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Geew1992 said:
Sydney Colson signed with the Sky
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How many PGs do they need? Colson had some good moments as the backup for LV last season. Does this tell us something about Sloot or Gabby Williams?
 
nwhoopfan said:
How many PGs do they need? Colson had some good moments as the backup for LV last season. Does this tell us something about Sloot or Gabby Williams?
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Faulkner isn’t playing season, and Gabby is more of an emergency backup PG.
 
Shades said:
Faulkner isn’t playing season, and Gabby is more of an emergency backup PG.
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They must've had a lot of emergencies last year, because she appeared to be the primary backup as far as I could tell.
 
stwainfan said:
Diamond was on First Take.
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Great clip! So Diamond thinks she is the best guard in the WNBA. And she thinks part of the reason the WNBA doesn't get more support from women is that women tend to resent other women who are successful. And Stephen A. doesn't think men should be coaching in the WNBA. Hmmm...
 
j66kicker said:
Great clip! So Diamond thinks she is the best guard in the WNBA. And she thinks part of the reason the WNBA doesn't get more support from women is that women tend to resent other women who are successful. And Stephen A. doesn't think men should be coaching in the WNBA. Hmmm...
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Thanks for the preview so I can bypass this gem. :rolleyes:
 
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Listening to it more than once it seemed that she quantified her statement by defining her "being the best" in the area of speed and athleticism. I had every intention of tearing into her statement so I listened to it again to be sure. Now I believe that she still believes that those areas are probably paramount in importance as evidenced by the problems she had with respect to her development in college. There are many guards in the WNBA who do things she can't do either, but in her actual statement, she did not exclude those aspect entirely. By those areas I mean BBIQ, floor vision, passing as well as variable intangibles. Sometimes people tend to focus importance on the things they do well. Or perhaps they also do those things well because that is their primary focus.
 
stwainfan said:
Diamond was on First Take.
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Diamond sound as if she was nervous, guess this was her first time on the program. I didn't recognize her without a headband and protective glasses / goggles.
As for men coaching in the WNBA, some players have said they prefer a male coach.
 
nwhoopfan said:
They must've had a lot of emergencies last year, because she appeared to be the primary backup as far as I could tell.
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I can't remember perfectly, but I think Faulkner may have been slower coming back from injury than they had hoped. Also, the Chloe Jackson draft pick didn't pan out.

So I think Gabby probably played a lot more point guard than they had expected.

It's nice knowing that Gabby can fill in with minutes at PG if someone is out with an injury, but I definitely feel more comfortable having a 2nd true PG behind Sloot.
 
j66kicker said:
Great clip! So Diamond thinks she is the best guard in the WNBA.
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It's not really that outlandish. She was 2nd team All-WNBA last year. The only guards that got more votes were Sloot and Chelsea Gray, who are PGs and play completely different roles.

She may have been guilty of slight hyperbole but she *is* just about the best in the league at what she does.
 
eebmg said:
I just don't understand the idolization of Skyler. Yes she can score but she is not an efficient scorer (last year < 30% from 3 pt for example)

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She does have good assist numbers but she can be hot and cold and when she is not shooting well, her body language is very pouty. A remnant of her ND days against UConn I guess. Very different from McBride.
I have to think part of her value is the name recognition factor.
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She does get to the line quite a bit and is a good free throw shooter, which compensates for her mediocre field goal percentage. Also, she has generally been the 1st scoring option on atrocious teams her entire WNBA career, which isn't good for her field goal percentage either.

She's had kind of a weird career - solid rookie year in 2013, excellent year two in 2014 (all-WNBA 1st team), was off to a great start in 2015 before tearing ACL, down year in 2016 in first season back from ACL tear, return to form in 2017 (all-WNBA 1st team again), and then was just slightly worse in 2018 but has a pretty good excuse in that she was pregnant.

When healthy, Skylar is generally one of the best offensive guards in the WNBA.
 
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eebmg said:
To bad Geno seemed not to know Karlie was on the team. His comments would have been very interesting.
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Yeah, he spoke of KLS, Azura, Moriah, Arike, and Diggins-Smith but nothing about Karlie.
 
Danielle Robinson, a three-time All-Star guard who played for the Lynx the past two seasons, has signed with the Las Vegas Aces as a free agent.

Robinson averaged 10.1 points, 3.7 assists and 3.5 rebounds over 34 games last season. For her career, the seven-year pro has averaged 9.4 points, 2.8 rebounds, 4.4 assists and 1.2 steals.

“Words can’t express how grateful I am to join the Aces organization,” Robinson said in a press release from the Las Vegas team. “There is an undeniable energy surrounding this group of talented young women. I feel incredibly blessed to have the opportunity to be a part of that and compete for a championship.”



Robinson played for the Aces when they were located in San Antonion before being traded to Phoenix in 2017 and the Lynx before the start of the 2018 season.
 
eebmg said:
Danielle Robinson, a three-time All-Star guard who played for the Lynx the past two seasons, has signed with the Las Vegas Aces as a free agent.

Robinson averaged 10.1 points, 3.7 assists and 3.5 rebounds over 34 games last season. For her career, the seven-year pro has averaged 9.4 points, 2.8 rebounds, 4.4 assists and 1.2 steals.

“Words can’t express how grateful I am to join the Aces organization,” Robinson said in a press release from the Las Vegas team. “There is an undeniable energy surrounding this group of talented young women. I feel incredibly blessed to have the opportunity to be a part of that and compete for a championship.”



Robinson played for the Aces when they were located in San Antonion before being traded to Phoenix in 2017 and the Lynx before the start of the 2018 season.
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Former Ace Sydney Colson signed with the Chicago Sky. That should open a slot for Danielle Robinson to exhibit her wares.
 
eebmg said:
Danielle Robinson, a three-time All-Star guard who played for the Lynx the past two seasons, has signed with the Las Vegas Aces as a free agent.

Robinson averaged 10.1 points, 3.7 assists and 3.5 rebounds over 34 games last season. For her career, the seven-year pro has averaged 9.4 points, 2.8 rebounds, 4.4 assists and 1.2 steals.

“Words can’t express how grateful I am to join the Aces organization,” Robinson said in a press release from the Las Vegas team. “There is an undeniable energy surrounding this group of talented young women. I feel incredibly blessed to have the opportunity to be a part of that and compete for a championship.”



Robinson played for the Aces when they were located in San Antonion before being traded to Phoenix in 2017 and the Lynx before the start of the 2018 season.
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OK, Will Laimbeer start Plum at the point? Or Young? Young or Plum? Ah, let's bring in Robinson, too, and Young or Plum can play off guard. Oh, that's where McBride is. Maybe Young can play wing. Oh, now there's Angel M. Hmmm, subtraction through addition? :rolleyes:

It will be very interesting to see what comes of these additions. Would not be surprised to see another trade pop up to clear some room on the bench.

Meanwhile, if I'm Lindsay Allen's agent/advisor, I see if she can get traded/let go so she can give Coach Reeve a call in Minnesota. Unlike the Aces, there's space in the backcourt there. Allen's had a great Aussie League and this would the time to capitalize on it.

Stay tuned.
 
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nwhoopfan said:
Indeed. Laimbeer did a lot of juggling starters/rotation last year, looks like more of the same will be happening this year. I'd have to shake my head if he elects to start Robinson over Plum.
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DRob by all accounts had a better season than Plum a year ago, although Plum was very good in playoffs. My guess is DRob comes off the bench and they put Plum back at PG where she looks most effective. Also allows Young to move off the ball where she likely is a lot more comfortable. I wouldn't be surprised either if Plum is the main guard off the bench who can provide instant offense and flexibility at the 1 or 2. Takes more off her plate and doesn't require consistent play. Having a backcourt of Young/Robinson though combined with Liz/A'ja up front provides very limited perimeter shooting, so my guess is Plum nabs a starting spot largely due to her shooting ability.
 
Has it been said if Cambage is coming back? I remember her talking a lot of junk at the end of the playoffs
 
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bballnut90 said:
DRob by all accounts had a better season than Plum a year ago, although Plum was very good in playoffs. My guess is DRob comes off the bench and they put Plum back at PG where she looks most effective. Also allows Young to move off the ball where she likely is a lot more comfortable. I wouldn't be surprised either if Plum is the main guard off the bench who can provide instant offense and flexibility at the 1 or 2. Takes more off her plate and doesn't require consistent play. Having a backcourt of Young/Robinson though combined with Liz/A'ja up front provides very limited perimeter shooting, so my guess is Plum nabs a starting spot largely due to her shooting ability.
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DRob had a marginally better regular season than Plum, then disappeared in their only playoff game. Between their run in the playoffs and her stint w/ the National Team, Plum still appears to have some upside. DRob is nearly a 10 year veteran who is not likely to improve at all at this point in her career. And she is an absolutely horrific 3 point shooter if that is a valued skill for a starting PG (12%, only 12 made 3's in 8 years).
 
nwhoopfan said:
DRob had a marginally better regular season than Plum, then disappeared in their only playoff game. Between their run in the playoffs and her stint w/ the National Team, Plum still appears to have some upside. DRob is nearly a 10 year veteran who is not likely to improve at all at this point in her career. And she is an absolutely horrific 3 point shooter if that is a valued skill for a starting PG (12%, only 12 made 3's in 8 years).
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It wasn't marginal, it was notably better than Plum:

KP: 8.6 ppg, 3 apg, 2.8 rpg, .365 FG, .357 3pt, .872 FT
DR: 10.1 ppg, 3.7 apg, 3.5 rpg, .437 FG, .220 3pt, .879 FT

Vegas isn't in improvement mode planning for the future, they're in championship mode. DRob has been a very steady veteran presence in the league for a decade now. Almost every year she's between 9-12 ppg, has a good A/TO and steadily shoots 43-46% from the field. Plum was incredibly inconsistent last year, it was all or nothing for her most nights. I agree she has upside and I think she gets a starting spot if she brings her playoff form into next year, but if she goes through ice cold streaks again I don't think Bill gives her a long leash and I'd look for DRob to supplant her. Also wouldn't be shocked if they start DRob/Plum and bring in Young off the bench. They have good options this year, especially if Angel is back and healthy again.
 
bballnut90 said:
It wasn't marginal, it was notably better than Plum:

KP: 8.6 ppg, 3 apg, 2.8 rpg, .365 FG, .357 3pt, .872 FT
DR: 10.1 ppg, 3.7 apg, 3.5 rpg, .437 FG, .220 3pt, .879 FT
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I'm not seeing it. That looks very marginal to me. DR better overall FG%, KP better 3 point shooting. Assists/reb/FT% is too close to bother w/ quibbling over. 1.5 ppg differential is not a big deal either. Definition of marginal to me.
 
nwhoopfan said:
I'm not seeing it. That looks very marginal to me. DR better overall FG%, KP better 3 point shooting. Assists/reb/FT% is too close to bother w/ quibbling over. 1.5 ppg differential is not a big deal either. Definition of marginal to me.
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DRob isn't a good 3pt shooter, she only took 41 on the year compared to Plum's 126 so I wouldn't call that a differentiator between the two compared to other more applicable stats. And every other stat favors DRob, marginal or not. All that said, it isn't just stats. If you watched last year, Plum by and large was an all or nothing player. 11/34 games she had 0 or 1 FG. 8 other teams she scored 14 or more points. She had five games where she went scoreless.

DRob was far steadier and you knew what you'd get with her on a nightly basis. Look at her game by game numbers. Much more consistent. She helped guide her team, with a lot less talent, to an 18-16 record. Vegas was everyone's preseason title pick entering last year and they finished just 3 games better. Plum struggled to find her footing and find her role on the team until the very end of the season.
 
I think Laimbeer made a BIG mistake last year making J. Young the PG and Plum a spot up shooter. She would have multiple possessions where she didn't even touch the ball. She's a PG, always has been. Taking the ball out of her hands made her ineffective. Laimbeer finally figured it out as soon as the playoffs started and Plum was excellent throughout their run.
 
nwhoopfan said:
I think Laimbeer made a BIG mistake last year making J. Young the PG and Plum a spot up shooter. She would have multiple possessions where she didn't even touch the ball. She's a PG, always has been. Taking lthe ball out of her hands made her ineffective. Laimbeer finally figured it out as soon as the playoffs started and Plum was excellent throughout their run.
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Agree with you. I think Plum is better when she has the ball (mostly) in her hands and can make decisions in regards to the overall offense and/or getting her shot (within the context).

Jackie Young is a superb (and strong) athlete who can do pretty much anything that a 1, 2 or 3 can do on a court (save consistent long-range shooting). However, I think she's best when being off-ball, particularly on the weakside, when she can make cuts to the basket and find holes in the defense to receive the ball and shoot a very underrated mid-range jumper. And she is a superb rebounder, both offensive and defensive.

The trouble is, Angel M. is pretty much the same kind of player.

So, does Bill "give up" on Jackie and trade her (for what else, I'm not really sure) or see if JY and Angel and make the 3 a point of no return for other teams?

As for long-range shooting, the Aces still have Plum and, of course, K-Mac who can go off at any given point.
 
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