Xavier Post Game Thread

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a not insignificant part of this board had Stew and Ross going pro soon, so there clearly is some talent evaluation issues both here and potentially with the coaching staff with this roster

I am a huge fan of Stewart and it pains me to say this. Stewart and Ross have had a great opportunity to prove themselves and neither have stepped up. The way they have played, I would not expect to see many minutes from either when Liam returns.
At the beginning of the year the fear was how deep this team was. Once Liam returns HD, Ball, Liam and AK could & should all be playing 30-35 minutes a game. Ross, Stewie and AM will be fighting for 20-30 minutes available per game.

 

[uconngb]

Jayden Ross competes way too hard for the way that some of you guys are talking about him. He has flaws, especially offensively, but he’s in over his head because the roster needs him to be.

He’s probably our best wing defender, generally attacks the glass pretty hard, had some good contests at the rim as help side defender, and didn’t turn the ball over. Obviously he can’t have 40/22/66 shooting splits forever, but the reason he plays is because we need SOMEBODY who can guard. Swain was making a lot of noise in the first half and Ross is a big reason he didn’t continue to.

If in fact he is our best wing defender, which he may or may not be, that says a lot (actually, a little) about our defense. Because I’m pretty sure I could head fake and go by him with ease.

 

[superjohn]

Yes, what I saw last night gave me hope that AM may be able to contribute in a meaningful way when we reach the point where a loss would end our season.

I also believe that Reed will need to start contributing something of substance on a very consistent basis for us to have a chance.

Last night should have been a great spot for him as he should have had physical advantages over Fremantle or Hunter yet he disappeared. He has regressed over the past couple of weeks and this is a problem.

Reed didn't touch the ball, we need to get him the ball for him to be effective. You take out the Butler game and he's averaging a little over 3 field goal attempts over the last 8 games, it's ridiculous.

 

[RuffRuff]

Reed didn't touch the ball, we need to get him the ball for him to be effective. You take out the Butler game and he's averaging a little over 3 field goal attempts over the last 8 games, it's ridiculous.

At this point it generally doesn’t feel part of the game plan. We can recommend it here till we are blue in the face.

I’m starting to realize Hurley is a much better coach when he has 4 NBA players in the starting lineup.

 

[PAHusky]

At this point it generally doesn’t feel part of the game plan. We can recommend it here till we are blue in the face.

I’m starting to realize Hurley is a much better coach when he has 4 NBA players in the starting lineup.

What’s sort of baffling to me is that Reed seems to be a poor man’s Adams and I thought Danny did a great job Adams’s last year of creating an offense where, when they need a bucket, they could get him isolated down low. Seems to be totally missing now. Just endless screens and cuts going nowhere.

Our offense has become so predictable and/or is being so badly run that solo carried last night because karaban’s defender jumped the route.

 

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I’m starting to realize Hurley is a much better coach when he has 4 NBA players in the starting lineup.

any coach would be better when having 4 NBA players in their starting lineup. However,you seem to be forgetting this team has 3 NBA players starting now.

 

[JustbrewitMan]

If in fact he is our best wing defender, which he may or may not be, that says a lot (actually, a little) about our defense. Because I’m pretty sure I could head fake and go by him with ease.

I see we’ve reached the point where middle-aged (or even elderly) discussion board warriors proudly claim they can “school” D-1-level late teen/early 20’s CBB players.

I like to drink my coffee in the morning, not spit it out on my phone…

 

[Huskydog45]

The positive takes from this game

McNeeley out
Karaban is still injured…didn’t practice all week
Samson was a warrior
Breakout game for Mahaney. This is what he can bring to this team…this kid is a player….just needed time
Fought back 3 times from down 10 to down 4 and then taking lead..a sign that they have championship pedigree
They have 5 losses this year by 5 or less and 3 of those are without McNeeley
3-3 without McNeeley with two 2 point losses on road
Raucous environment on the road on a Saturday night to a team with a great coach and that needed that game….
Home game against DePaul Wed and then hopefully McNeeley back for Marquette

 

[mauconnfan]

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Nice strawman. I said he’d be a productive player here and I’m not ready to write him off. Not that he’s been amazing this year or that it’s his first poor performance. Go way back and you’ll see I said the same thing about Isaiah Whaley when he was buried on the bench. Time will tell.

I agree on Whaley but he showed it when he had a couple minutes. He only ended up playing more for Dan because of injuries and he finally got a chance. But he was long and smart, Ross isn’t the same guy don’t see it. He’s too whacked as well, needs loods to calm down. He has no offense and his defense has been rather unimpressive. Time will tell but not a lot right now.

 

[JustbrewitMan]

Reed didn't touch the ball, we need to get him the ball for him to be effective. You take out the Butler game and he's averaging a little over 3 field goal attempts over the last 8 games, it's ridiculous.

We tried last night if you were paying attention. Unfortunately, in one case, he couldn’t seal off Freemantle for an entry pass on the block. Then his lack of defense kept taking him off the court.

I know “we’re not utilizing Tarris” is your thing for the last 6-8 games or so, and I love the kid, but Tarris has played a huge part in this stretch of games of making sure that he’s not being utilized. He needs to figure it out, we desperately need him to.

Same goes for JStew. It’s maddening to see what he can deliver in brief flashes every 2nd or 3rd game.

 

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Calhoun pretty much invented the quick hook. That’s how he taught. The number of names that escaped the quick hook would probably fit on one hand. Ray, Rip, Caron, Emeka….

There’s a difference between a quick hook that he used on everybody and allowed guys to get back in the game and not playing someone at all after they make a mistake because they are a freshmen.

We don’t have to keep being dense about this.

 

[RuffRuff]

What’s sort of baffling to me is that Reed seems to be a poor man’s Adams and I thought Danny did a great job Adams’s last year of creating an offense where, when they need a bucket, they could get him isolated down low. Seems to be totally missing now. Just endless screens and cuts going nowhere.

Our offense has become so predictable and/or is being so badly run that solo carried last night because karaban’s defender jumped the route.

Two things - staff seems wed to analytics and “shooting”, playing outside in, and they don’t trust Reed as he comes off as inconsistent upstairs. As apt to lose the ball as he is make a great post move.

 

[RuffRuff]

If in fact he is our best wing defender, which he may or may not be, that says a lot (actually, a little) about our defense. Because I’m pretty sure I could head fake and go by him with ease.

He may be but man the bar is low.

 

[JustbrewitMan]

At this point, all I can do is laugh at how all these Clark Kent’s turn into Superman when they play us.

Maddox Jr has done jack-crap pretty much all season against all other teams. Had been in a recent slump where he brought nothingburgers to the stat line.

Versus us, he goes 3/4 from 3, including circus shot fall away 3s that turn into “and ones”.

We played a set of excellent defense last night that ended in conceding a 3 to a dude who was shooting sub-30% in BE play. Great job remembering the scout.

Of course, he calmly swishes the 3 like he’s Steph Curry.

 

[WhereistheDove?]

There’s no honor in claiming the refs were good just for the heck of it. They weren’t good, both ways.

Yeah, put the relative fairness of the refs conversation to the side, that second half was hideous to watch, largely because of the inconsistency of the refs. Completely let the game get away from them, then clearly went through a stretch where they were trying to even out the fouls. Truly awful work by that crew.

 

[RuffRuff]

At this point, all I can do is laugh at how all these Clark Kent’s turn into Superman when they play us.

Maddox Jr has done jack-crap pretty much all season against all other teams. Had been in a recent slump where he brought nothingburgers to the stat line.

Versus us, he goes 3/4 from 3, including circus shot fall away 3s that turn into “and ones”.

We played a set of excellent defense last night that ended in conceding a 3 to a dude who was shooting sub-30% in BE play. Great job remembering the scout.

Of course, he calmly swishes the 3 like he’s Steph Curry.

When it’s 1-2 games, it may be Superman complex, but when it’s 10+ maybe it’s a wimpy villain, lol.

 

[superjohn]

We tried last night if you were paying attention. Unfortunately, in one case, he couldn’t seal off Freemantle for an entry pass on the block. Then his lack of defense kept taking him off the court.

I know “we’re not utilizing Tarris” is your thing for the last 6-8 games or so, and I love the kid, but Tarris has played a huge part in this stretch of games of making sure that he’s not being utilized. He needs to figure it out, we desperately need him to.

Same goes for JStew. It’s maddening to see what he can deliver in brief flashes every 2nd or 3rd game.

It's my thing because we're not utilizing him. I pay attention every game and we're no longer using him. Throw it into him once and it doesn't work out and then totally abandon using him. We don't get easy offense, getting the ball down low to him is easy offense.

 

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Wait, you dont think JC had a quick hook with young players?

Like I said in the other post. He did it with everybody and the quick hook didn’t mean you were benched all game. You were able to get back in you just did something stupid and you were going to hear about it.

Also saying that there were complaints (not you) for Kemba Walker playing time when he got more minutes than Mahaney and Nowell combined on a roster with 10x the guard talent than this one is literally revisionist history.

Making stuff up based on nothing for what reason?

 

[TheHorde]

You all better get us now 2.0. Ride or die. It’s a rough stretch but my long term belief in this staff isn’t shaken one bit. You can’t win every year folks. Dynasty after dynasty finds that out. The Chiefs will find that out too. Maybe not today or in 2 weeks. But they will.

 

[RuffRuff]

a not insignificant part of this board had Stew and Ross going pro soon, so there clearly is some talent evaluation issues both here and potentially with the coaching staff with this roster

Stew is easily the hardest kid on the roster to figure out. He was a complete no show. His operating rythym is so up and down. Also, Ahmad play 2 minutes to a net -9?

 

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Stew is easily the hardest kid on the roster to figure out. He was a complete no show. His operating rythym is so up and down. Also, Ahmad play 2 minutes to a net -9?

I just think Stew isn’t a good fit for this offense. Hes not a catch and shoot guy and for some reason he doesn’t put it on the floor much or seems like he gets actions called for him to do so.

I don’t remember him being aggressive at all yesterday. He seems very talented, just a bad fit here.

 

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You can see the talent with Ross. He is just nervous out there and seems afraid to make mistakes and miss shots. Game is moving way too fast for him.

I haven’t seen almost any drives to the rim for him all year either. Almost all his shots from the half court come from behind the 3PT line which is awful for a guy with no confidence.

 

[Glastonhusky]

Jayden Ross competes way too hard for the way that some of you guys are talking about him. He has flaws, especially offensively, but he’s in over his head because the roster needs him to be.

He’s probably our best wing defender, generally attacks the glass pretty hard, had some good contests at the rim as help side defender, and didn’t turn the ball over. Obviously he can’t have 40/22/66 shooting splits forever, but the reason he plays is because we need SOMEBODY who can guard. Swain was making a lot of noise in the first half and Ross is a big reason he didn’t continue to.

I don't know what people expect from Ross. He is what he is, a very good athlete, raw offensively but someone who can guard some of the bigger guards we face in the BE (who on our roster is going to guard Kadary Richmond). As I recall some of the services had him ranked outside of the top 100 coming out of HS. I hope his offense will improve but right now he's a bench piece who may be a starter by year 4.

 

[SYF75]

Soft and possible bubble team this year....back to back is so rare there has to be a let down at some point. Karaban will be back too no way he's drafted 1st round

 

[yungdowork]

It's my thing because we're not utilizing him. I pay attention every game and we're no longer using him. Throw it into him once and it doesn't work out and then totally abandon using him. We don't get easy offense, getting the ball down low to him is easy offense.

Posting up Tarris consistently disrupts our normal offense because we need our center to screen for our shooters. If he can prove he can stay on the floor, maybe that trade off would be worth it. As it is, he had 4 fouls in 11 minutes, against a team who doesn’t play anyone bigger than 6’9. Except for the Butler OT game, he’s been fouling at a higher rate than Samson.

Samson has also been much better recently and has had double figures in 4 of the last 7 games.

 

[Deleted at users request]

Wait, you dont think JC had a quick hook with young players?

Also, more video proof that it was with everybody.

Full Georgetown game from the 2009 team where he pulled AJ Price, Jerome Dyson, and Craig Austrie within the first 3 minutes of the game.

It didn’t matter who you were. Can this board please stop saying the quick hook was only for young players now? We don’t have to make stuff up.

(P.S. our old squads deserve more games that they won on YouTube. It seems like most of the full games are ones they lost lol)

 

[Dove]

Solo and AK will play in the NBA. Tarris has the talent to make it but we're not using him right. We badly need our best NBA prospect back.

One day, yes. Not next year.

 

[Slick]

Our season went up in smoke on January 1st. Most here just didn’t realize it at the time.

If we can get Mahaney playing like he did yesterday and Liam comes back from this injury we could make some noise in post season

 

[Umami Zen]

Hard to win a close BE road game with one made 3 in the second half

 

[Huskydog45]

Soft and possible bubble team this year....back to back is so rare there has to be a let down at some point. Karaban will be back too no way he's drafted 1st round