championship game between NC, NYC and maybe Atlanta.

But can someone explain this fascination with MSG? I don't get it. Outside of the NY metro area it is just an old, substandard arena with lousy sight-lines. There is no more magic associated with the place. Barclays in Brooklyn is sure to be much nicer. I felt the same way about all the proposed football games in Yankee Stadium discussed on the board. Who the hell would want that? The Bronx is a s**thole that is hardly conducive to tailgating, and the stadium would be terrible for football.

1. Madison Square Garden is college basketball, and is easier to get to from all corners of the Metropolitan area than Brooklyn or Newark will ever be. I don't know how old you are, but it's really hard to understand that statement.

2. No one wants to play regularly at Yankee Stadium, but would it be fun once or twice as a lark? Sure. And how can you say it's not conducive to tailgating? Have you ever been to a Yankee game? People tailgate in the lot across the Deegan from the Stadium, and people even tailgate in the parking garage. For baseball.

 

[HuskyHawk]

1. Madison Square Garden is college basketball, and is easier to get to from all corners of the Metropolitan area than Brooklyn or Newark will ever be. I don't know how old you are, but it's really hard to understand that statement.

2. No one wants to play regularly at Yankee Stadium, but would it be fun once or twice as a lark? Sure. And how can you say it's not conducive to tailgating? Have you ever been to a Yankee game? People tailgate in the lot across the Deegan from the Stadium, and people even tailgate in the parking garage. For baseball.

I'm 46, been to MSG several times for the BET. But I've also lived outside the northeast, where 1. NY is hated and 2. few people think MSG is a big deal.

As for tailgaiting....merely attempting to drive into the city is itself not conducive to tailgaiting. NY is the worst city in America to attempt to drive into. There's a reason the Giants and Jets play in New Jersey.

 

[businesslawyer]

If you don't like traffic, you shouldn't live in the Northeast. The Yankee Stadium parkinig lots, where people tailgate, are closer to a highway than the parking in the REnt is.

Seriously, you have nothing better to whine about than this?

 

[Pudge]

MSG is COLLEGE BASKETBALL.

Yes ... I guess I am old. Watched Pete Maravich in the NIT (had to be late 60's ... right?). But, there is nothing any other arena/event has over my 20 year Plus Big East Championship attendance. There is no better experience (from lots of perspectives).

If you don't think MSG & the BET was the biggest deal going ... than you really did not experience it.