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What about Blakes (Vandy)? 🤣
50/40/90 shooting this year
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Blakes is a high-volume shooter who plays 35+ mpg and shoots 46/36/86, all of which are behind Sarah’s numbers, which is why many of us shake our heads at the idea that Blakes could win NPOY over Sarah.
Don’t get me wrong. Blakes is an outstanding player who’s carried Vandy to a great season. But she ain’t Sarah, particularly when you start looking at defensive stats.
What are KK’s 50/40/90 shooting stats after this weekend when she shot lights out accurate
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KK is now at .564/.345/.692. Very impressive FG % for a guard.
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Some more of interest:
Hidalgo: .481/.250/.835. Her 3-point percentage is a career low.
Miles: .487/.352/.844.
Tessa Johnson: .461/.441/.813
Raven Johnson: .506/.402/.833 All are career highs by a fair amount for her.
Latson: .493/.319/.793
Harmon: .453/.409/.738
Hidalgo: .481/.250/.835. Her 3-point percentage is a career low.
Miles: .487/.352/.844.
Tessa Johnson: .461/.441/.813
Raven Johnson: .506/.402/.833 All are career highs by a fair amount for her.
Latson: .493/.319/.793
Harmon: .453/.409/.738
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Different players with different reasons why they should be considered. Considering the number of shots she takes, Blakes splits are quite good and similar to Caitlin Clark during her final 2 years at Iowa when she was consensus POY. She's also a much tougher schedule than Sarah Strong has. Her splits are on par or better than the 3 previous POY winners.
Juju Watkins: 42.6/32.5/82.0
Caitlin Clark (Sr): 45.5/37.8/86.0
Caitlin Clark (Jr): 47.3/38.9/83.9
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I didn't realize Raven's splits were that high. Tessa Johnson's numbers have dropped considerably since her red hot LSU game. They'll need her to shoot well to have a shot at winning a title.
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If we define elite scorers as those whose TS% >= 59%:
- There are 170 such D1 scorers.
- Blakes is 165th (TS%=59.1%).
- Blakes has the highest USG% (32.8%) and the third highest minutes at 34.72 minutes.
- Blakes is 45th in DBPM (an all-in-one defensive stat).
- There are several other notable players (below) who are better efficient scorers and better defenders than Blakes.
- Source: Torvik.
- Seven are from UConn: Sarah (68.8%), Allie (68.8%), KK (64.7%), Serah (62.8%), Azzi (61.8%), Kayleigh (60.6%), Blanca (60.2%).
- Four are from UCLA: Kneepkens (67%), Jaquez (66.3%), Rice (61.7%), Dugalic (60.0%).
- Four are from South Carolina: Edwards (62.1%), Okot (61%), Tessa Johnson (60.5%), Raven Johnson (59.7%).
- One is from Texas: Oldacre (66.7%).
- Five are from LSU: Knox (66.0%), Johnson (62.4%), Joyner (62.1%), Koval (61.9%), Williams (60.4%).
- Four are from Vanderbilt: Mitchell (62.7%), Washington (62.2%), Pissot (60.2%), Blakes (59.1%).
- Olivia Miles has the 2nd highest minutes at 34.82% (TS% = 60.3%, USG% = 29.0%).
- Hannah Hidalgo’s TS% < 59%.
Still, Sarah is a much more efficient scorer and defender than all three.
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i think your number is not correct , I believed azzi has scored 104 3 pointers instead of 107! Out of attempt of 233 trial instead of 234. You need to verify it thoroughly with the help of AI before posting all these numbers . 107/234 is not equal to 0.446!
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Tougher schedule? Vandy’s OOC schedule was among the weakest in the country vs UConn’s OOC schedule, which was the toughest. So the schedule is pretty much a wash. This is the same question as Paige vs JuJu last year. Do you choose the scorer or the better all around basketball player. Last year the NPOY’s were split. This year, I think Sarah will walk away with the majority. The one that I want to see is the Wade Trophy, voted on by the coaches, which comes out right before the FF.
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Massey has Vanderbilt at 14, UCONN at 29 for SOS. UCONN's faced 1 team that will likely be a #2 seed (Iowa) where as Vandy has played 4 (LSU twice, Texas once, and South Carolina once). I wouldn't say that's a wash. UCONN scheduled well considering their conference but Blakes has faced tougher opponents than Strong has. People can make arguments based on efficiency, advanced stats, per minute stats, per game stats, impact on team success, etc. but both are excellent candidates and either would be very deserving if they win.
And last year Watkins won vast majority, she won 6 POY awards to Bueckers 2. Watkins (and Blakes) are both far more than just scorers. Juju was one of the top defenders in the country and a finalist for NDPOY, Blakes is an excellent creator for others and a strong defender herself. I'm not arguing that Blakes a better all around player than Sarah Strong but to insinuate she's just a scorer is inaccurate.
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I picked it up from ESPN earlier today, but it now matches your stats.
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Call me crazy but I'd consider Blakes a more elite scorer than her 3 teammates who have a higher TS% than her.
I think Sarah will win NPOY. Best player on best team and you just have to watch a few minutes to get why her stats are so good.
The Blakes story is not about stats at all...it's about leadership. The true measure of success in WBB is how many games does your team win, and how far you advance in league, league tourney and NCAA.
Like Ionescu, Plum and Clark, Blakes is elevating her team to a "final four candidate" and doing it with pretty average teammates. (Galvan was not even a top 100 recruit)
In the case of Ionescu, Plum and Clark, they led their teams to final fours, and after their departure...crickets. Jury still out on Blakes, but she still has 3 chances to lead Vandy to a final four.
Stats not perfect, but she is clearly the leader and a monster closing out games. Probably not this year, but I hope they do make a final four.
As long as Vandy remains a top 10 team, she will continue to compete with Sarah for POY awards.
The Blakes story is not about stats at all...it's about leadership. The true measure of success in WBB is how many games does your team win, and how far you advance in league, league tourney and NCAA.
Like Ionescu, Plum and Clark, Blakes is elevating her team to a "final four candidate" and doing it with pretty average teammates. (Galvan was not even a top 100 recruit)
In the case of Ionescu, Plum and Clark, they led their teams to final fours, and after their departure...crickets. Jury still out on Blakes, but she still has 3 chances to lead Vandy to a final four.
Stats not perfect, but she is clearly the leader and a monster closing out games. Probably not this year, but I hope they do make a final four.
As long as Vandy remains a top 10 team, she will continue to compete with Sarah for POY awards.
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And what about the 161 others who have much less USG% and no reliance on FTs from funky shots near the basket?
Funny that you are not addressing the obvious substance of my post.
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Watkins won all the NPOY awards voted on by sportswriters, media, business interests in Atlanta & LA, who were all enamored with scoring. Paige won the 2 awards voted on by basketball coaches, whose jobs are all about winning basketball games. Most importantly, Paige won the Wade Trophy, the oldest and most prestigious NPOY award for women’s basketball players, voted on by the WBCA.
Look, I agree that Blakes is a great scorer. But Sarah is a truly gifted generational basketball player that does more things on a basketball court than anyone I’ve ever seen, including Maya Moore. She is also the best player on the best team in college basketball. That will count for something with many voters.
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I'm not sure what point you're trying to make other than maybe claim she's an inefficient player? If you're using TS% to define elite scoring and have her ranked behind players like Mitchell, Ziebell, Heckel, and Kate Koval, you've lost me. Almost everyone that you referenced is nowhere close to being the scorer that Blakes is.
Top scorers that are heavily relied upon to produce offense aren't going to put up 50/40/90 shooting splits while playing a tough schedule. Opposing defenses focus on Blakes and if she isn't able to produce, her team loses. Vandy needs her to take 20 shots every night and to create good looks for her teammates to make their offense work at its highest level. A lot of those 20 shots will be tougher looks. She has to create on her own and isn't getting wide open catch and shoot opportunities or uncontested layups (a factor that TS% ignores). Vandy's system doesn't have the team shooting splits or talent that UCONN does, but their system works, and it works well. Prior to Blakes Vandy was known for being a low scoring, grind it out defensive team but since Blakes arrived they've emerged as one of the nation's best offensive teams in the country, averaging 83.5 and 84.7 ppg in the two seasons she's been there, and in both seasons the offense is designed to have her take a lot of shots. I'd argue that Blakes being the direct reason why Vandy went from a team that averaged mid 60s ppg to a team that averages mid 80s ppg is a better indicator of how efficient she is and the impact she's had.
Also, it comes off biased and dismissive to ignore all of Blakes' positives and instead focus so heavily on one unique stat like TS%. It also comes off as petty to make a dig about her being a FT baiter. At any rate, I apologize for hijacking this thread so I wont respond further but I hope this helps address the substance of your post.
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No doubt in my mind that Sarah is the better player and that if she had played the same number of minutes as Blakes, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. Having said that, it would not bother me at all to see them split some of these awards. Blakes is clearly an outstanding player and has led her team to places Vandy has not sniffed in years!
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TS% is an all in one offensive stat. Just like OffRtg. Except it meshes well with USG% as they are both intertwined with FGAs.
- All the shooting splits can be boiled down to TS% and USG%.
- So to evaluate Blakes the scorer, one has to look at her TS% and USG%.
- Vanderbilt does need Blakes at those levels to succeed.
- My very clear post is questioning whether Blakes is really that unicorn &1 of a scorer.
- My post is very clear that what separates Blakes — the scorer — from other elite scorers is her maximal USG% among those 170 elite scorers.
- In other words, if it were necessary for Sarah, Azzi, Joyce Edwards, Madison Booker, Mikayla Williams and Gianna Kneepkens — all of whom are better defenders than Blakes — to have Blakes’ USG% in order for their teams to be successful, they can do so;
- But their teams just need them at their USG%. And their teams are already more successful than Vanderbilt.
- I don’t think you quite understand that by questioning Blakes’ credentials for NPOY, we are not disrespecting or being dismissive of Shea or Blakes.
- We just think that Sarah is by far the superior player with the better credentials.
- Her TS% reached that level because of her stupendous amount of FTs, a lot of which come from her funky form near the basket. I have the same cringing reaction watching Juju (that other high USG% player) launch herself at defenders to get to the FT line.
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Yes, they were enamored with scoring but even more so with JuJu herself who had been hyped relentlessly for two years. Unfortunately, when the media and/or the public vote, it is often simply a popularity contest.