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He got up and threw again in the 8th so I don't think that's it. Just horrible bullpen management
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Natssssssssss!!!!! I always knew Bryce Harper would lead the Nats to a World Series title one day!!
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The Nats we’re in a beyond unique position to be able to lose a player like Harper and make it work.
and they used that money to shore up the rotation with Corbin and Sanchez.
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AJ Finch with some of the worst moves you will ever see in a big spot by a manger. Anyone other than Greinke-Cole up 2-0 was malpractice yet neither pitched to the key batters in the 7th-8th-9th.
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What an incredible team, run for the ages. Scherzer is the toughest dude in baseball, Rendon is like a buddhist monk out there, Stras has been through a lot and showed he's on on his way to the Hall....a lot of great stories. 19-31, 5 elimination games where they were down all 5 games, win everu World Series game on the road...just remarkable.
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i get not wanting to bring in Cole mid inning.
Seemed like they didn’t want to just burn osuna for 2 outs either.
got stuck in the middle...
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Yeah losing him is not nearly as big a loss when you have Soto and Robles waiting in the wings.
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Hinch is a hell of a manager, was put in a tough spot in the back end of this game. Couldn't score anyways so doesn't matter much, don't agree with pulling Greinke there though unless Osuna or Cole is coming in.
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before everyone piles on Hinch.
Espn article says Howie Kendrick was 1 for 28 against cutters this year. No homer’s.
Will Harris made the perfect pitch. Sometimes players just make great plays.
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Hinch wasn't going to use Cole until 8th or 9th anyways and it had to be with a lead and with him starting a clean inning.
Unfortunately, by the time it got to that point of the game, it was too late.
I can't blame Hinch too much for using Harris and Osuna. Those two have been his best pen options. I'd criticize him for taking out Grienke at 80 pitches, if anything. He gave up a solo HR to a guy who will be in top 3 NL MVP votes. Not that big a deal. The walk was pitching carefully to Soto, or so it seemed to me. He didn't look gassed, but I don't know what his third time thru lineup numbers look like, so hard to even criticize that.
Regardless, you have to score more than 2 runs. Especially when you pretty much know what Corbin is going to throw.
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yeah and they racked Corbin in game 4.
sometimes the other team just has a better day.
the Kendrick hr was a great pitch and eatons single wasn’t even a strike
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This. The way Hinch managed the 7th was perfectly rational. Sometimes good decisions don't work. Leaving Greinke in to start was rational. Pulling him when he did, given how quickly Greinke has lost it when his stuff goes the last few months made total sense. Not putting Cole in in a middle of an inning made total sense. Obviously, it didn't work.
If you want to beat up on Hinch, you can ask if Cole should have started the 8th, down 3-2. But nothing Hinch did in the 7th didn't make sense.
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Soto is already a better player than Harper. So is Springer for that matter.
Harper is a nice player, but that one 9+ WAR season that everyone dreams on shouldn't be overshadowed by all the 3-4 WAR seasons that surround it. He's barely a top 10 OF at this point.
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your last paragraph gets back to burning your best reliever for 2 outs.
the real question is why pull Harris so quickly unless he was always going to face just one batter (Kendrick because he sucked against cutters).
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he was like 4.5 war this year. He’s worth the contract, but he’s not what everyone thought he’s be. Which was just never a fair start.
this isn’t a Ewing theory moment though. This was quite simply better asset allocation when you have two pre arb outfielders who are both really really good already there.
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Man, how does Harper feel today? There's got to be a little what if going on in his head. You were the team star, leave in FA, and team is better off without you as they win the whole thing. It's got to sting for him.
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They weren’t winning it with him though.
They sign Harper and no corbin.
Best case scenario if they kept Harper was signing lance lynn and anibal. Is that enough?
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His OF defense was becoming close to unplayable in DC. I'll agree that Rizzo must've realized he had better options for spending that $$ for a guy who, in his final year in DC looked headed to 1b. To Harper's credit, he seems to have bounced back in the smaller confines of Philly for his first positive dWAR since his rookie season.
Still, point remains that just a few years ago the argument in MLB was who was better, Trout or Harper. That's has since become a clown question, bro.
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Not sure I've ever been happier for a non-UConn player winning it all then I was for Max Scherzer last night. Nobody gives more in sports than him, he friggin' leaves it all out there on every pitch. Watching him cry last night reminds me of why I still love sports so much.
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But none of that really affects the Nats. Harper vs trout is irrelevant to how they build out their roster.
Keeping Harper would’ve meant benching Eaton or robles, or playing Harper at first.
I think this was the best result for everyone. But Phillys own poor roster management/asset allocation hurt Harper.