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Again, how is Stokes gonna get any minutes? Unless this means they are giving up on Park, there's no spot in the rotation. Between Wilson, Cambage and Hamby, that's a lot of front court minutes already used up. She ain't taking PT from any of those 3.
 

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Seattle in a battle w/ Atlanta. If Stewie is 2-9 from the floor and Loyd doesn't even have a shot attempt yet midway thru Q3, that cannot be good. Storm have lost 2 straight. They've definitely lost some momentum from earlier in the season. Probably the biggest reason is that Loyd isn't playing like an MVP candidate the way she was at the beginning of the season.
 

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Different game, but Dallas finally seems to have a coach that holds players (one in particular) accountable. Still too much hero ball (imo) on the part of some of this board's least favorite players, even when successful, but the team seems to be heading in the right direction. (And a terrific line for S. Sabally tonight with a lot of nice comments from the announcers as well: 12 pts., 9 rebounds, 6 assists, 3 blocks and +21 for the game.)
 

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Seattle survives 91-88 despite Stewie and Loyd combining for only 19. Was Jewell playing possum? Went 3-4 from the floor down the stretch, her only 4 FGA of the game. Stewie didn't score for most of the 2nd half it looks like. Bird was bombing away from 3 but missed everything else. Bench combined for 39 points, 2 in double figures.
 

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Aces w/ a lackluster 66-58 win over the Sparks. Wilson w/ a double double and scored 20, but only 5-14 shooting. She's had some subpar performances lately. The dynamic duo off the bench didn't do much this game. Gray was the only player who shot 50% or better from the floor (7-13).
 
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Aces w/ a lackluster 66-58 win over the Sparks. Wilson w/ a double double and scored 20, but only 5-14 shooting. She's had some subpar performances lately. The dynamic duo off the bench didn't do much this game. Gray was the only player who shot 50% or better from the floor (7-13).

Wilson just won western conference player of the month and has her team in first place in the standings. I agree it wasn’t her best game but she been playing far from subpar and has had an impact in much more areas this year.
 

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Wilson just won western conference player of the month and has her team in first place in the standings. I agree it wasn’t her best game but she been playing far from subpar and has had an impact in much more areas this year.
She's scoring, but it's taking her a lot of shots in some games. Not highly efficient. And Vegas is loaded w/ talent, it's not like she's winning games by herself.

Last 4 games 5-14, 6-14, 7-24, 9-24. That ain't good in my book. She had some better shooting games before that, but started June w/ a 3-14 clunker. She is racking up the rebounds, I'll give her that.
 

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I guess this officially means she wasn’t put out to pasture, like many around here suspected. :rolleyes:


The Athletic article I read (and posted) earlier in the week listed some specifc reasons why the Liberty were moving on...one of them being that Hopkins likes to utlize the pick and roll and Kiah wasn't apparently adapting to it well enough for his liking. With that in mind, heres's a cut and paste:

"A league source tells The Next that Stokes is being looked at by other WNBA teams that don’t run as many pick-and-roll coverages as a backup post. Her traditional isolation style defense has value. A possible suitor could be the Las Vegas Aces.

"According to Synergy Sports, Las Vegas runs pick-and-roll through the roller a tad over four percent of the time, which is 11th in the league. Stokes played under Bill Laimbeer for the first three years of her career."

Laimbeer, as noted, has experience with Kiah and gosh knows the isolation style defense. It's virtually a mantra. So, sometimes the Apples gotta find the apples. Good luck in the desert!
 

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Different game, but Dallas finally seems to have a coach that holds players (one in particular) accountable. Still too much hero ball (imo) on the part of some of this board's least favorite players, even when successful, but the team seems to be heading in the right direction. (And a terrific line for S. Sabally tonight with a lot of nice comments from the announcers as well: 12 pts., 9 rebounds, 6 assists, 3 blocks and +21 for the game.)

Sabally actually started at center in this game (no minutes for Collier, barely any for Alarie), but was joined by Izzy Harrison for the majority of the game to help battle Chicago's height. And Thornton always will play a bruising style of ball. I think Sabally's ability to take bigs off the dribble while facing the basket is one of her key attributes. Too much "burst!" She had a fine all-round game.

BTW, the Wings shot 11-20 from three (55%): Allisha Gray was 2-3, Thornton 2-3 and Marina Mabrey 5-6. All three were also in double figure "+" figures. Mabrey led the Wings with 28 last night. With Ogunbowale, Gray, Sabally and Mabrey, there are numerous options.

As per Vickie Johnson's demand for accountability, it's not just Arike (your veiled reference isn't that hard to figure out ;) ). She took Gray out of the lineup after her return from the 3x3 because she felt Allisha was still going one one one too much - residual effect of 3x3 play. Message received: Gray's back in and was great last night on very efficient scoring.

My only concern with Johnson is the constant line-up shuffling and "going by the gut" on minutes. While I admire her wanting her players to play hard 5-8 minutes shifts, players minutes can very wildly from game to game. Witness MoJeff playing all of 2+ minutes...after starting. If the players are on board, cool, but most like some sort of regular deployment of roles/minutes.

Still, she's got 'em at .500 and they're fun to watch.
 
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Where did they get these refs doing the Chicago - Dallas games? Are they Notre Dame illumi.? Some of the calls Mabrey is getting are unreal.
They were the regular Wings announcers, Raegan Pebley (played as Raegan Scott, current coach at TCU) and Ron Thulin. They're not Domers, but they're hopeless homers.
 
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She's scoring, but it's taking her a lot of shots in some games. Not highly efficient. And Vegas is loaded w/ talent, it's not like she's winning games by herself.

Last 4 games 5-14, 6-14, 7-24, 9-24. That ain't good in my book. She had some better shooting games before that, but started June w/ a 3-14 clunker. She is racking up the rebounds, I'll give her that.

Lol she’s literally taking the same amount of shots as other MVP candidates. And it’s taking them a lot of shots to get points as well. And yes while her shooting stats wasn’t the best you should know that Vegas won 3 of those 4 games and wouldn’t have won without her, no matter how loaded they are. Even that 3-14 “clunker” she shot early in the month would’ve been a loss without Wilson’s impact. That’s what an MVP does… affect other areas of the game that ensures their team the victory. Her shooting numbers are no more terrible than Stewie or Charles actually. You also didn’t mention the fact that she’s the best free throw shooting big in the league by a landslide and near impossible to stop from getting there.
 
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Seattle in a battle w/ Atlanta. If Stewie is 2-9 from the floor and Loyd doesn't even have a shot attempt yet midway thru Q3, that cannot be good. Storm have lost 2 straight. They've definitely lost some momentum from earlier in the season. Probably the biggest reason is that Loyd isn't playing like an MVP candidate the way she was at the beginning of the season.
It's becoming more obvious that Seattle made a mistake in hiring Quinn. I like how Mercedes Russell has progressed, but she is limited offensively. She would be better coming off the bench. Ezi has the ability to shoot from deep, and help spread the floor. Right now at the end of games Seattle struggles, no room for Stewie or Loyd to drive.
Three of the 4 games they lost they had leads, and went the final minutes without scoring. Last night the same thing happened, but time ran out.
 
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Wasn’t Laimbeer the coach for the Liberty when Stokes was drafted? Obviously he see something in her. Maybe it’s for defensive stops in the post.
 

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They were the regular Wings announcers, Raegan Pebley (played as Raegan Scott, current coach at TCU) and Ron Thulin. They're not Domers, but they're hopeless homers.
Thulin is very good at misidentifying players. He did it last night and many times last season.
 

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Aces w/ a lackluster 66-58 win over the Sparks. Wilson w/ a double double and scored 20, but only 5-14 shooting. She's had some subpar performances lately. The dynamic duo off the bench didn't do much this game. Gray was the only player who shot 50% or better from the floor (7-13).
The Sparks point guard dribbles too much and tries to do too much by herself. At times she plays too much one on one to the detriment of the team, even when she is the top scorer in the game.
 
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It was not just Wilsons shooting precentage that dropped recently but also her defense. Her shooting aside, she did look better this last gamea gainst the Sparks. She just seemed very lathargic in the last few weeks. That happens to players every now and them. I actually though for a few games she was the weakest player on the floor for the Aces.. Its not just about how much a player scores although that was also a factor. Players games run in cycles and she was just in a down one. Chelsea seems ot be coming out of hers.
 

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And yes while her shooting stats wasn’t the best you should know that Vegas won 3 of those 4 games and wouldn’t have won without her, no matter how loaded they are.
Well, they absolutely don't win the OT game against the Storm w/out Gray, and I'm fairly certain you could say the same about several other players in other games. Again, Wilson isn't winning these game by herself.
 

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It's becoming more obvious that Seattle made a mistake in hiring Quinn.
I thought originally, and still do, it was mostly a PR move and had nothing to do w/ hiring a qualified coach. She simply didn't have enough prior experience to justify promoting her like they did.
 

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IND 43 CN 38 with 4+ left in Q3


Ashley Battle commentating on the Wash / NY game

Good Luck as Liberty fighting back from 18 down to make it a game. 66-63 Wash with 8+ in Q4
 
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Well, they absolutely don't win the OT game against the Storm w/out Gray, and I'm fairly certain you could say the same about several other players in other games. Again, Wilson isn't winning these game by herself.
Of course she isn’t but my point was if you take her off the team in entirety the Aces won’t be as good as they are right now.
 
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