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This isn't a baseball thread. Let's get back to basketball.
AAC & Grant-of-Rights
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This isn't a baseball thread. Let's get back to basketball.
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Those were responses to someone that challenged the post.
Poaching power doesn't exist when two conferences are remotely close, especially for a coach that loves his players so much.
Bringing it back to basketball... Xavier lost alumnus Chris Mack for the same reason. Butler lost Chris Holtmann for the same reason. Marquette lost Palpable Buzz for the same reason.
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No he left and those were among the reasons. I'm not arguing that. You could make an argument its one of the most underperforming programs in the country relative to the resources they have and some of the talent they've brought in over the years.
But he didn't 'blow out of there the second he could.' It was a hard decision for him. If he wanted to, he probably could have been head coach for life. He had been winning recruiting battles against Cincinnati for years. For some people, the grass isn't always greener.
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If the money were right a GOR, though unnecessary, would be fine.
The money won't be right.
even if the new AAC deal is worth 5x the current one, which is supposedly the BEST case scenario, each school will end up getting around $10 mill per year?? compare that to the SEC and Big10 where each school gets $40-50 MILL PER YEAR! it's still peanuts
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What does the PAC get...
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Just over $30m this year... my point is no one is going to touch the B1G/SEC revenue distribution and to use it as some benchmark is silly imo.
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I know its a tough issue but I am not interested in the AAC and I am 30 year die hard UConn fan/alum who loves football. I can't bring myself to watch an AAC game that does not involve UConn and I have no interest in going to the AAC tournament.
What if Benedict rolled out a pretty good independent FB schedule with 4 or 5 P5 games a year? ACC and B1G cellar dwellers. Add Army, UMass and sometimes BYU and some G5s. Could we please go to the Big East then?? (I'm not asking if that is possible or likely - but would it be enough for those who say it is a non-starter?) I think SNY would pick up independent UConn FB and maybe ESPN3 out of market.
I just want to care again.
What if Benedict rolled out a pretty good independent FB schedule with 4 or 5 P5 games a year? ACC and B1G cellar dwellers. Add Army, UMass and sometimes BYU and some G5s. Could we please go to the Big East then?? (I'm not asking if that is possible or likely - but would it be enough for those who say it is a non-starter?) I think SNY would pick up independent UConn FB and maybe ESPN3 out of market.
I just want to care again.
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We would need scheduling agreements with conferences in order to do this. Basically, Fox would need to work their magic with the B1G, Big XII and PAC to get them all to commit to a game or two every season. The problem is that we're so bad, no one is going to agree to that.
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15 would be great. Anything under 10 is where it starts to get rough.
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So, according to some Boneyard posters logic, $5M/yr Big East > $10M/yr AAC. Added bonus: to get those $5M/yr Big East dollars, UConn would have to pay $10M-$12M.
I hope some of you aren't financial planners.
I hope some of you aren't financial planners.
i'm not using it as a benchmark. no one here ( i hope) is delusional enough to think the AAC will ever get 40-50 per year. but if you want to nitpick 10 mill is still peanuts compared to 30 (and i don't even think it will be 10). it is what it is
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I think aesthetically AAC football has some of the best stylistic play in the country.
If you like wide-open offense, it doesn't get much more creative than D'Eriq King and McKenzie Milton.
If you like defense and ball control, Cincinnati and Temple (just hired Manny Diaz) are the teams to watch.
When they have it rolling, Navy can be a lawn mower and provides a good foil.
Everyone likes what they like. I always find the AAC title game to be one of the most entertaining each season.
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You should be commissioner, you hype this league up way more than Aresco does.
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Just being honest.
Athletic quarterback play and spread offenses are visually pleasing. The NFL is adopting a lot of the concepts we've seen in the league.
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You may not be the only one thinking it, but I think it is a misguided train of thought.
the length of his contract does make me wonder though. Come 2024 we will be in the midst of the next conference realignment. i'm sure danny will have a lot of sway with the decision makers about where we ultimately end up. (assuming everything is going swimmingly on the bball court, of course).
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I'm thinking you should slow your roll a tad. Hurley's 10 games in and 2024 is over 5 years out.
By comparison, Kevin Ollie was 8-2 in his 1st 10 games with wins over #14 and 25 already. He won the National title in 2014 and was pretty much a lame duck by the beginning of conference play less than 4 years later.
hurley is the one shining ray of hope we've had in the past 3 years and you expect me to curb my enthusiasm?!?!?!
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What happened after that was UConn and Memphis fell off.
I think that was the year that Wichita State ran the table during the regular season too.
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Be as enthusiastic as you want, but this thread is not about the basketball team.
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What's the rush to join the Big East? You think they won't take us in five or six years? They're gonna be loving that $5mm/year they get from FS2 so badly they won't need the UConn brand? Don't want to dilute Creighton too much?
The Big East will take us whenever.
Right now, we're basically gambling whatever the cost of our current football losses are to get into a P5 eventually. Two scenarios:
Scenario One (current hope): Edsalls gets his own recruits and after 2-3 years, the team is competitive again. Within 5 years, they are fighting for the AAC crown and known as a decent mid-major football program. They can compete with the likes of lesser P5 schools like Illinois, Duke, Kentucky, Rutgers, etc.
When the next wave of TV contracts are up, maybe someone, whether it's the ACC or Big Ten, decides the relatively wealthy TV market of Hartford/New Haven is pretty attractive, as well as the UConn basketball brand and the not-entirely-terrible football team, and UConn gets called up.
In this case, you've spent about $13/million a year, but now you're making between $20-30 million a year in TV rights, so obviously you've done well in the long run, your athletic department is safe. You've entered the Rutgers Safety Zone.
Scenario Two (most basketball-only fans think this is the likely one): Despite best efforts, rebuilding UConn football program remains untenable. Edsall just isn't up for the job, they continue to flounder int he AAC, attendance is terrible, and they remain a very bad football team.
Whether P5 picks someone else from the AAC or not, UConn is not going anywhere.
In this case, you dump football or go Independent (or FCS?). You put basketball in the Big East, where you can recruit, but you still don't make to much money and the TV ratings are pretty bad but at least we're all pretty happy with that. Maybe revenue goes up, but it's still nothing comapred to P5. But at least it's cheap to run a basketball program so even if you aren't really making a ton of money, you aren't losing it either.
You just spent a cool $100 million on the gamble and lost.
I can't imagine a third scenario where the Big East says no in 5-6 years, but anything is possible.
I don't think it's ridiculous to take either side of this argument. We've committed so much to Scenario One, that's why we keep going. It seems the most viable way forward, even if the gamble seems quite the gamble currently. But we've committed to it for now. Some folks think the ship has sailed, it's time to give up. Some folks think another wave of realignment will come with TV contracts up in 2023 or whatever.
Both of these sides can be intelligent, reasonable sides. That you could dismiss either as "unintelligent" is only exposing your own idiocy.
But people rooting AGAINST football to get to Scenario Two faster? That just seems crazy. I am rooting for Scenario One currently, but I don't know how likely it is. But at this point, to me, the money is worth the risk, cause so much can be gained later. If we lose it, we lose it. But the only way to be sure you lose is to not play.
The Big East will take us whenever.
Right now, we're basically gambling whatever the cost of our current football losses are to get into a P5 eventually. Two scenarios:
Scenario One (current hope): Edsalls gets his own recruits and after 2-3 years, the team is competitive again. Within 5 years, they are fighting for the AAC crown and known as a decent mid-major football program. They can compete with the likes of lesser P5 schools like Illinois, Duke, Kentucky, Rutgers, etc.
When the next wave of TV contracts are up, maybe someone, whether it's the ACC or Big Ten, decides the relatively wealthy TV market of Hartford/New Haven is pretty attractive, as well as the UConn basketball brand and the not-entirely-terrible football team, and UConn gets called up.
In this case, you've spent about $13/million a year, but now you're making between $20-30 million a year in TV rights, so obviously you've done well in the long run, your athletic department is safe. You've entered the Rutgers Safety Zone.
Scenario Two (most basketball-only fans think this is the likely one): Despite best efforts, rebuilding UConn football program remains untenable. Edsall just isn't up for the job, they continue to flounder int he AAC, attendance is terrible, and they remain a very bad football team.
Whether P5 picks someone else from the AAC or not, UConn is not going anywhere.
In this case, you dump football or go Independent (or FCS?). You put basketball in the Big East, where you can recruit, but you still don't make to much money and the TV ratings are pretty bad but at least we're all pretty happy with that. Maybe revenue goes up, but it's still nothing comapred to P5. But at least it's cheap to run a basketball program so even if you aren't really making a ton of money, you aren't losing it either.
You just spent a cool $100 million on the gamble and lost.
I can't imagine a third scenario where the Big East says no in 5-6 years, but anything is possible.
I don't think it's ridiculous to take either side of this argument. We've committed so much to Scenario One, that's why we keep going. It seems the most viable way forward, even if the gamble seems quite the gamble currently. But we've committed to it for now. Some folks think the ship has sailed, it's time to give up. Some folks think another wave of realignment will come with TV contracts up in 2023 or whatever.
Both of these sides can be intelligent, reasonable sides. That you could dismiss either as "unintelligent" is only exposing your own idiocy.
But people rooting AGAINST football to get to Scenario Two faster? That just seems crazy. I am rooting for Scenario One currently, but I don't know how likely it is. But at this point, to me, the money is worth the risk, cause so much can be gained later. If we lose it, we lose it. But the only way to be sure you lose is to not play.
you directly responded to my relevant post about the AAC and realignment considerations with a Hurley/Ollie comparison so you changed the subject of the thread yourself. but also...who really cares??
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Thanks for the recap, but that is not what it was. My comment was regarding solely Hurley's sphere of influence and what it might be in 6 years based on his 1st 10 games.
Put far more simply, Hurley won't have much input on if where UConn ends up if conferences were to realign again.
Don't forget that there's more than a million a year in bowl revenue per team per year as well that wouldn't exist in the Big East.
I thought the BE got 4 million a year. I would rather stick with [hated ESPN] than go with Fox . I never watch games on Fox sports. True about the bowl $$$but if a conference mate wins something the money is split.
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