Big 12 or B1G

[whaler11]

Dub negs are proper when used for emphasis.

I can say whatever I want about OSU. OSU has always had a cheater's culture.

The public can say whatever they want about PSU because it's always been a community and university that enables child rape.

 

[upstater]

The public can say whatever they want about PSU because it's always been a community and university that enables child rape.

Really? Always? Where'd you come up with that?

The public has the attention span of a flea, by the way.

 

[Adios]

Great, the public with the attention span of a flea approves of the B1G.

 

[Fishy]

You guys are more than a little duck*ing strange with the Penn State stuff.

Let it go.

 

[zls44]

As the irony flies a mile right over upstater's head.

 

[beakumhawks]

I hate the ACC. While the B12 is unstable, adding the Big East schools would ensure its future stability.

Any conference with Tejas in it is, and never will be stable. As far as Tejas is concerned they are doing everyone else a favor by allowing them to share in the greatness that is Tejas.

 

[Adios]

Any conference with Tejas in it is, and never will be stable. As far as Tejas is concerned they are doing everyone else a favor by allowing them to share in the greatness that is Tejas.

Putting together a consortium of the most valuable athletic departments possible would work. Only problem is Texas has the highest revenue out of all athletic departments. Which is why they are the way they are. ND is #2. Oklahoma is #9. The only other route would be for Texas to join the SEC. USC is the only Pac-12 team on that list, coming in at # 17. That will likely change for the worse when LA gets an NFL team.

http://www.forbes.com/pictures/emdm45el/1-university-of-texas-longhorns/

Also lots of B1G teams on that list. No ACC teams. Unsurprisingly. Big 12/B1G or bust. Somehow, Iowa replaced Oklahoma State at #20 on the list.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2011/12/22/college-footballs-most-valuable-teams/

 

[RS9999X]

It's the same thing. Both did not investigate to the fullest. I realize people are still going on about the grand jury presentment at PSU because the national story has been dropped, .

If you go by the Catholic Church cases it's likely 1 in 3 are lying gold diggers and will be outed early in the process. I expect athletic scandals will be the same.

One of Bernie's accusers came clean

>>SYRACUSE, N.Y. -- A prison inmate who was one of four men to accuse a former Syracuse University assistant basketball coach of sexual abuse when they were children has admitted that he made up his claim.

The accuser, Floyd VanHooser, wrote in a letter that he lied to police and in December interviews with The Associated Press and The Post-Standard newspaper of Syracuse. He said he wanted to get back at the coach, Bernie Fine, because Fine did not hire a lawyer to help VanHooser fight a criminal conviction.<<

 

[upstater]

If you go by the Catholic Church cases it's likely 1 in 3 are lying gold diggers and will be outed early in the process. I expect athletic scandals will be the same.

One of Bernie's accusers came clean

>>SYRACUSE, N.Y. -- A prison inmate who was one of four men to accuse a former Syracuse University assistant basketball coach of sexual abuse when they were children has admitted that he made up his claim.

The accuser, Floyd VanHooser, wrote in a letter that he lied to police and in December interviews with The Associated Press and The Post-Standard newspaper of Syracuse. He said he wanted to get back at the coach, Bernie Fine, because Fine did not hire a lawyer to help VanHooser fight a criminal conviction.<<

I think two of the other accusers are lying. This guy? I think he's lying now, but not before. Remember, this is the guy who is in jail and never wanted to come forward. His family pressured him. Did you catch his original story? It was about him having sex with Bernie for money well into his 50s. He's only 12 years younger than Fine, and he met Fine in the late 1960s when he was a kid. He's been in jail off and on for years, and when not in jail, was living with Fine.

 

[Nostical]

If Bernie's accusers are now admitting they lied (wow if true) then all the yapping about Boeheim should cease.

 

[RS9999X]

I think two of the other accusers are lying. This guy? I think he's lying now, but not before. Remember, this is the guy who is in jail and never wanted to come forward. His family pressured him. Did you catch his original story? It was about him having sex with Bernie for money well into his 50s. He's only 12 years younger than Fine, and he met Fine in the late 1960s when he was a kid. He's been in jail off and on for years, and when not in jail, was living with Fine.

There is this clown......

SYRACUSE, N.Y. — A third accuser has come forward in the investigation of child molestation allegations against an assistant basketball coach at Syracuse University.

Zach Tomaselli, 23, of Lewiston, Maine, said Sunday that he told police that associate head coach Bernie Fine molested him in 2002 in a Pittsburgh hotel room. He said Fine touched him “multiple” times in that one incident.
The Post-Standard in Syracuse first reported his accusations earlier Sunday.

Tomaselli, who faces sexual assault charges in Maine involving a 14-year-old boy, said during a telephone interview with The Associated Press that he signed an affidavit accusing Fine following a meeting with Syracuse police last week in Albany.

Syracuse police declined comment. A phone call and email to the office of Onondaga County District Attorney William Fitzpatrick were not immediately returned.

Tomaselli’s father, meanwhile, maintains his son is lying.



http://www.suntimes.com/sports/coll...ses-syracuses-bernie-fine-of-molestation.html

 

[upstater]

If Bernie's accusers are now admitting they lied (wow if true) then all the yapping about Boeheim should cease.

One is, not all. There's a tape that verifies the main accuser.

 

[upstater]

There is this clown......

SYRACUSE, N.Y. — A third accuser has come forward in the investigation of child molestation allegations against an assistant basketball coach at Syracuse University.

Zach Tomaselli, 23, of Lewiston, Maine, said Sunday that he told police that associate head coach Bernie Fine molested him in 2002 in a Pittsburgh hotel room. He said Fine touched him “multiple” times in that one incident.
The Post-Standard in Syracuse first reported his accusations earlier Sunday.

Tomaselli, who faces sexual assault charges in Maine involving a 14-year-old boy, said during a telephone interview with The Associated Press that he signed an affidavit accusing Fine following a meeting with Syracuse police last week in Albany.

Syracuse police declined comment. A phone call and email to the office of Onondaga County District Attorney William Fitzpatrick were not immediately returned.

Tomaselli’s father, meanwhile, maintains his son is lying.



http://www.suntimes.com/sports/coll...ses-syracuses-bernie-fine-of-molestation.html

I posted on this board when Tomaselli came pout that there was something fishy. I wasn't sleuthing, just based on his interview with a reporter in Maine, he seemed oddly nonchalant about the timeline of his father molesting him. He said his father had molested him weeks before Fine did, then quickly changed that to years. Odd.

 

[RS9999X]

They can't corroborate anything Tomaselli is telling them

DA: Records show one Fine accuser lying


The federal statute of limitations in place in 2002, when Tomaselli says he was abused by Fine in a Pittsburgh hotel room, allowed a victim to bring charges until he was 25; Tomaselli is 23.

Fitzpatrick, however, said school and travel records may undercut Tomaselli's account that Fine molested him in a Pittsburgh hotel room in 2002.

Fine's lawyers, Donald Martin and Karl Sleight, said in a statement that it appears ''that there is proof that Tomaselli fabricated this allegation.''

NewsChannel 9 spoke to the 23-year-old Monday about his alleged trip to Pittsburgh where he says Fine molested him.

Tomaselli says he met Bernie Fine in 2001 at an autograph session on campus. That's where he says his dad gave Fine his phone number. The then assistant coach followed up, inviting Zach to an away game in Pittsburgh.

"My parents brought me up to their room and explained to me that Bernie had given me this opportunity and, you know, that I was to behave myself and they went over the itinerary with me," Zach said.

Zach says he took a bus with the team's support staff to Pittsburgh. A team dinner at the hotel was the first thing on the agenda. Zach says he sat across from Fine, but says he paid little attention to him. He said it was afterwards, in the hotel room the two shared, when the abuse took place.

"My dad had been molesting me for four months by that point, so everything that Fine did seemed normal to me, except for the pornography part. Pornography was a big sin to my father and my church," Zach continued.

That's why Zach says he never told anyone.

Zach's dad Fred says Zach is a liar and that he never molested his son. He also says Zach certainly never went to Pittsburgh.

"I know 100 percent that Bernie Fine is not guilty of what Zach is accusing him of, as far as Zach's concerned, because Zach was never alone with Bernie and never met him," Fred Tomaselli told NewsChannel 9.

 

[upstater]

They can't corroborate anything Tomaselli is telling them

DA: Records show one Fine accuser lying


The federal statute of limitations in place in 2002, when Tomaselli says he was abused by Fine in a Pittsburgh hotel room, allowed a victim to bring charges until he was 25; Tomaselli is 23.

Fitzpatrick, however, said school and travel records may undercut Tomaselli's account that Fine molested him in a Pittsburgh hotel room in 2002.

Just an FYI, the DA wasn't the one investigating Tomaselli. It was the Feds. Fitzpatrick made a fool of himself when he said travel records proved that the team did not go to Pitt from Syracuse, as Tomaselli claimed, but rather it went there from a Tennessee roadtrip.

Of course, Tomaselli never claimed that. He said he DIDN'T ride to Pitt with the team.

Doesn't give you much faith when the DA gets basic facts wrong.

Nonetheless, the kid did not seem credible.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

Getting back to the original thread, I agree that ND is the big swing vote hear.
They had the chance to join the new BiG Hockey conference just for hockey and declined. ND clearly has no interest at this time in the BiG and views itself as a national/East Coast school. Joining Hockey East would align them from joining the ACC for everything else. I also keep hearing that ND is selling UConn as Hockey East’s 12th team and the ACC’s 16th team.
That said, if the BiG came calling to Rutgers and UConn, UConn would have to consider it. Doubtful though. Rutgers is praying for an invite to the BiG and Paterno was pushing for them; but, that support is dead now. There is also talk that the BiG will push west and go after some combination of Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas.
See what happens…

 

[Adios]

Someone has to prize the tri-state/New England market. Very densely populated area.

 

[Adios]

It looks like the B1G is hellbent on getting ND to deliver the tri-state market, instead of Rutgers and/or Connecticut.

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/33548/tranghese-big-ten-could-be-big-winner

"You know who's going to be the winner in all this when it's all is said and done if you want to talk about conference? Big Ten. The Big Ten is sitting there, they took Nebraska, they're on the sidelines, they're watching all this chaos, everybody's going to be taking people. And you know you could be standing there all alone at the end? Notre Dame and Texas. And the Big Ten would not be accused of raiding because they're just going to be sitting there."

"I don't think so. ... Before the Big Ten took Nebraska, knowing Jim Delany as well as I do ... Jim did a lot of work. He did a lot of analysis, and I believe that Rutgers was looked at, and Pittsburgh was looked at, and Syracuse was looked at, and Connecticut was looked at. And a lot of schools were looked at. And I think the Big Ten came to the conclusion that the addition of any one of those schools wasn't going to deliver them the New York market. ... So that's why I think that ultimately led them to Nebraska. Now they sit there and they ask themselves the same question: Can they get the New York market with Rutgers or Connecticut? You can do it with Notre Dame."

This ain't going to be pretty. All comes down to duck*ing ND and Texas. All the B1G has to do is add ND, Oklahoma, Kansas, and Texas and they'll be the best conference for decades to come.

This writer mentions Connecticut as a possibility if ND won't go to the B1G, which may very well be possible.

http://www.cleveland.com/livingston/index.ssf/2010/01/if_the_big_ten_does_expand_it.html

This one has been posted before, ranking Connecticut as #2 behind ND as the most desirable candidate for the B1G.

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6270202/21083956

 

[freescooter]

If an invite from the Big 10 came contingent on Notre Dame NOT joining, I would do anything legal or illegal to keep the Irish Independent! Regardless of who else is out there, The Big 10 is the most prestgious conference not named after a plant.

 

[businesslawyer]

They can't corroborate anything Tomaselli is telling them

DA: Records show one Fine accuser lying

"My dad had been molesting me for four months by that point, so everything that Fine did seemed normal to me, except for the pornography part. Pornography was a big sin to my father and my church," Zach continued.

.

Yes, I know that you can't give any credence to what an idiot says, but this is too funny not to comment upon. Translation: "The Church and my father were o.k. with him molesting me, but thank God they drew the line on pornography!"

 

[SAMCRO]

Butchy, you're going back into the archives for those articles. The Celveland.com article is 2 years old, the CBS.com article is just under 2 years old, and the ESPN.com is relatively recent - going back to September of '11.

Of course the B1G wants ND, to deliver the NY/NE market (shoot, to deliver the national market). ND is the big kahuna in all this and can pretty much select their conference, as well as who they want added with them, if/when they decided to join for all sports. If ND went to the ACC, B12, or B1G and said we would like to join for all sports, and we'd like (UConn or Rutgers or insert any FBS school here) to join with us, it would happen.

 

[Dann]

so this is the answer?

big+nd/kan/ok/tex
sec+okst/tt
acc+uconn/ruty

 

[Adios]

ND went to Hockey East for their hockey program when the B1G is forming their own hockey conference. We have no idea what's going to happen. Just hope for the best. Us in the B1G would be the best it can get, obviously. We are very fortunate to have the number of championships we have in basketball. That has taken us very far. Let's hope Calhoun wins another this season!

The B1G can definitely use UConn hockey, too!

 

[HuskyHawk]

so this is the answer?

big+nd/kan/ok/tex
sec+okst/tt
acc+uconn/ruty

That requires Kansas to abandon K-State (which actually has some solid programs). The problem with the superconferences is that too many rivalries are destroyed and too many schools left out in the cold. The landscape is better with more conferences at 10-12. I think we need a playoff, which would favor the smaller conferences, as each would get a spot. It has had that effect in basketball. It could finally break the SEC hold.

 

[JohnUnitas]

I seriously think these conferences are better options than the ACC. Let the ACC have ECU or USF. We can get into a conference better than the ACC. Both conferences have more positives going for them than the ACC.

Louisville, Cincinnati, Rutgers and UConn would be a great package for the Big 12 to add.

I find it to be highly unlikely that a scenario like you've laid out will ever happen with the B12. The general consensus for us living in B12 country is that we really do enjoy the 10 team format and there is no reason to go to 12 unless ND is involved. It's nothing against the schools you've named, but on average our interest in East Coast athletics is more than likely on par with the interest of Midwest athletics on the East Coast - borderline non existent.

Realignment at this point really has no place to go other than the addition of two schools to the B12 and that isn't going to happen unless there is at least one major "helmet" school involved. Current B12 members have basically signed a blood pact that would financially cripple even the likes of Texas if they were to leave and the Tier 1 TV rights are being reuped sooner rather than later in an attempt to keep NBC away, so they are in line to get paid very well very quickly. The next big thing will more than likely be conferences pairing up, much like the B10 and P12 have, which is fairly ingenious - adding inventory without adding mouths to feed. I wouldn't be shocked that if in the future the B12 and SEC do something similar, there are enough ties from the SWC, the Cotton Bowl, geographics, recent realignment, being the top two football conferences, etc.