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XL center renovations considered as part of sports betting deal

The only way it will be worth spending a huge amount to fix up the XL Center is if we can use it as a bargaining
chip to get UConn into the ACC or B10.
 
I disagree. A capital city needs a nice arena.
Back in 2015, it was reported that a new XL Center would cost $500 million, renovated one $250 million. Given the cost overruns one would see in a crooked, incompetent city like Hartford, those numbers likely are on the lower side. UConn wouldn't even put its med school/dental school in Hartford opting instead for a fancy suburb. I think we could make the case if we were joining ND in the ACC. Otherwise, the governor who backed such a plan likely would be voted out of office in the next election.
 
Personally, renovating the XL center and make it a hub of sorts for betting would solve a lot of the issues revolving us playing in Hartford. Would probably make the building profitable and we would no longer have to prop it up.
 
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Gambling as an economic growth engine is a joke. Cleveland has tried it. A dismal failure despite two downtown sports venues. Wishing Hartford all the best but this is not forward looking or innovative. It’s just another source of money to be thrown out the window with no lasting benefit. A tax on an addiction.
 
Gambling as an economic growth engine is a joke. Cleveland has tried it. A dismal failure despite two downtown sports venues. Wishing Hartford all the best but this is not forward looking or innovative. It’s just another source of money to be thrown out the window with no lasting benefit. A tax on an addiction.
do you have any idea the amount of money going through the sports book in NJ @ the racetrack near Metlife?
 
If they really want to get serious with the XL they have to throw a boat load of money around and build a top of the line brand new arena.

Give the Hurricane a sweetheart deal to come back and be the Whalers. Because without the pro team, there's no way they are pumping big money on an arena.
 
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It needs to be joint venture between the state and Mohegan/Foxwoods. I would say both...make it a three-way split. New arena, casino, sports book, poker room, hotel, restaurant, shops etc. High Rollers bowling alley at Foxwoods is awesome - bring one here. Between both casinos, there are awesome restaurants - bring some here. The spas at both places are great (I prefer G Spa at Foxwoods) - bring one here. I used to love the poker rooms and race book at the CT casinos, until MGM Grand opened their poker room (but no race book) - open one here. Throw in a Top Golf, or an indoor golf simulator, a spot with darts, a mini golf, a brewery, and of course a Bear's BBQ. I'd never leave the place.
 
“It’s easy to imagine how a retail sports betting venue that is part of a larger dining and entertainment venue could be a great component of a renovated XL Center,” (Hartford Mayor) Bronin said.

This is exactly what's wrong with how Connecticut planning. Renovating the XL makes zero sense financially, but if we add as sports book to it, it suddenly does? Seriously Connecticut political decision making is unbelievable.
 
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do you have any idea the amount of money going through the sports book in NJ @ the racetrack near Metlife?
Exactly! The legalization of sports betting also is what boosted the resurgence of Atlantic City. New Jersey was smart, they were prepared, and as soon as the federal ban on sports betting was lifted, NJ had sports books up and running within weeks.

With Connecticut having two of the largest casinos in the world, you would think they would have done the same thing. Better late than never, but It seems like the state has some good ideas and things are in motion.
 
Exactly! The legalization of sports betting also is what boosted the resurgence of Atlantic City. New Jersey was smart, they were prepared, and as soon as the federal ban on sports betting was lifted, NJ had sports books up and running within weeks.

With Connecticut having two of the largest casinos in the world, you would think they would have done the same thing. Better late than never, but It seems like the state has some good ideas and things are in motion.
I hope you guys are right but I think the far better approach for CT is to invest in and expand cutting edge technology with UConn as the base for expertise. There is available land and low-cost housing in Northeastern CT. In the long run that will be real job creators. UConn's new president has a national reputation in engineering. And who know, it may lead to AAU membership for UConn.
 
“It’s easy to imagine how a retail sports betting venue that is part of a larger dining and entertainment venue could be a great component of a renovated XL Center,” (Hartford Mayor) Bronin said.

This is exactly what's wrong with how Connecticut planning. Renovating the XL makes zero sense financially, but if we add as sports book to it, it suddenly does? Seriously Connecticut political decision making is unbelievable.
You just sound like one of those anti-Hartford people. Stay out in Putnam, Avon, or Guilford...or wherever you're from. I see zero wrong with that statement. It is easy to see. It would be great.

When it happens, please don't come. And would it make sense if Mohegan/Foxwoods chipped in?
 
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And how is the area around it?

(I mean other than its usefulness for mob burials.)
It’s fine. Some hotels and light industrial. 2 major highways. Residential about 1 mile away
 
It’s fine. Some hotels and light industrial. 2 major highways. Residential about 1 mile away
So really nothing in the immediate area but the garden spot of Rutherford New Jersey is about a mile away.
 
You just sound like one of those anti-Hartford people. Stay out in Putnam, Avon, or Guilford...or wherever you're from. I see zero wrong with that statement. It is easy to see. It would be great.

When it happens, please don't come. And would it make sense if Mohegan/Foxwoods chipped in?
The problem is that it’s what’s called “magic thinking.“ That’s how toddlers think. As in ”I wish fir this to be true, therefore it must be true.” It makes no rational sense. If the CDRA believes that adding a sports book makes the casino more viable, they should show actual financial projections to back it up. The fact that they haven’t speaks volumes.
 
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The problem is that it’s what’s called “magic thinking.“ That’s how toddlers think. Ali, I wish this to be true, therefore it must be true. It makes no rational sense. That’s how toddlers think. ”I wish fir this to be true, therefore it must be true.” It makes no rational sense. If the CDRA believes that adding a sports book makes the casino more viable, they should show actual financial projections to back it up. The fact that they haven’t, speaks volumes.
What if the casinos chipped in so we were only the hook for a third of the investment?

Also, this would be a public good. Besides myself, I could think of countless people that I know personally that would enjoy the use of such an establishment. Public goods don't necessarily have to profit to "work," or to be "deemed a success." Were jobs created? Did people frequent the city, which then has ancillary benefits? Did local housing markets experience a slight uptick in value? Were insurance jobs kept? I could go on and on.

Public goods can be expenses. They can't be thought of as private investment, in the private market. And again, if the casinos could go thirds with the state, it would benefit all. As a taxpayer, these are the things I actually want my money to go towards. Bring it on please.
 
What if the casinos chipped in so we were only the hook for a third of the investment?
Why would they? What is the benefit to them?
Also, this would be a public good. Besides myself, I could think of countless people that I know personally that would enjoy the use of such an establishment. Public goods don't necessarily have to profit to "work," or to be "deemed a success." Were jobs created? Did people frequent the city, which then has ancillary benefits? Did local housing markets experience a slight uptick in value? Were insurance jobs kept? I could go on and on.
Well, if it would be a “public good“ I guess that would make it all right… But wait doesn’t that nonsensical argument mean that government should spend unlimited money for anything that is vaguely perceived To convey some non-quantifiable public benefit. That seems like a really bad governing principle.

Take a look at the “benefits“ that you’ve listed they are vague, imaginary and unquantifiable. Imagining a benefit is different than there being a benefit. Our jobs going to be created? Well, how many of them, how long will they last, what will they pay, will they actually benefit taxpayers are they going to be jobs for people who aren’t part of the tax base? I particularly liked the wheel local housing markets experience a “slight” uptick... [chuckle] even you don’t seem particularly convinced by that. “Were insurance jobs kept?” is even more tenuous. The thing is these types of things, well not exactly these but similar economic benefits, can be quantified in studied. The reason that none of the advocates for the project have, or will, is because they are imaginary. Taxpayer dollars are in monopoly money which you just throw at vague ideas. The decision to move forward with the project has an impact on local residents.
Public goods can be expenses. They can't be thought of as private investment, in the private market
This is absolutely wrong. Any investment of public funds needs to be analyzed and quantified as thoroughly as you would a private investment. To feel to do that would be a fundamental breach of the duties of the governing body.
And again, if the casinos could go thirds with the state, it would benefit all
Again, why would they? And again, would it actually benefit all?
As a taxpayer, these are the things I actually want my money to go towards.
I understand that, but I think that you haven’t really thought it through. What expenses of the city of Hartford, or the state of Connecticut are you willing to forgo so we can afford this? Snow plowing? Policing? Environmental regulation? Or perhaps you believe we should keep all those things but instead should just tax people more? In a state that is struggling as much economically as Connecticut, does that seem like a good idea? What things with the Connecticut taxpayers have to forgo individually to be able to afford the additional taxes? If they could not, would they just leave?
 
I was curious about the new Dickies Arena in Fort Worth, site of the AAC tournament.
Basketball: 13,550
Cost: $540 million
Opened: November 2019
Opening Show: 21 Pilots
Tenants: Fort Worth Stock Show and Rodeo, Panther City Lacrosse Club
"Dickies Arena has the second-largest, continuous 360-degree screen in North America. The scoreboard is so large, it extends past the width of the basketball court."

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