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Zags: NBA Scouts on Hawkins, Jackson and Clingan

Scout #2 is kind of where I'm at: Hawkins and Jackson need to show more consistency and a more well-rounded game at this level before NBA GMs are going to trust them with a 1st round pick. Jackson may be a 4-year guy. Hawkins probably 3 unless he really shows something consistently this year.

Clingan, wow, the scouts are really big on "can't teach height", and Clingan unlike many others actually has the skill to go with it. He'll be a 2-3 year guy (as soon as Sanogo leaves and he gets to showcase his ability).
 
Tenspro2002 said:
Scout #2 is kind of where I'm at: Hawkins and Jackson need to show more consistency and a more well-rounded game at this level before NBA GMs are going to trust them with a 1st round pick. Jackson may be a 4-year guy. Hawkins probably 3 unless he really shows something consistently this year.

Clingan, wow, the scouts are really big on "can't teach height", and Clingan unlike many others actually has the skill to go with it. He'll be a 2-3 year guy (as soon as Sanogo leaves and he gets to showcase his ability).
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With the skillset NBA guys have these days at 6’9”-6’10” and some at even 7’, I struggle with how DC will be used in the NBA. He seems a lot like a traditional center. I’m not saying he won’t do well, I just can’t get my head around what he’ll look like on the court by then. I can see him becoming deadly from 3, but I have trouble seeing him drive to the hoop.

Who is he most comparable to these days? I don’t watch too much NBA anymore.
 
Nice to see them all getting attention. Sanogo should too. I have a hard time seeing a team draft Jackson, but he'd be highly sought as an undrafted FA. Maybe late 2nd is worth a shot. He just needs to be so much better as a scorer.

Hawkins can shoot, but so can Joey C, and any number of Ivy and Patriot league kids. For Hawkins he needs to keep making those quick, difficult shots and show he can attack the hoop, defend and rebound. Still needs maybe 10 pounds of muscle, he'll be dealing with bigger, faster guys at the next level.
 
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husky429 said:
Sounds like Hawkins could go first-round, the others will be second rounders. I'd expect them to go and try to get a g-league contract for a million like Rese.
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Tyrese is on a standard NBA contract, not a 2-way or a G League contract, but he's playing down with the G League team right now. Big difference in $$$, regular contract is twice as much $$ as 2-way. I believe he is in the minority with regards to getting the standard contract as a 2nd Rd pick, certainly as a late 2nd Rd pick
 
Hoophound said:
Who is he most comparable to these days? I don’t watch too much NBA anymore.
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walker kessler was drafted in the 1st round (#22) this summer. 7'1 245 lb traditional C not a freak athlete.

he averaged 11 and 8 with 4.5 blks per game at auburn. now he plays 15 mpg on a good jazz team.

clingan will be better than him if he isnt already. i just hope we can have him for 2 seasons at this point...
 
HuskyWarrior611 said:
I don’t see Clingan lasting more than 2 years. Once he gets 30 mins a game and shows off his passing ability and starts stepping out to hit 3s he’s going top 10 minimum.
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I'd be thrilled if we get him for 2 year. I forget what thread, but another poster shared an article where a scout said Clingan will be a first rounder in whatever draft he decides to enter.
 
Hoophound said:
With the skillset NBA guys have these days at 6’9”-6’10” and some at even 7’, I struggle with how DC will be used in the NBA. He seems a lot like a traditional center. I’m not saying he won’t do well, I just can’t get my head around what he’ll look like on the court by then. I can see him becoming deadly from 3, but I have trouble seeing him drive to the hoop.

Who is he most comparable to these days? I don’t watch too much NBA anymore.
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7-footers who can rebound and block shots still have a place in the NBA and probably always will. they just don't get massive contracts unless they have guard skills (e.g. jokic and embiid) or are absolutely transcendent on d (e.g. rudy gobert)

as @bendm stated, kessler is a good recent comp. a guy like valunciunas does more on the offensive end, but could be a good comp as well. the recent zags article had zubac as a comp. these types of players are all over the league.
 
According to Sports Illustrated, an American man between 6'6' " and 6'8" has 0.07% chance of making the NBA. For someone 7-foot or taller, the number is 17%. Clingan is definitely going to the NBA.
 
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husky429 said:
Sounds like Hawkins could go first-round, the others will be second rounders. I'd expect them to go and try to get a g-league contract for a million like Rese.
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Sounds like Clingan is a first rounder, Hawkins is borderline, and Jackson is a second rounder.
 
HuskyWarrior611 said:
I don’t see Clingan lasting more than 2 years. Once he gets 30 mins a game and shows off his passing ability and starts stepping out to hit 3s he’s going top 10 minimum.
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We’ll be lucky if he stays 2.
 
TheRealKBuks said:
I'd be thrilled if we get him for 2 year. I forget what thread, but another poster shared an article where a scout said Clingan will be a first rounder in whatever draft he decides to enter.
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Clingan will be a first rounder, whenever he leaves, but he will continue to move up in the first round as he gains experience. And if he hangs around till his junior year, I think he’ll be a very high pick as big as he is, and he’s huge, he still looks more like a high school kid than a college athlete. With time, experience and strength and conditioning, he is going to be a force to be reckoned with.

So, here’s my hot take, Hawkins to me, doesn’t look ready to leave, yet. Don’t get me wrong, he’s talented enough to leave, and would be drafted, but I think he would benefit from another year of maturity and strength and conditioning. I may have a different opinion by the end of the year, though.

Andre, I expect to be gone at the end of the year. There’s plenty of things I’d like to see him work on, but his extraordinary physical gifts are enough to get him drafted. I think it’s unlikely he would stay.

No insider info there, that’s just my opinion. I know a lot of people disagree with me about Jordan.
 
Curious - anybody know where Edey is mocked to be drafted right now?
 
CL82 said:
Clingan will be a first rounder, whenever he leaves, but he will continue to move up in the first round as he gains experience. And if he hangs around till his junior year, I think he’ll be a very high pick as big as he is, and he’s huge, he still looks more like a high school kid than a college athlete. With time, experience and strength and conditioning, he is going to be a force to be reckoned with.

So, here’s my hot take, Hawkins to me, doesn’t look ready to leave, yet. Don’t get me wrong, he’s talented enough to leave, and would be drafted, but I think he would benefit from another year of maturity and strength and conditioning. I may have a different opinion by the end of the year, though.

Andre, I expect to be gone at the end of the year. There’s plenty of things I’d like to see him work on, but his extraordinary physical gifts are enough to get him drafted. I think it’s unlikely he would stay.

No insider info there, that’s just my opinion. I know a lot of people disagree with me about Jordan.
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It's so early to speculate but I think Jackson will be the only one coming back out of Hawkins, Sanogo, and Jackson. I think Hawk will be a lottery pick if he shoots 45% from three this season and shows well in his workouts. He's showing NBA moves to get his threes off and his release is so quick, he also plays great D.

It's kind of hard for me to envision Sanogo in the NBA, but he'll have a shot. Jackson will play in the NBA.
 
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HuskyHawk said:
Nice to see them all getting attention. Sanogo should too. I have a hard time seeing a team draft Jackson, but he'd be highly sought as an undrafted FA. Maybe late 2nd is worth a shot. He just needs to be so much better as a scorer.

Hawkins can shoot, but so can Joey C, and any number of Ivy and Patriot league kids. For Hawkins he needs to keep making those quick, difficult shots and show he can attack the hoop, defend and rebound. Still needs maybe 10 pounds of muscle, he'll be dealing with bigger, faster guys at the next level.
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He has shown he can defend and rebound. I watched a ton of film from CP3s invitational camp this summer and Hawk played chest to chest with pros, ranked college kids. I agree he needs to attack the hoop better. To equate him with Patriot/Ivy and even Joey C is a bit absurd
Not sure he will go after this year
AS is a tough one due to his size. He shows a 3 point shot but needs that midrange off the dribble. Haven’t seen that yet. He may be back next year
Can you imagine the team if everyone returns a Castle as the PG. My God
 
REB1094 said:
Curious - anybody know where Edey is mocked to be drafted right now?
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NBA scouting report has him late second round. Bleacher report and ESPN mocks do not have him listed in either round.
 
gtcam said:
He has shown he can defend and rebound. I watched a ton of film from CP3s invitational camp this summer and Hawk played chest to chest with pros, ranked college kids. I agree he needs to attack the hoop better. To equate him with Patriot/Ivy and even Joey C is a bit absurd
Not sure he will go after this year
AS is a tough one due to his size. He shows a 3 point shot but needs that midrange off the dribble. Haven’t seen that yet. He may be back next year
Can you imagine the team if everyone returns a Castle as the PG. My God
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How on earth will Sanogo be back next year? Every game starts with announcers saying “one of the best players in the country”. Regardless of any perceived flaw in his game I just don’t see it.
 
REB1094 said:
Curious - anybody know where Edey is mocked to be drafted right now?
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Borderline 2nd round pick.


The nice thing about projecting where guys may end up in the draft evaluation process is that if they end up at the high end of BY expectations we'll have enjoyed a very fun ride of all our top end talent maxing out at the college level.
 
Much of their final position will be based on how well they perform in the conference at NCAA tournament. At this point hearing they have NBA talent, skill sets, and interest is great. There are a ton of guys who have moved pretty easily from the early second to the mid first with a stellar tournament.
 
I didn't interpret those snippets from scouts the same way other posters seem to have. I read those scout comments as an endorsement that all of them have questions and aren't particularly ready for this year's draft unless they want to be drafted late and play in the G league. Ironically, Hawks shooting doesn't offset concerns about his overall game, Jackson's overall game doesn't offset his lack of shooting. Clingan is most desirable long term, ie not for a couple years. It would also seem, given the omission from the article, Sanogo seems destined for more college or non nba pro. Obviously there is a lot of season to improve on those takes. If guys leave, it won't be because they are sure fire bets to stick in the nba next year.
 
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Ricker said:
I didn't interpret those snippets from scouts the same way other posters seem to have. I read those scout comments as an endorsement that all of them have questions and aren't particularly ready for this year's draft unless they want to be drafted late and play in the G league. Ironically, Hawks shooting doesn't offset concerns about his overall game, Jackson's overall game doesn't offset his lack of shooting. Clingan is most desirable long term, ie not for a couple years. It would also seem, given the omission from the article, Sanogo seems destined for more college or non nba pro. Obviously there is a lot of season to improve on those takes. If guys leave, it won't be because they are sure fire bets to stick in the nba next year.
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This, none of them should leave. Clingan won’t I am sure just a gut feeling he knows he needs to get better and play more minutes next year at least. Hawkins doesn’t finish well enough for sure but he’s ready coming off screens shooting it. Still needs to refine the handle it’s a ways away. AJ just can’t shoot and he also needs to finish better. Start trying to get to the hole and dunk actually. That floater isn’t making an NBA scout drool. Sanogo continues to struggle versus long guys and his jumpers is a set shot that takes too long to prep for. He can make oodles of cash overseas though at least doubt we get another year from him.

All good players lucky to have them. If most stay next year the only people who won’t be happy will be the rest of college basketball. And maybe a couple kids coming in who expect to log more minutes.
 
elmcityboy said:
7-footers who can rebound and block shots still have a place in the NBA and probably always will. they just don't get massive contracts unless they have guard skills (e.g. jokic and embiid) or are absolutely transcendent on d (e.g. rudy gobert)
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But do they have long careers if they are effective. I believe he has a nice stroke and touch. Before he leaves he will be shooting threes, just like Sanogo. I like that Dan Hurley understands that his bigs need to shoot threes for the next step.
 
mauconnfan said:
This, none of them should leave. Clingan won’t I am sure just a gut feeling he knows he needs to get better and play more minutes next year at least. Hawkins doesn’t finish well enough for sure but he’s ready coming off screens shooting it. Still needs to refine the handle it’s a ways away. AJ just can’t shoot and he also needs to finish better. Start trying to get to the hole and dunk actually. That floater isn’t making an NBA scout drool. Sanogo continues to struggle versus long guys and his jumpers is a set shot that takes too long to prep for. He can make oodles of cash overseas though at least doubt we get another year from him.

All good players lucky to have them. If most stay next year the only people who won’t be happy will be the rest of college basketball. And maybe a couple kids coming in who expect to log more minutes.
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NIL has made the decisions for guys like Sanogo who don’t really fit the current NBA mold much more interesting. Previously, the answer was that they really didn’t have anything left to prove and one more year wasn’t going to make that skill set more in demand, so go make some money somewhere. Now that calculus when they can come back and be a star with national exposure and NIL opportunities really changes the calculus as we’ve already seen with some big names.
 
They all have different possible outcomes. Hawkins has the profile of someone that is more of a “prototypical” nba guard.
Jackson is a guy that some nba teams could fall in love with but others would be scared off by his weird jump shot. The form of his shot causes him to not be able to make moves to create a shot like side steps, dribble moves to pull ups, etc. that’s why he chooses to use his infamous floater instead. I’m all for it because basketball needs more unique, quirky players but I’m also not working for an nba team.
 
HuskyWarrior611 said:
I don’t see Clingan lasting more than 2 years. Once he gets 30 mins a game and shows off his passing ability and starts stepping out to hit 3s he’s going top 10 minimum.
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Agreed. DC getting respect from the people who know best.......ie NBA scouts. Just because he doesn't follow the usual pattern (HS vs. AAU, etc.) is no reason to short change him. Listen to what the scouts say. Use the eye test.
 
jibsey said:
How on earth will Sanogo be back next year? Every game starts with announcers saying “one of the best players in the country”. Regardless of any perceived flaw in his game I just don’t see it.
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Because college basketball big men who aren't good NBA prospects stay in college now. Zach Edey, Hunter Dickinson, Drew Timme, Armando Bacot, Oscar Tshiebwe was the national player of the year last year and he returned. NBA doesn't have much interest in players like Sanogo and with NIL opportunities in college now it makes a lot more sense for players to stay, it doesn't mean he'll stay though.
 
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