It's not insane. It seems like the BY think its very rational. And we are offering actual statistical evidence. I have always enjoyed your commentary on this yard and I still do. But I have rarely seen you give an inch to an opposing view.
We are sticking to 21st century just to narrow it down. But I like this list. I'm a huge Isiah guy
How do you explain the consensus 3x AA and POY? You continually dismiss this. I can't accept a questioning of the committees sanity or some such weak argument. You can't say "yeah he won Player of the year and was 3x 1st team All American.... BUT...."
And Steph Curry's defensive win shares is 9.3 over 3 seasons. Did you watch McDermott play in college and the pros? I did, he doesn't play defense. Maybe that's changed recently but he certainly didn't used to play any defense. He was the worst defender in the league when he was on the Bulls.
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you can't use the NBA in this argument. Also you created the idea that you have to be a great defender to be on aRushmore. Tom Brady is immobile and doesn't have a rocket arm. Who cares?And Steph Curry's defensive win shares is 9.3 over 3 seasons. Did you watch McDermott play in college and the pros? I did, he doesn't play defense. Maybe that's changed recently but he certainly didn't used to play any defense. He was the worst defender in the league when he was on the Bulls.
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The Draft Starts With Defense: The Curious Case of Doug Mc-No-D
For those who appreciate statistics, Creighton senior forward Doug McDermott oozes appeal. He has posted a PER of at least 31.0 in each of his sophomore, junior, and senior seasons. This year he …
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Why McDermott Can't Play More
Doug's gaudy offensive numbers are great, but his defense might be the worst in the league.
I can do whatever I want and referred to his cr@ppy defense in college and the pros. I watched him in college, he didn't play defense. You have McDermott on your Mount Rushmore for the last 20+ years of college basketball, that's fine. He's nowhere near mine.
College basketball is defined by the NCAAs. If you aren't in the second weekend once over 4 years...
But this is an individual thing. His team wasn't good enough. This is an age old argument. Look at Matthew Stafford. He finally got a team. He didn't just become a good quarterback this year. It's fashionable to leave someone off the "greats" list if they don't have trophies. We all know Dan Marino was way better than Troy Aikman, for instance, but people still bring up the W's argument. NFL is defined by Post Season wins just as much as ncaa, so the comparison is apt.
The 2018 Nova team is literally one of the best teams of all time. Won every game in the tournament by double digits and is the 2nd best offensive team in the Kenpom era. Brunson being the PG of that team was the driving factor
I understand that. Statistically it was a great team but it made for a lackluster tourney watching experience. I like a tournament with upsets and drama and the emergence of heroes. Not a tourney when a team cruises the whole way. He also had a great team around him so he didn't have to play hero. But Mt Rushmore is half hero stats/half stats. I can argue that there were way better presidents than George Washington, but can you keep him off?
This is a Mt. Rushmore. it's not necessarily 4 best statistical players. The presidents on Mt Rushmore weren't all the best presidents. But you can't keep George Washington off.
Let's just enjoy tmrws game and get back to better things. I respect your opinion and it was a fun thread. We disagree but this would be boring if we all agreed
But this isn’t a March madness mt Rushmore. Doesn’t matter if someone had the tourney megastar pedigree.
I agree. Its a very obvious concept. I was just getting tired of defending myself.
But it’s not about one season either, in my opinion.
Wow. I just looked at West's stats. Defensive and offensive metrics across the board every year. He stood out too in those years but feel that his cbb brand dwindled slightly over time. This is a great find
He was better than I remember from what I just saw. Good call. And yes the writers may overlook certain people and they may not get it 100% right. But they are never insanely and indefensibly wrong. Doug McD player of the year and consensus 3x AA is very reasonable
I’m terms of impact, and just being a gamer, I like Gerry McNamara. NCAA champion. He was a BIG part of that run with Mello. Went to sweet 16 without Mello following year and had some massive performances before getting hurt his senior year and fizzling out after that crazy Big East tournament run. Dwayne Wade may have done more with less at Marquette than Mello? Not a National title, but Marquette snuck up on people like Curry with Davidson and Syracuse was a turnstile of big time recruits. Mello was positioned to do better? That run by Wade had a massive impact on turning the Marquette program around.
It was 20 years ago so my memory is a little foggy. But I always saw a parallel in Carmelo/McNamara and Wade/Travis Deaner. Steve Novak was also on that Marquette team. So they had some dudes. But Wade was obviously the powerhouse