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nwhoopfan said:
Yeah, I just looked at several video clips. Sounds like Clark and Sheldon were going at it physically and verbally all game. Mabrey jumped in and gave Clark a shove in the back at least twice. Cunningham got her money's worth on a hard foul against Sheldon, then just about got in a fight w/ 2 Sun players at the same time. Sheldon's tough, but I don't think she wants to be scrapping with Cunningham.


I tell ya, almost all the players from last year left the Sun...but they're still the Sun. I guess all the departed passed it on to Mabrey and she's keeping it going.

edit--no ejections though; I'm starting to wonder if it's even possible to get ejected from a WNBA game, and if it is what you would have to do
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Cunningham, Allen, and Sheldon were ejected with like 40 seconds left in the game for their little fight. Mabrey should have been ejected for the blindside tackle on Clark but someone that was judged to be a flagrant 1.
 
GamecockFam said:
Cunningham, Allen, and Sheldon were ejected with like 40 seconds left in the game for their little fight. Mabrey should have been ejected for the blindside tackle on Clark but someone that was judged to be a flagrant 1.
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You can't believe anything you read. I thought I saw several times no ejections. Yeah that was quite a kerfuffle at the end. Sophie looked like she was ready and willing to take on Sheldon and Allen at the same time.
 
nwhoopfan said:
You can't believe anything you read. I thought I saw several times no ejections. Yeah that was quite a kerfuffle at the end. Sophie looked like she was ready and willing to take on Sheldon and Allen at the same time.
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I assume by "you" you meant you and not me. :p

I watched it live. Allen and Sheldon were shown on camera being led back into the locker room by staff members and the announcers mentioned the ejection. I can't remember seeing Sophie being pushed to the locker room but it was also announced that she was ejected.
 
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Watching the replay of this Indy-Connecticut game right now. Refs did a horrible job managing this game.

Should have been done in the first quarter when there was shoving between Sheldon and Clark earlier. Not to mention a lot of missed calls for both teams ranging from blatant contact to zero contact like Clark's second foul on Charles.

Neither team has clean hands in this game. Everyone had a hand in this game being this messy.
 
LA was reasonably close at the half (down by 10), but it's turned into a laugher against Seattle in the second half. 30 point margin w/ under 5 minutes to play.
 
GamecockFam said:
The trolls will be coming out of the woodwork after this game. Marina Mabrey will be public enemy #1 after she shoved Clark to the ground and somehow didn't get ejected. Later in the game Sophie Cunningham exacted the revenge on Jacy Sheldon with like 40 seconds left in the game and they both got ejected along with Lindsay Allen. This was a really heated game with a lot of skirmishes. Technical fouls and flagrant fouls were being tossed out like candy in the second half.
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GamecockFam- - - -I watched the game and WBB (college and WNBA) referees are horrible but normally but these 3 women were completely clueless!
Lucky that no one got seriously hurt as refs allowed too much physical play! Play like that destroys the game!
 
nwhoopfan said:
You can't believe anything you read. I thought I saw several times no ejections. Yeah that was quite a kerfuffle at the end. Sophie looked like she was ready and willing to take on Sheldon and Allen at the same time.
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1). This likely was in reference to earlier in the game when the refs should have really handled things.

2). The scrap here could have been avoided. Cunningham has every right to prevent Sheldon from making the layup, but she didn't have to take her down the way she did. Especially with less than a minute left in the game.
 
RSHERMVIKES said:
GamecockFam- - - -I watched the game and WBB (college and WNBA) referees are horrible but normally but these 3 women were completely clueless!
Lucky that no one got seriously hurt as refs allowed too much physical play! Play like that destroys the game!
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Unfortunately it won't prevent trolls from coming out per @GamecockFam's point. They won't take the fact the refs didn't do their job into consideration.
 
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GamecockFam said:
Cunningham, Allen, and Sheldon were ejected with like 40 seconds left in the game for their little fight. Mabrey should have been ejected for the blindside tackle on Clark but someone that was judged to be a flagrant 1.
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A lot of spicy players in the mix. Borderline dirty if we're okay with throwing that word around:

-Mabrey's NEVER been one to back up from a scuffle
-Clark's never been one to either
-Sophie Cunningham was known as a dirty player during her collegiate days at Mizzou. Not as much in the W but she's not one to back down from anyone
-Sheldon isn't quite as feisty as the rest but she plays very physically and she has a long history with Clark. I don't get the feeling they like each other all that much

Just the other night the Sun got into it with Reese and the Sky too, though it wasn't Mabrey/Sheldon involved.
 
Sample size is small, but Clark's productivity/efficiency after getting at least 2 days off between games:
24.8 points, 6 rebounds, 9 assists, 1.5 steals, 1.5 blocks, 4.3 TOs, 49.5% FG, 51.2% 3pt, 78.9% FT

Clark's efficiency with just 1 day off in between games :
14.5 points, 4.5 rebounds, 8 assists, 0.5 steals, 0 blocks, 7 TOs, 34.5% FG, 12.5% 3pt, 70% FT
 
bballnut90 said:
A lot of spicy players in the mix. Borderline dirty if we're okay with throwing that word around:

-Mabrey's NEVER been one to back up from a scuffle
-Clark's never been one to either
-Sophie Cunningham was known as a dirty player during her collegiate days at Mizzou. Not as much in the W but she's not one to back down from anyone
-Sheldon isn't quite as feisty as the rest but she plays very physically and she has a long history with Clark. I don't get the feeling they like each other all that much

Just the other night the Sun got into it with Reese and the Sky too, though it wasn't Mabrey/Sheldon involved.
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That was a nothingburger. Accidental hair pull that was quashed quickly. There were no hard feelings after the game. Nowhere close to what happened tonight which should never had gotten to the point it did. Don't think it's fair to bring it up.
 
bballnut90 said:
A lot of spicy players in the mix. Borderline dirty if we're okay with throwing that word around:

-Mabrey's NEVER been one to back up from a scuffle
-Clark's never been one to either
-Sophie Cunningham was known as a dirty player during her collegiate days at Mizzou. Not as much in the W but she's not one to back down from anyone
-Sheldon isn't quite as feisty as the rest but she plays very physically and she has a long history with Clark. I don't get the feeling they like each other all that much

Just the other night the Sun got into it with Reese and the Sky too, though it wasn't Mabrey/Sheldon involved.
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It's ironic or whatever it maybe that the two sainted and unprovoked (sarcasm) teams that got into with Reese and the Sky this season ended up got into with each other. I don't know if this is true or not but I had read that Marina and Sophie has yet to actually go at each other.
 
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BigTenGuy said:
This was Debbie Antonelli‘s point. Poor refereeing allowed the game to get out of hand. Needed a quicker whistle.
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Yes but nothing about referees had been stated by the time I made my post. Impression I got from posts was most saw clips or caught the latter part of the game.

While Antonelli was correct, both she , her colleague and the production team didn't help matters during the game. For example, their assumption that Mabrey would be ejected while they reviewed the pushing in the first half. Not sure if that was possible during a dead ball situation. It was definitely worth a technical at minimum. But was it on the level of a flagrant 2, like Thomas' foul on Reese last season? Don't think so.

They didn't clarify how ejections could happen until the situation between Cunningham and Sheldon. That point should have been addressed much sooner. Casual fans don't know any better and take them at their word. Similar to the situation when Coach White didn't challenge a call when they didn't have any this season. The announcers didn't know the actual game situation and kept stating that Coach White should have asked for a review. People picked up on that and thought Coach White wasn't doing her job.
 
nwhoopfan said:
Yeah, I just looked at several video clips. Sounds like Clark and Sheldon were going at it physically and verbally all game. Mabrey jumped in and gave Clark a shove in the back at least twice. . . .

edit--no ejections though; I'm starting to wonder if it's even possible to get ejected from a WNBA game, and if it is what you would have to do
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The first push by Mabrey was after Clark had pushed Sheldon in the chest.

BigTenGuy said:
This was Debbie Antonelli‘s point. Poor refereeing allowed the game to get out of hand. Needed a quicker whistle.
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During the first half when it started getting chippy, Antonelli said she was glad the officials didn't call any T's. I've been thinking that if they had at least issued warnings after Sheldon/Mabrey/Clark first got into it and whistled the first extra-curricular activity after that, they might have been able to avoid this.
 
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Some musings from yesterday. I like Clark a lot but I think she flopped a bit on the contact from Mabrey which kinda escalated things. I know you can say Mabrey escalated things and you wouldn't be wrong but idk. I think about this a lot, when superstars flop during confrontations it's actually a bad thing for their team because their teammates now have the pressure of sticking up for their stars and things get more out of hand. I know it's not scripted but things getting out of control is so predictable when this occurs its like a script they follow. Lol. It was almost compulsory that Sophie does something like the thing she did at the end. I didn't like Caitlin in the press conference after the game, getting frustrated and saying let's just talk about basketball. I get it and trust me I prefer talking hoops over drama. I also get the idea of what happens on the court stays on the court. Like it's not that deep. I'm sure she doesn't hate Sheldon or Marina. But she was doing all the wwe stuff, hyping up the crowd, talking crazy. I don't mind that part and love her intensity, but then u can't be frustrated ppl will ask about that.
Idk if it's roster expansion that's needed, or it's because these players that are signing the hard ship contracts I'm so emotionally invested in. But it's crazy to turn on a game and see Grace Berger getting some quality minutes, then Mackenzie Holmes subbing in on the opposite squad. I saw Haley Jones on the bench in Dallas. I'm like I thought all 3 were cut, and was bummed. It was good to see them but I also know they can be let go rather quickly. I also think Grace is better than how she played last night. Part of my point is I do think it's hard to throw players in these situations. The even crazier thing is the hardship player will play more at times than players that made the roster, perhaps cuz they play a different position.
I thought Paige looked good last night. She would've had like 25 if the rims were slightly friendlier and she didn't smoke a layup late. But in terms of creating her shot, she looks really good. Like she was so efficient in college and used dhos so well, but I think she's just creating space at a different level which is cool to see. I think their offense is still not great. And I actually think they need a point guard. I feel like Arike and Paige playing ur turn my turn, ur side initiates the offense when I randomly don't feel like it, limits offensive cohesion. I know the w doesn't work this way but put Haley at point guard or at least bring the ball up and also defend wings. They could really have used Carla Leite if we're being honest.
 
I think this video pretty much sums up the situation for those that didn't witness it:
 
nwhoopfan said:
The Aces are toast until they get Wilson back. Even w/ all of the Lynx' star players having sub par games, Minny beat LV 76-62. 2nd half w/ 46-23 in favor of the Lynx. Ouch.


Did Collier get hurt? She only played 19 minutes.
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She hurt her back
 
GamecockFam said:
The trolls will be coming out of the woodwork after this game. Marina Mabrey will be public enemy #1 after she shoved Clark to the ground and somehow didn't get ejected. Later in the game Sophie Cunningham exacted the revenge on Jacy Sheldon with like 40 seconds left in the game and they both got ejected along with Lindsay Allen. This was a really heated game with a lot of skirmishes. Technical fouls and flagrant fouls were being tossed out like candy in the second half.
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Marina shoved Clark because Clark shoved Sheldon.
 
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Clark went down awfully easy on that shove. I would agree probably that Marina didn’t deserve to be ejected there; I don’t think that rises to the level of an ejection.

And I like Clark. And I think she has goat potential. And will be the best player in the league soon. But I also think she has one of the worst attitudes I have ever seen on a basketball court.
 
Stagnant said:
Clark went down awfully easy on that shove. I would agree probably that Marina didn’t deserve to be ejected there; I don’t think that rises to the level of an ejection.

And I like Clark. And I think she has goat potential. And will be the best player in the league soon. But I also think she has one of the worst attitudes I have ever seen on a basketball court.
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Geew1992 said:
Marina shoved Clark because Clark shoved Sheldon.
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We can go round and round on this and I'd rather not get into the blame game (Marina bodied Clark because Clark shoved Sheldon...Clark shoved Sheldon because Sheldon poked her in the eye and then walked into Clark's personal space talking smack after the play was dead...and on and on and on). In the end all involved players were at fault. Players need to be held accountable as well as the refs. Everyone is responsible for moderating their attitudes and refs need to be more aggressive in tampering down on this type of aggression. Clark and Sheldon should have been given technical fouls much earlier in the game.
 
GamecockFam said:
We can go round and round on this and I'd rather not get into the blame game (Marina bodied Clark because Clark shoved Sheldon...Clark shoved Sheldon because Sheldon poked her in the eye and then walked into Clark's personal space talking smack after the play was dead...and on and on and on). In the end all involved players were at fault. Players need to be held accountable as well as the refs. Everyone is responsible for moderating their attitudes and refs need to be more aggressive in tampering down on this type of aggression. Clark and Sheldon should have been given technical fouls much earlier in the game.
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Agreed wholeheartedly.
 
jdote33 said:
Some musings from yesterday. I like Clark a lot but I think she flopped a bit on the contact from Mabrey which kinda escalated things. I know you can say Mabrey escalated things and you wouldn't be wrong but idk. I think about this a lot, when superstars flop during confrontations it's actually a bad thing for their team because their teammates now have the pressure of sticking up for their stars and things get more out of hand. I know it's not scripted but things getting out of control is so predictable when this occurs its like a script they follow. Lol. It was almost compulsory that Sophie does something like the thing she did at the end. I didn't like Caitlin in the press conference after the game, getting frustrated and saying let's just talk about basketball. I get it and trust me I prefer talking hoops over drama. I also get the idea of what happens on the court stays on the court. Like it's not that deep. I'm sure she doesn't hate Sheldon or Marina. But she was doing all the wwe stuff, hyping up the crowd, talking crazy. I don't mind that part and love her intensity, but then u can't be frustrated ppl will ask about that.
Idk if it's roster expansion that's needed, or it's because these players that are signing the hard ship contracts I'm so emotionally invested in. But it's crazy to turn on a game and see Grace Berger getting some quality minutes, then Mackenzie Holmes subbing in on the opposite squad. I saw Haley Jones on the bench in Dallas. I'm like I thought all 3 were cut, and was bummed. It was good to see them but I also know they can be let go rather quickly. I also think Grace is better than how she played last night. Part of my point is I do think it's hard to throw players in these situations. The even crazier thing is the hardship player will play more at times than players that made the roster, perhaps cuz they play a different position.
I thought Paige looked good last night. She would've had like 25 if the rims were slightly friendlier and she didn't smoke a layup late. But in terms of creating her shot, she looks really good. Like she was so efficient in college and used dhos so well, but I think she's just creating space at a different level which is cool to see. I think their offense is still not great. And I actually think they need a point guard. I feel like Arike and Paige playing ur turn my turn, ur side initiates the offense when I randomly don't feel like it, limits offensive cohesion. I know the w doesn't work this way but put Haley at point guard or at least bring the ball up and also defend wings. They could really have used Carla Leite if we're being honest.
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1). I agree with you here as these questions get asked of others when it happens. It's a fair question to ask.

2). Jones struggled with PG duties while in Atlanta, so I'm not sure if she's the best fit for that role. Also, as she just joined the team, it could be a situation that Dallas wants her more up to speed before having her more involved?
 
CamrnCrz1974 said:
I am still stunned Mabrey was not ejected. She was not involved in the play, but she came over to shove Clark to the floor.
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In a previous post I noted I don't think she could have been because it happened during a dead ball situation.

Was what she did enough to be considered a flagrant 2? That's the only scenario that would have had her ejected immediately. If anything she would have received a technical.

As no one was assessed a technical earlier when the first shoving situation happened, it wouldn't have been enough for an ejection at that point as two technicals are required for an ejection.

I'm still of the opinion that had the referees done their job in the first half, a lot of this mess could have been avoided.
 
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