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Wow, is there a “character” concern for Tenn’s Horston?

Shades said:
The value of the merchandise was only $124.97. I don’t believe that’s enough value to constitute a felony in any state.
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Hmmm, Tommy Hilfiger, $124.97. Must have been a scarf or pair of socks??? :cool:
 
eebmg said:
Nice story but hard to see the relevancy to Horston's situation (different age, different level of public scrutiny, different expectations) and even less relevancy to my comment regarding the need to identify that a punishment is a punishment.
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You missed my point, punishment that is punishment for me would have been the belt and I would have known the pain associated with my act of stealing, however that probably would not have been nearly as effective in deterring my future behavior as was the chance Mr. Sam gave me to correct my behavior. I suppose what I was trying to say is this young lady can learn from this as I did with a little understanding and that understanding includes doing something to atone for her act. Being suspended from a game would be punishment for punishment sake but not really a chance to atone. That is why I said I hope she find her Mr. Sam, in other words a chance to atone for her mistake.
 
I wonder how the Summitt or Vol Nation would react if a UConn player was arrested for Stealing. Perhaps our Lady Vol fans that posted on this thread would like to speculate how their fans would post. I doubt it would be as level headed as the UConn fans have posted.
 
Wbbfan1 said:
I wonder how the Summitt or Vol Nation would react if a UConn player was arrested for Stealing. Perhaps our Lady Vol fans that posted on this thread would like to speculate how their fans would post. I doubt it would be as level headed as the UConn fans have posted.
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Well in their defense, they'd be going apoplectic vis-a-vis the team that stole their thunder, has taken 6 titles since their last one, and has passed by UT on the way to the summit of women's college basketball...

...whereas Huskies fans are commenting on a player on a team on a multi-game losing streak to Alabama and whose fans will be ecstatic if they can win more than one game in the Tournament.

Of course they'd be outraged. And of course we mostly don't really care... :D
 
TheFarmFan said:
Well in their defense, they'd be going apoplectic vis-a-vis the team that stole their thunder, has taken 6 titles since their last one, and has passed by UT on the way to the summit of women's college basketball...

...whereas Huskies fans are commenting on a player on a team on a multi-game losing streak to Alabama and whose fans will be ecstatic if they can win more than one game in the Tournament.

Of course they'd be outraged. And of course we mostly don't really care... :D
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I am a UConn fan and I care.
 
Puppy Love said:
A ‘mistake’ is cutting class, being late to practice, hurting someone’s feelings or maybe blowing off an event you committed to attend. Stealing is a crime, not a ‘mistake’.

While I think we give young people some latitude and perhaps less punishment because of their immaturity when committing crimes, I don’t think we do them any favors by downplaying it for what it is. Unfortunately, when you accept the benefit of being in the public eye, it comes with a cost. Her reputation is tarnished and it is up to her to figure out how to rebuild it.
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Oh good lord. Speeding is also a crime, but 95% of people do it. Ever crossed the street without a crosswalk? I'm not saying what she did was right, but the dramatics of how some of you are responding to this is ridiculous and I'm sure driven, intentionally or not, because she goes to TN.

How we behave as a person is based a lot on our life experiences and I'm pretty sure no one really understands what might have driven her to do this. No one is in a position to judge her and at this point, if she goes on to be a 2X AA and WNBA star - no, I don't think this is going to 'tarnish' her image. So many of us made mistakes, even technically breaking the law, in our youth and ended up just fine. I'm hopeful that she learned from it and will move on.
 
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Wbbfan1 said:
I wonder how the Summitt or Vol Nation would react if a UConn player was arrested for Stealing. Perhaps our Lady Vol fans that posted on this thread would like to speculate how their fans would post. I doubt it would be as level headed as the UConn fans have posted.
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Are you serious with this question? They still post about Maya Moore's mother Kathryn as if she were a criminal.
 
TheFarmFan said:
With respect, your profile suggests that you are first and foremost an in-conference rival. I can see why TN has been in your sights for the past few years. For UConn, the rivals have, to varrying degrees, been the Domers first and foremost, Louisville, Stanford, Mississippi State, Baylor, and Oregon. TN has done nothing of national relevance in recent years and hasn't beaten UConn since most college players were in grade school. All the aforementioned but Oregon have beaten UConn since, and Oregon is stealing hype and headlines from the Huskies, if not yet (or ever) titles.

Even I as a Cardinal fan who's seen our team have some solid battles with the Lady Vols in recent years don't really care. She did something wrong, some amount of shame and punishment is warranted, and I think anyone with a sense of decency hopes she learns her lesson and moves on.
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Guess I am just not making myself clear. 1. I am not a Tennessee fan, as a team they are one of the I DO NOT Like, 2. I did not mean to say I cared if the UT women basketball team lost every game, I don’t. 3. I did not mean to suggest shoplifting should be condoned, what I was trying to convey was the young lady needed to understand her behavior was wrong and she needed to do something to atone for her behavior, 4. Simply suspending a player from a sport would not atone for her action and holding her up ridicule was not IMO going to help her behavior. I am a WBB fan and I recognize what Geno and UConn have done for WBB, I am a UConn fan!
 
clbabson said:
Oh good lord. Speeding is also a crime, but 95% of people do it. Ever crossed the street without a crosswalk? I'm not saying what she did was right, but the dramatics of how some of you are responding to this is ridiculous and I'm sure driven, intentionally or not, because she goes to TN.
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Good lord is right. You're comparing speeding or jaywalking with stealing? Knowingly going somewhere and stealing something is pretty bad. Doesn't really have anything to do with TN.

For the most part speeding or jaywalking isn't really hurting anyone else (unless you cause an accident or something like that), but stealing is intentionally going out of your way to knowingly hurt someone/some business.

Big difference.
 
clbabson said:
Oh good lord. Speeding is also a crime, but 95% of people do it. Ever crossed the street without a crosswalk? I'm not saying what she did was right, but the dramatics of how some of you are responding to this is ridiculous and I'm sure driven, intentionally or not, because she goes to TN.
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Actually, this isn't true. In most jurisdictions, speeding is considered a civil infraction, not a criminal offense.

www.legaldefinitions.co

Is Speeding a Crime? - Legal Definitions

Is speeding a crime? Ultimately, it depends on the laws of the state you are pulled over in. But in some cases, it is possible a ticket can lead to jail.
www.legaldefinitions.co www.legaldefinitions.co
 
TheFarmFan said:
Well in their defense, they'd be going apoplectic vis-a-vis the team that stole their thunder, has taken 6 titles since their last one, and has passed by UT on the way to the summit of women's college basketball...

...whereas Huskies fans are commenting on a player on a team on a multi-game losing streak to Alabama and whose fans will be ecstatic if they can win more than one game in the Tournament.

Of course they'd be outraged. And of course we mostly don't really care... :D
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I was going to say you're projecting, but I see you're being sarcastic. It doens't work that way when it comes to rivals. It's more personal than you think. Auburn football fans don't defer to Alabama football because of Alabama national championships, UNC men's basketball fans when it comes to Coach K, Michigan football fans and Ohio St. etc. On the flip side, I have seen Clemson football fans get riled up about the chickens as they call their rivals, Duke fans ranting about UNC coach Roy Williams, etc.
 
Plebe said:
I'm willing to give Horston the benefit of the doubt. She probably just took it too literally when her coach urged her to go for more steals. A totally innocent misunderstanding.
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An interesting nerdy-legal sidepoint on shoplifting: It's one of a number of offenses that under U.S. immigration law, as well as in some state jurisdictions, are deemed "crimes of moral turpitude." Sounds like a phrase you'd read in The Scarlet Letter but it's a thing:

www.nolo.com

What’s a Crime of Moral Turpitude According to U.S. Immigration Law?

Learn what a crime of moral turpitude is, types of crimes that courts have determined to be CIMTs, and what it could mean for your visa or green card.
www.nolo.com www.nolo.com
 
Knoxville said:
It’s not wheather I like it or not. How can something be expunged when it’s embedded in the internet?
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Maybe you should learn what expunged means. It does not mean a gag order on the media. It simply means removal from one's criminal record, i.e., it would no longer be seen in a criminal background check.
 
Knoxville said:
It’s a shame this is posted here. It will be expunged after one year but with disrespectful people putting it on the internet. Hope it makes you feel better.
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So you think shoplifting is not a crime and should not be posted or discussed on the internet.
I am shocked that you did not blame the shoplifter but blame the people posted it.
Do Vol fans all have this moral standard?
 
Plebe said:
Maybe you should learn what expunged means. It does not mean a gag order on the media. It simply means removal from one's criminal record, i.e., it would no longer be seen in a criminal background check.
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I know exactly what expunged means. If someone behaves theirselves for an allotted amount of time it will be removed from their record. Which is useless if it’s already all over the internet forever
 
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Knoxville said:
I know exactly what expunged means. If someone behaves theirselves for an allotted amount of time it will be removed from their record. Which is useless if it’s already all over the internet forever
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Too bad so sad. Maybe she should've thought of those consequences before she knowingly, as an 18-year-old adult, committed theft.

And why are you venting at the Boneyard about this? Maybe you should direct your righteous anger at, say, the Knoxville News Sentinel or ESPN, which surely have greater reach than our humble forum.
 
meyers7 said:
Good lord is right. You're comparing speeding or jaywalking with stealing? Knowingly going somewhere and stealing something is pretty bad. Doesn't really have anything to do with TN.

For the most part speeding or jaywalking isn't really hurting anyone else (unless you cause an accident or something like that), but stealing is intentionally going out of your way to knowingly hurt someone/some business.

Big difference.
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True - although someone was speeding on one of Tucson's streets last week, hit an SUV with a family in it and killed all or most of them. Going, I think, like 90 on a city street.

What I'm trying to find out, and since I respect your opinions I'll ask you -

- What should her sentence have been? Clearly from the comments, the community service and probation is deemed too light

- What should her school punishment have been? Here I agree it was a bit light, but I'm getting the feeling that most would think my opinion (a couple of game suspension - regular season) is too light?

It is fine for everyone to pile on like any of us think it was ok. Some of us, myself included, just don't think it was the worst thing possible for a one time incident. If she doesn't get that she was wrong, she is headed to a very bad life. But we don't know that at this point.
 
KnightBridgeAZ said:
True - although someone was speeding on one of Tucson's streets last week, hit an SUV with a family in it and killed all or most of them. Going, I think, like 90 on a city street.

What I'm trying to find out, and since I respect your opinions I'll ask you -

- What should her sentence have been? Clearly from the comments, the community service and probation is deemed too light

- What should her school punishment have been? Here I agree it was a bit light, but I'm getting the feeling that most would think my opinion (a couple of game suspension - regular season) is too light?

It is fine for everyone to pile on like any of us think it was ok. Some of us, myself included, just don't think it was the worst thing possible for a one time incident. If she doesn't get that she was wrong, she is headed to a very bad life. But we don't know that at this point.
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I don't think this episode would have blown up as much if not for the constant insinuations from Knoxville about the dirty UConn Huskies program. Call UConn dirty all you want, but at least our players aren't criminals stealing things in broad daylight. Call Geno all the names you want, but he's not the coach looking the other way on criminal behavior just for the sake of winning a few extra ball games. Geno benches players for not putting in enough effort. Tennessee won't even bench players for being felons.
 
j66kicker said:
I can’t remember - did Barbara Turner get suspended for stealing that male UConn player’s laptop?
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Yea, your memory seems to be failing you. It was men's players who stole laptops. And they were suspended for a semester. (a bit more than an European tour exhibition game)

BT got into an altercation at a party. Along with a couple other women's players. They were disciplined in-house by Geno.
 
meyers7 said:
Yea, your memory seems to be failing you. It was men's players who stole laptops. And they were suspended for a semester. (a bit more than an European tour exhibition game)

BT got into an altercation at a party. Along with a couple other women's players. They were disciplined in-house by Geno.
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Thanks for straightening out my history lesson. You’ve been the BY historian today, but suspect you got this one on your own - no help from Google. ?
 
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triaddukefan said:
It was popular for the whole decade of the 1990s.... i started the trend around 1991 ;). . then as others followed me en masse... i graduated to Ralph Lauren
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Is Nautica still in fashion...or how about Izod? :eek:
 
j66kicker said:
Thanks for straightening out my history lesson. You’ve been the BY historian today, but suspect you got this one on your own - no help from Google. ?
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Google is your friend.
 
DefenseBB said:
www.espn.com

Tennessee's Jordan Horston reaches deal for shoplifting

Tennessee guard Jordan Horston has agreed to pay $398.50 in court costs and perform 20 hours of community service after she was cited on a misdemeanor shoplifting charge.
www.espn.com www.espn.com

To me, this is very disappointing to see. Youth invites poor decisions which this could and should fall under. That said, she needs to issue a statement on how stupid and immature it was to acknowledge she has taken accountability and grown from this. Otherwise, this just highlights the lack of vetting about “character” that had gone on at Tenn. So all you Tenn fans-what say you?
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In the "Minority" decision: If she had knifed someone I'd be upset. I don't know her background or where she came from, all petty crimes are not a stepping stone to a criminal life.
She took responsibility, that's a huge step, she paid near 400 buck (thats a lot of money) for court costs. A lesson was given (learned????). For this one I give her a pass. Next time, hit her with a hammer.
 
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