Worst refs ever?

[BoatShow]

I was watching the whole Niels play unfold and when it ended with Niels making contact with the dude's head I was like "well, that's all that matters when they review this play in 3 minutes."

 

[tentoes4rings]

I learned something new tonight: You can get from a step inside the three point line to the basket without dribbling and it's not a travel.

There was even one play where Omar took about 4 steps including A hop step and it was never called. Unfortunately he blew the bunny layup due to his laughter after not getting caught.

 

[upstater]

Shabazz got called for a travel that wasn't, on the fake pass put the ball on your hip.

 

[Mike Honcho]

I don't know about worst refs ever but they were maddeningly inconsistent with their calls and it led to pretty choppy play. I'm also unsure how they could call a flagrant 1 on Giffey after watching that tape -- looked purely inadvertent to me.

And it's kind of unreal how they play favorites -- Olander is frequently on the wrong side of a lot of calls. His third foul was phantom, and he got absolutely hammered on a dunk with no whistle.

 

[upstater]

I don't know about worst refs ever but they were maddeningly inconsistent with their calls and it led to pretty choppy play. I'm also unsure how they could call a flagrant 1 on Giffey after watching that tape -- looked purely inadvertent to me.

And it's kind of unreal how they play favorites -- Olander is frequently on the wrong side of a lot of calls. His third foul was phantom, and he got absolutely hammered on a dunk with no whistle.

My biggest issues were RJ Evans and Ryan Boatright getting hacked and bodied hard on layups. Lubick pounded them and sent them sprawling. No calls.

 

[methodology]

I think it was an evenly called game. Yes they did miss the travel that led to the held ball and when the Giffey thing happened, before they even reviewed it, I turned to my brother and said hes about to get a flagrant called on him because he swung his hand and got him in the face. Unfortunately thats the rules in place and and emphasis this year in college basketball (anything above the shoulders).

The downfall all started at the 2:00 mark when Bazz instead of slowing it down and running clock decided to try making an unnecessary pass. From that point on things went south and the offense looked out of sync. Mostly because Bazz was limited in what he could do since he was favoring his foot the whole time. He has tons of heart and played through it but he was clearly bothered by it the rest of the game from the time he went down early on.

You have to give credit to Gtown and Otto.

Its was a real tough loss that came down to late game execution which they failed at while Gtown did execute.

 

[temery]

I seriously can't remember the last time I've seen us get screwed like this, it's tough to watch.

I really have no idea. But I am fairly certain, had we won, the first post on HoyaSaxa would have been, "worst refs ever?"

It's probably the most common post on a site after a loss.

 

[mauconnfan]

Both ways they were tough but aren't they always......?

I will say this, how can they keep going to the tape to make calls on what they missed? And how do they disregard the fact the guy had his arm around Giff's neck prior to the shot by Giffey? That call was to put it mildly pitiful!

 

[seanmc94]

It was so weird. Like they literally stopped the game while GTown was bringing the ball up after we hit one to review, then they had a TO right after it happened and didn't take a look. I did see a ref look at the replay official and the replay official held up his hands to say "this much" like a football ref after checking the chains. Was probably about that play.

Maybe it was payback for not reviewing Cottons 3 a few weeks ago

 

[willie99]

My biggest issues were RJ Evans and Ryan Boatright getting hacked and bodied hard on layups. Lubick pounded them and sent them sprawling. No calls.

banging our guards has become acceptable, they just don't get the calls in the paint

first noticed that in the Louisville game, hasn't changed since

 

[Edward Sargent]

The Giffey flagrant 1 was annoying. Why is it that the cameras had the entire play followed in real time and not one ref saw it in real time? As the announcers said it wasn't until JTIII yelled flagrant foul that the refs chose to stop play and review. What I saw was Giffey's arm grabbed and held and in trying to get unheld smacked the guys nose. That was a tough loss.

 

[dsturdy5]

It isn't right but the only part that is reviewable is the contact to the head of a player. Anything else that happens before that, apparently including wrapping your arm around another player's neck, is not reviewable.

It's like reviewing a catch in the NFL. They cannot go back and say, "It was incomplete BUT there was pass interference on the play."

I don't agree with it but it is the rule.

 

[Edward Sargent]

I hear you but still? What if instead of the back of the hand hitting the nose rather a finger jabs the eye. Still flagrant 1?

 

[dsturdy5]

I hear you but still? What if instead of the back of the hand hitting the nose rather a finger jabs the eye. Still flagrant 1?

Like all rules, there is area for interpretation.

The NCAA defines a flagrant 1 as "non-excessive contact with an opponent above the shoulders" according to the NCAA press release from May 2011.

 

[upstater]

It isn't right but the only part that is reviewable is the contact to the head of a player. Anything else that happens before that, apparently including wrapping your arm around another player's neck, is not reviewable.

It's like reviewing a catch in the NFL. They cannot go back and say, "It was incomplete BUT there was pass interference on the play."

I don't agree with it but it is the rule.

This can't be correct. If I'm slamming you and cause your arm to hit me in the face, that's not your fault. I'm not saying they should have called a foul on Giffey, but he was being held and simply tried to get away. It's not about intent. It's about having control of his limbs. He didn't have control of them since the other player was holding him down.

 

[Jimdish255]

I wish being put in a headlock wasn't considered a flagrant foul.

When they watched it on the 10 in monitor it clearly showed Giffey trying to headbut the Georgetown player's armpit and then connecting with a 3-punch combination.

 

[Jimdish255]

This can't be correct. If I'm slamming you and cause your arm to hit me in the face, that's not your fault. I'm not saying they should have called a foul on Giffey, but he was being held and simply tried to get away. It's not about intent. It's about having control of his limbs. He didn't have control of them since the other player was holding him down.

Did they originally even call a foul?

 

[Rico444]

on the next to last possession in the 2nd OT, was Omar mugged?

it looked like he was hit in the body by one guy and another took his arms off the ball, play on

but sometimes replays make the refs look a lot better

Had a pretty good view, he got hit but it looked like he tried to drive right through the defender, he really had nowhere to go. So I don't mind a no call because if anything, he kind of tried to squeeze in-between two guys when there was no room.

 

[upstater]

Did they originally even call a foul?

No, no foul

 

[UChusky916]

I just watched the 2nd half and the OTs again...

What stuck out the most to me about the officiating was the amount of hand-checking Georgetown got away with on our guards in the end of the game.

My biggest issues with the officials:

-The possession we got the ball back in 2OT with 4 on the shot clock... Calhoun gets KILLED underneath going up for a shot. Ball flies in the air away from the rim and the shot clock goes off, officals call shot-clock violation. It was a clear foul and Omar should have been going to the line.

-Otto Porter, while a gifted player, clearly walked on that last game-winning drive to the hoop. I played it in slow-mo on my DVR, clear travel. But he made the move so fluidly that it wasn't called (much like how players get away with it in the NBA).


Tough game to lose, still proud of the kids.

 

[ctchamps]

Not the worst refs ever, but they were far and away not the best either.

 

[PomonaHusky]

My biggest issues were RJ Evans and Ryan Boatright getting hacked and bodied hard on layups. Lubick pounded them and sent them sprawling. No calls.

Agreed, Lubick should have fouled out by half time. I think it might have been Lubick that caused the Napier "travel" by moving into him.

 

[upstater]

Agreed, Lubick should have fouled out by half time. I think it might have been Lubick that caused the Napier "travel" by moving into him.

Yes, that was Lubick, but the ref blew the whistle before Lubick ran into him. He saw Napier carry the ball.

The problem is, you CAN carry the ball when you have yet to put your pivot foot down. Bazz picked up his dribble there. And that's why they call it, "picking up your dribble."

But the ref seemed to think picking up your dribble is against the rules. The ref was unaware that taking too many steps is against the rules, but picking up your dribble is not against the rules.

 

[PomonaHusky]

Yes, that was Lubick, but the ref blew the whistle before Lubick ran into him. He saw Napier carry the ball.

The problem is, you CAN carry the ball when you have yet to put your pivot foot down. Bazz picked up his dribble there. And that's why they call it, "picking up your dribble."

But the ref seemed to think picking up your dribble is against the rules. The ref was unaware that taking too many steps is against the rules, but picking up your dribble is not against the rules.

Thanks. Was watching at work with volume low. I couldn't tell when the whistle blew, so I thought they called the step after the initial contact. But still a bad call.

 

[willie99]

I just watched the 2nd half and the OTs again...

What stuck out the most to me about the officiating was the amount of hand-checking Georgetown got away with on our guards in the end of the game.

My biggest issues with the officials:

-The possession we got the ball back in 2OT with 4 on the shot clock... Calhoun gets KILLED underneath going up for a shot. Ball flies in the air away from the rim and the shot clock goes off, officals call shot-clock violation. It was a clear foul and Omar should have been going to the line.

-Otto Porter, while a gifted player, clearly walked on that last game-winning drive to the hoop. I played it in slow-mo on my DVR, clear travel. But he made the move so fluidly that it wasn't called (much like how players get away with it in the NBA).


Tough game to lose, still proud of the kids.

this is what I thought from my view in Section 114

 

[upstater]

this is what I thought from my view in Section 114

I thought Omar made a bad decision there since he's usually money on a floater from the baseline, and he had that shot.

 

[Santini35]

How about the foul on Daniels when Lubick went over his back for a rebound, and they both grabbed it at about the same time, but Lubick brought it down and across Daniels' back sort of making Daniels spin, and then calling a foul on Daniels

 

[phillionaire]

There was pass out to the wing where the gtown player clearly got away with a hook and the dude nailed the three. It was in the second half I think.

 

[methodology]

I think this is mostly selective memory. Most are going to remember the calls that went against UConn but many wont recall plays that went in UConn's favor.

For instance there was a play about 1 min left in regulation that Otto went to the hoop and 3 UConn players converged and Otto hit the deck after getting blocked/fouled... if that was Daniels and that happened every UConn fan would be saying that was a foul and the refs blew the call.

I know plenty of Gtown fans who are saying UConn got home court preference from the refs.

Its kind of like if you play poker. You will remember the bad beats when you lost but most wont recall hands that built up your bankroll.

 

[Jimdish255]

Had a pretty good view, he got hit but it looked like he tried to drive right through the defender, he really had nowhere to go. So I don't mind a no call because if anything, he kind of tried to squeeze in-between two guys when there was no room.

I slowed that one down and it looked like the defender he was facing jumped in to create a sandwich. Seemd pretty clear on the slowed down replay angle. Don't know how the official could have missed it. Any other time in the game that gets called.