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Should have been another DPI on the last play, Waller was held again. But it was awful play calling regardless, give the ball to Saquon or run an actual play that's not just throw the ball up into traffic
The right call was to run it. Saquon had a much better second half, as did the line. We left so many points on the board just from stupid mistakes or playcalls. We never seem to win these close games, it’s incredibly frustrating.
 
Should have been another DPI on the last play, Waller was held again. But it was awful play calling regardless, give the ball to Saquon or run an actual play that's not just throw the ball up into traffic
Those TO Bills took they were probably told to hold Waller if your beat and that’s exactly what they did on both those plays, shouldve ran it with Saquon there, pass it at the end you put it on this turnstile line to block longer and the refs to make a judgement call as they weren’t throwing 2 flags in a row.
 
Said it while the game was on, but I was pleasantly surprised with Tyrod’s down field accuracy. Had at least 2 deep throws drop right into the basket, and another to Hyatt negated by a bogus penalty. His pocket presence was pretty impressive as well.

Still, it’s ridiculous how bad this team is at finishing drives. 0 first half touchdowns on offense, 3 games in a row with no offensive touchdown in general. Pretty dang pathetic. Kafka has been awful, Daboll hasn’t been much better.
 
It’s also zero situational awareness and no guts. Hello you have Saquon gashing the Bills run the the football.
Kafka calls the plays @CardiacAndre7 and I wouldn't say Saqoun was gashing the Bills, he had a run for 29 and 34 yards, outside of that he averaged 1.3 yards a carry and was given a chance, stupidly by Tyrod, to score in that exact situation at the end of half and failed miserably.

After his two big runs Saqoun had runs of -1, -3, and 5 yards.

If you are going to run the ball I am not sure why you don't put in Tyrod's hands to get 1 yard. While he is certainly not as big as Jones he should be able to get the push for a yard. You see it be successful around the league week in and out and not just with the Eagles. I certainty didn't love the play call but if the Bills player isnt holding Waller's arm and jersey it is probably a TD and Im defiently not dying to watch to watch Saqoun get stuffed two yards behind the line of scrimmage again there. I would have liked to see Wandale in motion and have him find a spot in the end zone, he was great at that all game.

They were 9-3-1 in 1 score games last year, and 1-0 this year coming into tonight, so since Daboll came on these are games they win.

It was nice to see the D put together a great performance, 2 in 3 weeks now, and the line play at a respectable level.
 
Kafka calls the plays @CardiacAndre7 and I wouldn't say Saqoun was gashing the Bills, he had a run for 29 and 34 yards, outside of that he averaged 1.3 yards a carry and was given a chance, stupidly by Tyrod, to score in that exact situation at the end of half and failed miserably.

After his two big runs Saqoun had runs of -1, -3, and 5 yards.

If you are going to run the ball I am not sure why you don't put in Tyrod's hands to get 1 yard. While he is certainly not as big as Jones he should be able to get the push for a yard. You see it be successful around the league week in and out and not just with the Eagles. I certainty didn't love the play call but if the Bills player isnt holding Waller's arm and jersey it is probably a TD and Im defiently not dying to watch to watch Saqoun get stuffed two yards behind the line of scrimmage again there. I would have liked to see Wandale in motion and have him find a spot in the end zone, he was great at that all game.

They were 9-3-1 in 1 score games last year, and 1-0 this year coming into tonight, so since Daboll came on these are games they win.

It was nice to see the D put together a great performance, 2 in 3 weeks now, and the line play at a respectable level.
It was rumored that Daboll was taking some playcalling duties, wasn’t sure if that was still the case or if it was confirmed.

Saquon was running really well in the second half, especially in the 4th, give him a chance to make a guy miss or drive into the endzone. I don’t think we get nearly enough push for a sneak there, especially with a smaller QB trying to score.
 
Have to have that call, can’t swallow the whistle on a hold like that. He should be fired!
That was a bad no-call. Receiver was held just as he crossed the goal line.
 
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That was a bad no-call. Receiver was held just as he crossed the goal line.
He grabbed his jersey at he left the line of scrimmage and never let go for a second and it stopped Waller from using his left hand to make the catch. Crazy bad miss by the striped dude!
 
We can kinda agree Tyrod has certainly been a step up, right…?
If you are impressed with 14 points against that secondary.................

Russell Wilson threw for 300 and 3 TDs, Fields had almost 300 and 4 tds, Ridder had his second ever 2 TD game. Those are 3 of the worst QBs in the league.

This should have been a get right game for the offense and luckily the defense bailed out the offense and special teams again.

Oh, and Howell, wow
 
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If you are impressed with 14 points against that secondary.................

Russell Wilson threw for 300 and 3 TDs, Fields had almost 300 and 4 tds, Ridder had his second ever 2 TD game. Those are 3 of the worst QBs in the league.

This should have been a get right game for the offense and luckily the defense bailed out the offense and special teams again.

Oh, and Howell, wow
Don’t know where you got impressed out of the comment? But actually answer…Has Tyrod shown better than Daniel? 0 turnovers, first 2 offensive touchdowns on the season. Pretty simple answer, lol.
 
Don’t know where you got impressed out of the comment? But actually answer…Has Tyrod shown better than Daniel? 0 turnovers, first 2 offensive touchdowns on the season. Pretty simple answer, lol.
You thought there were 0 offensive TDs before today?

Thanks for confirming what I thought.
 
Well it did just get to be more of a QB controversy than before when every article about the Gints was drafting a QB next year and that they still don't know what they got in Jones. Now you have Tyrod looking good for a second game.
 
Well it did just get to be more of a QB controversy than before when every article about the Gints was drafting a QB next year and that they still don't know what they got in Jones. Now you have Tyrod looking good for a second game.
There’s no qb controversy Jones is hurt and waiting till he’s 100 percent buys time to see a larger sample size of Tyrod in a lost season. If Tyrod by some miracle gets the Giants to 7-5 then there might be a qb controversy. Your taking a qb in rd 1 in all likelihood anyways.
 
You thought there were 0 offensive TDs before today?

Thanks for confirming what I thought.
In the first half, my man. Stop avoiding questions with “gottems” when you obviously know what im talking about. Be better.
 
Oh cool, 1h TDs, those are everything my man, lets just ignore the 3 total 2h points in 3 games.

Tyrod has a high floor but a very low ceiling. If the defense can hold teams to under 10 points a game well then he will win games. He does not turn the ball over, his ability to limit turnovers is why he is still in this league, it has always been his best trait. But as you saw scoring 14 points and none in the 2nd half against a secondary who gets torched week in and week out and makes bottom 5 QBs look great is why he is a backup, albeit a good backup for sure.

You are the most short sighted person on this board and really look at things at the most simple level so I will make it easy for you and not get into line play, EPA defensive ranks, ect. and put it terms that you use: Jones and Tyrod have both played 2 games with Saqoun and Jones has 31 points and Tyrod has 23. Daboll said, and anyone who has any objectivity would agree, when Jones is healthy he will be the starter.

Today also showed you why I said, and PFF agreed, that Jones has been and is better then Howell.
 
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There’s no qb controversy Jones is hurt and waiting till he’s 100 percent buys time to see a larger sample size of Tyrod in a lost season. If Tyrod by some miracle gets the Giants to 7-5 then there might be a qb controversy. Your taking a qb in rd 1 in all likelihood anyways.
If they are in a chance to draft Williams or Maye, yes certainly, but I don't see them doing it in the middle of round 1 where they will likely be drafting. After the top 2 there is a drop off. I could see a round 2 selection on a guy like Pennix or McCarthey who need to develop and could sit for a year as Jones is going to be the QB in 2024 no matter what happens given his contract.

The Giants have played 2 bad teams and beat both of them, given the schedule they will win 6 or 7 games and be out of position for one of the top guys.
 
Oh cool, 1h TDs, those are everything my man, lets just ignore the 3 total 2h points in 3 games.

Tyrod has a high floor but a very low ceiling. If the defense can hold teams to under 10 points a game well then he will win games. He does not turn the ball over, his ability to limit turnovers is why he is still in this league, it has always been his best trait. But as you saw scoring 14 points and none in the 2nd half against a secondary who gets torched week in and week out and makes bottom 5 QBs look great is why he is a backup, albeit a good backup for sure.

You are the most short sighted person on this board and really look at things at the most simple level so I will make it easy for you and not get into line play, EPA defensive ranks, ect. and put it terms that you use: Jones and Tyrod have both played 2 games with Saqoun and Jones has 31 points and Tyrod has 23. Daboll said, and anyone who has any objectivity would agree, when Jones is healthy he will be the starter.

Today also showed you why I said, and PFF agreed, that Jones has been and is better then Howell.
It’s hard to read a post that has so much wrong. I said Tyrod has played better than Jones. He has, in the 2 games he has played. A few weeks back we had a back and forth about seeing how we would feel after seeing Tyrod play. You likened him to Mike Glennon. I said I would eat my words if he was worse than DJ. He has been better than DJ. I want you to just say those words. It’s fine. I’m not calling for him to start when DJ is healthy. I just want you to recognize a simple fact. Please, make it easy for us.

Also, funny you bringing Saquon into the convo when you pretty much have said he’s a bum. Weird life cycle on that one.
 
There’s no qb controversy Jones is hurt and waiting till he’s 100 percent buys time to see a larger sample size of Tyrod in a lost season. If Tyrod by some miracle gets the Giants to 7-5 then there might be a qb controversy. Your taking a qb in rd 1 in all likelihood anyways.
It seems the defense is deciding to play. for last week and now. The offensive line line looks good compared to the one that allowed 11 sacks on Jones. Not taking anything away Tyrod. If Jones had that protection he would of shined. Last game when Tyrod blew it, Jones would not have.
 
It seems the defense is deciding to play. for last week and now. The offensive line line looks good compared to the one that allowed 11 sacks on Jones. Not taking anything away Tyrod. If Jones had that protection he would of shined. Last game when Tyrod blew it, Jones would not have.
The line did not look good today. Tyrod was under pressure all game.
 
Yes Tyrod has looked better then Jones in this offense. Is Jones the better qb yes. I do believe Jones has seen ghosts and did look skittish behind this line, no excusing his play but we don’t know if he wasn’t playing hurt either. Tyrod does have Saquon back and the line while it still sucks looks like it has gained some chemistry.
 
Yes Tyrod has looked better then Jones in this offense. Is Jones the better qb yes. I do believe Jones has seen ghosts and did look skittish behind this line, no excusing his play but we don’t know if he wasn’t playing hurt either. Tyrod does have Saquon back and the line while it still sucks looks like it has gained some chemistry.

Line, Saquon back, a much better offensive plan quicker releases on 2 step drops and of course the defense much better than prior. Doesn’t take away from Tyrod he’s been good, solid back up. 9 and 14 with all the improvements still isn’t great but again, solid.
 
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There’s no qb controversy Jones is hurt and waiting till he’s 100 percent buys time to see a larger sample size of Tyrod in a lost season. If Tyrod by some miracle gets the Giants to 7-5 then there might be a qb controversy. Your taking a qb in rd 1 in all likelihood anyways.
Cringe performance by the Commanders. Gotta win games where you only give up 14 points.

Hate to do it, but also gotta give Martindale credit for staying with what was working in applying pressure all game, OTOH, How hard is that to foresee vs. who basically amounts to a rookie QB? Rivera and JDR virtually signed their own pink slips with that performance. With four first round draft picks along the defensive front, how do you not apply similar pressure to the Giants' makeshift offensive line?

OTOH, Bieniemy has not shown he is ready for prime time either and for the 3rd week in a row opposing defenses have at least doubled their sack total for the season. For a coordinator known for a versatile screen game, there were very few called to neutralize the pressure.

There is no QB controversy in New Jersey if only because of Jones' contract, but also Taylor plays loose because he has nothing to lose.
 
Believing that scoring 26 points in two games is evidence that Taylor is a better QB than Jones is insane. If you look at what the mighty Patriots offense did against Buffalo yesterday, out performance last Sunday night becomes even more underwhelming.

Saquon is back and the offense is actually attempting to protect our offensive tackles with formations now. This wasn't happening prior to the Buffalo game.

I'm primarily worried about our defense as they are now talking as if they are performing at an elite level. Once Washington started running the ball they were moving against us pretty effectively. They just got impatient and shot themselves in the foot.

The same can be said about Buffalo a week earlier. We can be run on pretty easily and when we do play the Eagles we will get shoved all over the field. Anyone willing to run the ball will be able to beat us.
 
The line did not look good today. Tyrod was under pressure all game.
It was the lowest amount of pressures the Giants allowed all year with 7.

For reference, here are the others:
Bills - allowed 14 pressures
Miami - 28
Seattle - 36
San Fran - 18
Zona - 11
Dallas -27

And it was the line's best pass block win rate for the season.
 
It was the lowest amount of pressures the Giants allowed all year with 7.

For reference, here are the others:
Bills - allowed 14 pressures
Miami - 28
Seattle - 36
San Fran - 18
Zona - 11
Dallas -27

And it was the line's best pass block win rate for the season.
There’s a trend there. Lower pressure rate when you’re in the game. We had the luxury to keep the defense honest because we weren’t only passing the ball. The line played better, but 4 sacks is still a bit of an issue. Chase Young was wreaking havoc. Saquon rarely had lanes, the Commanders interior line seemed to be in the backfield very often as he was getting the ball. But, it was an improvement in all facets of the game for the team.
 
I do worry about Jones health with the neck injury and he does seem like he has a deer in headlights look to him.

Amazingly just 1.5 out of the WC, realistically trending toward a 6-7 win team. Yes I rather be in playoffs but I feel we’re realistically better off not making the playoffs so Schoen can stick to a full rebuild and have higher draft picks as we’re not even in the same ballpark as the Eagles and Cowboys.

Play Tyrod for now trade Saquon for whatever you can getI hate to do it but it’s time to move on, let Jones heal and light a fire in him.
 
I do worry about Jones health with the neck injury and he does seem like he has a deer in headlights look to him.

Amazingly just 1.5 out of the WC, realistically trending toward a 6-7 win team. Yes I rather be in playoffs but I feel we’re realistically better off not making the playoffs so Schoen can stick to a full rebuild and have higher draft picks as we’re not even in the same ballpark as the Eagles and Cowboys.

Play Tyrod for now trade Saquon for whatever you can getI hate to do it but it’s time to move on, let Jones heal and light a fire in him.
We gonna trot out Matt Breida as our starter? Come on now…
 
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