Tyler Hansboro was a major story for every year he was in college, and they went to an E8, a FF, won a title...while they got upset early his freshman (2006) year to a little school called George Mason.
I'm a huge baseball fan. I don't miss a game. But it was a consensus POY for TH. Look at the non writers in this thread, a good many said TH too. There's too much evidence here to think that he is a fluke. Come on. You can't deny numbers. POY and 3 x consensus 1st team AA, natty. Not to mention that he absolutely abused people at the college level. Go back and watch tape. He was completely dominant. Visibly. In the ACC. If that's not real then nothing is real. I can just as easily say Karl Malone was never good. But they'd just be words.
Well Said.
Beasley had a phenomenal year the year TH won POY. Better numbers at least. But you can't use the age argument if the player you are defending was 19 years old. Obviously 19 year olds aren't at a prohibitive disadvantage. Was TH hands down, without a question heads above everyone that year? No, i wouldnt go that far. But I challenge you to find me an MVP in any sport where, 9/10 times, there is not an argument to be made that someone else had a better year. Either way, strength of evidence tilts heavily towards the player who won POY in reality- not in theory.
I thought his was talking about Tyler Hansborough. I was’t aware I suppose to hate him. Reddick for sure .
Four years and never made a sweet 16, it's incredibly offensive that anyone compared McDermott to Larry Bird.
This is an individual accolade, not a team one. Kemba is my all time favorite, but he had more surrounding him the Dougie ever did.
Larry Bird singlehandedly took Indiana State to the title game, Curry singlehandedly knocked off the Zags, Georgetown, and Wisconsin before taking Kansas to the brink. McDermott was a great college scorer who rebounded well but couldn't pass and played zero defense. It's insane anyone compared him to Larry Bird.
Doug had a Defensive Win Share of 5.2 over 4 seasons
This was my rationale almost verbatim. Although we may have different people in our 4, ( I included Melo because I can't remember personally watching a an under classman carry a team like that) I also left Bazz off for your reasoning. Even though kembas and bazz's seasons were similar, kembas was just a little more epic. By a slim margin
It's not insane. It seems like the BY think its very rational. And we are offering actual statistical evidence. I have always enjoyed your commentary on this yard and I still do. But I have rarely seen you give an inch to an opposing view.
We are sticking to 21st century just to narrow it down. But I like this list. I'm a huge Isiah guy
How do you explain the consensus 3x AA and POY? You continually dismiss this. I can't accept a questioning of the committees sanity or some such weak argument. You can't say "yeah he won Player of the year and was 3x 1st team All American.... BUT...."
And Steph Curry's defensive win shares is 9.3 over 3 seasons. Did you watch McDermott play in college and the pros? I did, he doesn't play defense. Maybe that's changed recently but he certainly didn't used to play any defense. He was the worst defender in the league when he was on the Bulls.
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you can't use the NBA in this argument. Also you created the idea that you have to be a great defender to be on aRushmore. Tom Brady is immobile and doesn't have a rocket arm. Who cares?And Steph Curry's defensive win shares is 9.3 over 3 seasons. Did you watch McDermott play in college and the pros? I did, he doesn't play defense. Maybe that's changed recently but he certainly didn't used to play any defense. He was the worst defender in the league when he was on the Bulls.
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Doug's gaudy offensive numbers are great, but his defense might be the worst in the league.
I can do whatever I want and referred to his cr@ppy defense in college and the pros. I watched him in college, he didn't play defense. You have McDermott on your Mount Rushmore for the last 20+ years of college basketball, that's fine. He's nowhere near mine.
College basketball is defined by the NCAAs. If you aren't in the second weekend once over 4 years...
But this is an individual thing. His team wasn't good enough. This is an age old argument. Look at Matthew Stafford. He finally got a team. He didn't just become a good quarterback this year. It's fashionable to leave someone off the "greats" list if they don't have trophies. We all know Dan Marino was way better than Troy Aikman, for instance, but people still bring up the W's argument. NFL is defined by Post Season wins just as much as ncaa, so the comparison is apt.
The 2018 Nova team is literally one of the best teams of all time. Won every game in the tournament by double digits and is the 2nd best offensive team in the Kenpom era. Brunson being the PG of that team was the driving factor
I understand that. Statistically it was a great team but it made for a lackluster tourney watching experience. I like a tournament with upsets and drama and the emergence of heroes. Not a tourney when a team cruises the whole way. He also had a great team around him so he didn't have to play hero. But Mt Rushmore is half hero stats/half stats. I can argue that there were way better presidents than George Washington, but can you keep him off?
This is a Mt. Rushmore. it's not necessarily 4 best statistical players. The presidents on Mt Rushmore weren't all the best presidents. But you can't keep George Washington off.
Let's just enjoy tmrws game and get back to better things. I respect your opinion and it was a fun thread. We disagree but this would be boring if we all agreed
But this isn’t a March madness mt Rushmore. Doesn’t matter if someone had the tourney megastar pedigree.