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DefenseBB said:
Last year was the ONLY time that any Geno team has ever finished with more Steals than Turnovers which is quite an accomplishment.
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Yes. This was discussed in a thread last season. It was done a few times in the past when the game was very different from today.
 
At the end of the day, while this is an interesting discussion, I am more focused on a player's ability to score when it matters most-tight games, pressure situations, etc. Good example was the Iowa game when Sarah score 20 the first half while everyone else, Azzi included, were clanking it. Azzi and others finished the game with positive overall stats but without Sarah's work while the game was tight, who knows what could have happened.
 
HopJim said:
At the end of the day, while this is an interesting discussion, I am more focused on a player's ability to score when it matters most-tight games, pressure situations, etc. Good example was the Iowa game when Sarah score 20 the first half while everyone else, Azzi included, were clanking it. Azzi and others finished the game with positive overall stats but without Sarah's work while the game was tight, who knows what could have happened.
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By the same token, Azzi’s clutch performance down the stretch in the MI game was critical for the Huskies in pulling out the win.
 
oldude said:
By the same token, Azzi’s clutch performance down the stretch in the MI game was critical for the Huskies in pulling out the win.
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Did you watch Mi-Oreg last night? Swords and Olsen in clutch time? Oregon slowed MI to a crawl. UConn was not inclined to do that against them. I was at that game. I’m going to rewatch it.
One. Of my head coaching roles, I wanted to institute a “system” like Paul Westhead, with a Dean Smith “blue team” to keep my last 5 involved. Press, run, uptempo. My mentor, an esteemed veteran coach in the DMV, would tell me, “somebody is always going to be better at that than you are”. MI may have been better at it that day than UConn was.
 
HopJim said:
At the end of the day, while this is an interesting discussion, I am more focused on a player's ability to score when it matters most-tight games, pressure situations, etc. Good example was the Iowa game when Sarah score 20 the first half while everyone else, Azzi included, were clanking it. Azzi and others finished the game with positive overall stats but without Sarah's work while the game was tight, who knows what could have happened.
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HopJim, say what? From the moment Serah scored the first basket at 8:40 of the first period, UConn led the entire Iowa game! The Huskies had a double digit lead at the end of Q1, Q2, Q3, so when exactly was the game "tight" - the first five minutes of the game?? The same first five minutes when Sarah was 1 for 4 and Azzi was 2 for 3?

What pressure situations? Certainly not during the 26 point win over the #11 team. What pressure situations has UConn been in this year? Maybe the second half vs. Michigan? Jeez, I wonder who came through for the Huskies then? Oh, yeah, Azzi Fudd.

Finally, allow me to nitpick your phrasing. I agree with Bob Joyce and Debbie Fiske who maintained throughout the first half against Iowa that there was nothing wrong with Azzi's jump shot: smooth, quick release, shoulders/hips/feet square to the basket, with most of the shots being "in and out" and/or barely missing. Beautiful shooting. Hardly "clanking it"?

Good grief....
 
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HopJim said:
I am more focused on a player's ability to score when it matters most-tight games, pressure situations, etc.
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This is practically a definition of Azzi's game as well as Sarah's. Against UCLA last season, Azzi scored 19 in the first half and didn't score a point in the second half. But she didn't need to. Those 19 points built the lead they never surrendered, and forced UCLA to focus on her the rest of the game. That's the way it goes some games. In her sophomore year against Iowa, she did something similar to them in the 3rd and 4th quarters. Effectively took the game away from them while Nika was busy smothering Clark's offense. Did the same thing to Baylor in the tournament that year. Of course, there are some games when she dominates from start to finish, like the Texas and NC St games early that season. But she seems to have learned that it's better to open things up for teammates. This was always Paige's way, to beat opponents not with her scoring alone, but also with her teammates, who she sometimes seemed to wield like a cudgel. Sarah also has a very good sense of this bit of wisdom.
 
Azzi had a rough game at Marquette New Year’s Day of this year. Since then she has shot 498/485/936. 2 for 2 gets her to 500, so if she goes something like 5 for 8 tomorrow, she’d have 50/40/90 for a one year period.
 
MilfordHusky said:
After 13 games, my local girl is shooting a stellar 51%--and is only second on the team!
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Yeah, it's strange that although Azzi was 2-4 on threes, her percentage went down. That's the problem with great shooters; they have to shoot great every night.
 
HopJim said:
At the end of the day, while this is an interesting discussion, I am more focused on a player's ability to score when it matters most-tight games, pressure situations, etc. Good example was the Iowa game when Sarah score 20 the first half while everyone else, Azzi included, were clanking it. Azzi and others finished the game with positive overall stats but without Sarah's work while the game was tight, who knows what could have happened.
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On the flipside Azzi put the game away. I love teams that put their foot on someone's throat and don't let them get up. Earlier in the season they let other teams get back up.
 
fomalhaut said:
Yes. This was discussed in a thread last season. It was done a few times in the past when the game was very different from today.
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Not by UConn. NEVER. I would be curious to see what "era" you are referring to "when the game was very different" as steals vs. turnovers would have to indicate significantly less turnovers, meaning significantly less steals on the other end, sort of mutual offset.
 
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DefenseBB said:
Not by UConn. NEVER. I would be curious to see what "era" you are referring to "when the game was very different" as steals vs. turnovers would have to indicate significantly less turnovers, meaning significantly less steals on the other end, sort of mutual offset.
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You are correct that Connecticut had never done it until last season. Here's the thread from this past March:

More steals than turnovers
 

YKCornelius said:
HopJim, say what? From the moment Serah scored the first basket at 8:40 of the first period, UConn led the entire Iowa game! The Huskies had a double digit lead at the end of Q1, Q2, Q3, so when exactly was the game "tight" - the first five minutes of the game?? The same first five minutes when Sarah was 1 for 4 and Azzi was 2 for 3?

What pressure situations? Certainly not during the 26 point win over the #11 team. What pressure situations has UConn been in this year? Maybe the second half vs. Michigan? Jeez, I wonder who came through for the Huskies then? Oh, yeah, Azzi Fudd.

Finally, allow me to nitpick your phrasing. I agree with Bob Joyce and Debbie Fiske who maintained throughout the first half against Iowa that there was nothing wrong with Azzi's jump shot: smooth, quick release, shoulders/hips/feet square to the basket, with most of the shots being "in and out" and/or barely missing. Beautiful shooting. Hardly "clanking it"?

Good grief....
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That’s a strong reaction. Sarah was the main scorer to get UConn the comfortable advantage against Iowa. It was far from clutch time but UConn rarely sees that. And, yes I agree Azzi came through when Michigan was making their late run. No one doubts her. She’s great.

(And for what it is worth Syla Swords was shooting miserably from three against Oregon in the second half last night. Not even close. The Wolverines should have put that game away in regulation. I think they were 16 of 36 from the charity stripe. Yikes.)
 
cwh20 said:
That’s a strong reaction. Sarah was the main scorer to get UConn the comfortable advantage against Iowa. It was far from clutch time but UConn rarely sees that. And, yes I agree Azzi came through when Michigan was making their late run. No one doubts her. She’s great.

(And for what it is worth Syla Swords was shooting miserably from three against Oregon in the second half last night. Not even close. The Wolverines should have put that game away in regulation. I think they were 16 of 36 from the charity stripe. Yikes.)
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cwh20, not clear at all with your response to my post, which was a response to HopJim's. His post spoke to a focus on Huskies scoring in tight games or pressure situations vice caring about Azzi's 50/40/90 which was the original subject of this thread. Then he offered Sarah's performance in the the Iowa game in an attempt to illustrate his point.

Not only do I disagree with the premise that the Iowa game was "tight" or presented "pressure situations", I further contend that the only time either of these two perceptions presented themselves was possibly during the Michigan game.

I also disagree with any implication that Sarah's outstanding performance vs Iowa is illustrative of her being able to respond to pressure situations that her teammates somehow cannot.

Whether or not Sarah "was the main scorer to get UConn the comfortable advantage" is not only debatable, but is entirely besides the point as it has nothing to do with tight games, pressure situations or the original post's discussion of Azzi's 50/40/90 quest.

Strong reaction? Absolutely.
 
Now that the regular season is half over, things are evolving. After the Seton Hall game:

Azzi .493/.485/1.000 Where has her midrange gone?

Sarah .584/.426/.875 Only FTs are lacking.

Blanca .565/516/.833

Allie .493/.451/.667

Team .515/.412/.731 Leading the nation from the arc.
 
Some subtle changes after the SJU game:

Azzi .493/.486/1.000 (26-26)

Sarah .595/.438/.875

Blanca .567/.485/.833

Allie .493/.442/.667

Team .519/.411/.739
 
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BlueSkyGLW said:
Hmmmm....Azzi? More like 50/55/100
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When I originally wrote it, I had 100% in there. The only reason I changed it, was I did not want to jinx her. You know, the sports superstition, and all.
 
After Creighton:

Azzi .493/.482/1.000 4 more swishes from the FT line

Sarah .600/.424/.889. Can she do .600/.400/.900?

Blanca .574/.472/.714 What was up with those missed FTs?

Allie .500/.444/.667.

Ashlyn .414/.393/.778

Team .522/.411/.747. Leading the nation from the arc. Edit: Now #2 from the floor. The top FG % teams: LSU, UConn, SC, Texas, UCLA. All the top teams, basically.
 
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I'm wondering how much the 50/40/90 rubric tracks the other identifier we sometimes hear about, the "true 3-level scorer." We'd need more detailed info to break out midrange shots from layups in the first element. Also, 3-level scorers don't always meet the 50/40/90 standard. Blakes and Hidalgo are clearly 3-level scorers, though their percentages fall short. This was true of Clark as well. The key thing is that they each use the threat of scoring at each level to force defensive compromises they can exploit.

We all celebrated Paige's 3-level abilities -- she was a great 3-point shooter, a deadly midrange shooter, and a genius at the rim. The threat of her 3-pt shot drew defenders too close, and she would blow by them into the midrange where the bigs had to decide whether to challenge the deadly dribble-stop jumper, and if they did she'd be at the rim in an instant. This is what made her a "bucket-getter," and every great team needs at least one of these. How many 3-level scorers are there currently 1) on the Huskies, 2) on the top teams?

For #1, I'd say Azzi, Sarah, and perhaps Blanca, and Ash. Kayleigh could become another if her 3-pt shooting continues to improve, because she has the other two elements down. KK is working towards this, but still lacks the midrange element though her perimeter shot is much improved. Allie may be close to mastering all three levels. I had to think hard about Blanca, since although she can score at all 3 levels, she doesn't really rely on that to create her shots. She relies on an irresistible combination of size speed and body control to get to her spots. I could say something similar about Ash -- she has all three, but she doesn't use them to create openings for her drives. Instead, she just looks for an opening and drives straight to the rim. In her prime, I'd have included Carol on this list.

For #2, I'd say on SC there's Tessa and Taniya. Raven appears to be working toward it but isn't quite there yet. Joyce is not a 3-pt threat, yet. Could Agot or Ayla join this club soon? Maybe. On UCLA, Kneepkens and Jaquez are clearly examples. After them, I don't see any obvious cases. On Texas, there's Booker and Rori, and maybe Lee. Are there any others? On Vandy, There's Blakes and that's about it. On LSU, there's Flaujae and Mikayla.

Have I missed anyone?
 
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Ozimoto said:
Need to work on that team free throw percentage. ;)
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I felt bad for Yanna. Her form isn't bad.
I think the "rule of thumb" for teams is 70% in college and 80% in the pros. I remember the '86 Celtics were +80%. Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Azzi's surprising inability lately to make layups or mid-range jumpers will hurt her 50/40/90 goal. She's so fluid and her mechanics so tight, I wonder what is going on with her...
 
Bone Dog said:
I'm wondering how much the 50/40/90 rubric tracks the other identifier we sometimes hear about, the "true 3-level scorer." We'd need more detailed info to break out midrange shots from layups in the first element. Also, 3-level scorers don't always meet the 50/40/90 standard. Blakes and Hidalgo are clearly 3-level scorers, though their percentages fall short. This was true of Clark as well. The key thing is that they each use the threat of scoring at each level to force defensive compromises they can exploit.

We all celebrated Paige's 3-level abilities -- she was a great 3-point shooter, a deadly midrange shooter, and a genius at the rim. The threat of her 3-pt shot drew defenders too close, and she would blow by them into the midrange where the bigs had to decide whether to challenge the deadly dribble-stop jumper, and if they did she'd be at the rim in an instant. This is what made her a "bucket-getter," and every great team needs at least one of these. How many 3-level scorers are there currently 1) on the Huskies, 2) on the top teams?

For #1, I'd say Azzi, Sarah, and perhaps Blanca, and Ash. Kayleigh could become another if her 3-pt shooting continues to improve, because she has the other two elements down. KK is working towards this, but still lacks the midrange element though her perimeter shot is much improved. Allie may be close to mastering all three levels. I had to think hard about Blanca, since although she can score at all 3 levels, she doesn't really rely on that to create her shots. She relies on an irresistible combination of size speed and body control to get to her spots. I could say something similar about Ash -- she has all three, but she doesn't use them to create openings for her drives. Instead, she just looks for an opening and drives straight to the rim. In her prime, I'd have included Carol on this list.

For #2, I'd say on SC there's Tessa and Taniya. Raven appears to be working toward it but isn't quite there yet. Joyce is not a 3-pt threat, yet. Could Agot or Ayla join this club soon? Maybe. On UCLA, Kneepkens and Jaquez are clearly examples. After them, I don't see any obvious cases. On Texas, there's Booker and Rori, and maybe Lee. Are there any others? On Vandy, There's Blakes and that's about it. On LSU, there's Flaujae and Mikayla.

Have I missed anyone?
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Personally, I think you're basically explaining why it is so rare, if not impossible. (Paige didn't even do it) What if we just let the stat speak for itself rather than dissecting the stat. (I do love you BD)
A missed shot is a missed shot, which could be a change in possession and a lost opportunity.
This stat would be next to impossible for a post player because of their assumed lack of proficiency from 3. I hope a 3-point specialist doesn't achieve this. Should be an efficient star- Paige, Sarah, Azzi (come on Azzi, make shots!), or Pheesa.
Sometimes, for a team to be successful, a star player is asked to shoot a lot. Hannah's not gunna shoot 50/40. Austin Carr averaged 35 a game on a top-25 team. Pistol Pete averaged 46 on an NIT team. It is what it is. A stat of efficiency.
 
MilfordHusky said:
After the Villanova game:

Azzi .489/.470/1.000

Sarah .599/.420/.897 She's 1 bucket and 1 FT from .600/.420/.900.

Blanca .573/.474/.750

Allie .506/.439/.667

Team .524/.406/.744
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Azzi is 7 FG short of 50.0/47/100
Blanca is 24 made FT short of 56/47/90.0 ;^), leads the team in 3FG percentage (barely) and is 3rd in FG percentage.
 
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As of this morning, there are only three players in D-1 currently in the 50/40/90 club:

Gianna Kneepkens (UCLA) 51.8/45.8/95.0
Shay Ciezki (Indiana) 52.9/41.9/91.1
Britt Prince (Nebraska) 57.6/51.9/90.9

(I am using a pragmatic cut-off minimum criteria of scoring at least 10 ppg.)

All three have played in all of their teams games. Ciezki and Prince are their teams leading scorers, while Kneepkens is third on the Bruins.
 
FanSince17 said:
I felt bad for Yanna. Her form isn't bad.
I think the "rule of thumb" for teams is 70% in college and 80% in the pros. I remember the '86 Celtics were +80%. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Yanna had been shooting FTs well before last night. However, she looked uncomfortable and clanked 4 shots last night. Get back into the gym!
 
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