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Wiggins Trashes WNBA Culture

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DaddyChoc said:
why did you lose interest... not sure I saw that in your post
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I guess it may have been due to a combination of factors. Our child got older. We had season tickets at that time to the same NBA franchise. We would get preferential offers for tickets throughout the season because of that. We dropped those probably four years after the WNBA began, so we quit going to any of the games. We used to occasionally watch a game on TV but the local franchise folded a few years later so there were no longer any games in our local market. I've watched maybe a handful of playoff games during the past several seasons.
 
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Plebe said:
When has the league ever issued any statement about how many of the players are gay? Somehow I missed that.
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I didn't indicate they published a list of names. They just chose to quit trying to hide the fact that the players are predominantly gay. I'd say it happened in the early to mid 2000's, IIRC. As I indicated, I think Sue Wicks was one of the first players to openly acknowledge she was gay, sometime around then.
 
UConnNick said:
I guess it may have been due to a combination of factors. Our child got older. We had season tickets at that time to the same NBA franchise. We would get preferential offers for tickets throughout the season because of that. We dropped those probably four years after the WNBA began, so we quit going to any of the games. We used to occasionally watch a game on TV but the local franchise folded a few years later so there were no longer any games in our local market. I've watched maybe a handful of playoff games during the past several seasons.
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even more reason to attend unless the child is a boy
 
UConnNick said:
I didn't indicate they published a list of names. They just chose to quit trying to hide the fact that the players are predominantly gay. I'd say it happened in the early to mid 2000's, IIRC. As I indicated, I think Sue Wicks was one of the first players to openly acknowledge she was gay, sometime around then.
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I must be missing something. You earlier said that the league acknowledged that most of the players are gay. I did not ask you when the league published their names. What I asked was when the league made a statement about the sexual orientation of a majority of the players, which was what you indicated had occurred. I don't remember the league ever issuing a statement as to whether the players are "predominantly" of one sexual orientation or another.

Are you saying that because the league has opted not to force gay players to remain in the closet, and because a handful of gay players have opted to publicly acknowledge that they're gay, that this is tantamount to a league statement covering the majority of the players? Sounds like quite a leap.
 
UConnNick said:
I don't know if there are parents out there who don't want to encourage their daughters to become fans or take them to games for that reason, although it's certainly likely that there are. You can label those folks as homophobes if you want to, but I can understand why they might not be comfortable with their children emulating a lifestyle that can make life considerably more challenging for their kids. It's not right to jump to that conclusion, but as a parent I understand why it's a valid concern to them.
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'Splain to me how you can "encourage" someone to be gay.
 
meyers7 said:
Not what Nick said. Read it again.
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Fine.

'Splain to me why lesbianism is a "lifestyle". Choosing an urban loft over a suburban townhouse is choosing a lifestyle. Being gay is like having blue eyes - it's something you're born with or it's not.

Good thing I have Meyers to fact check all of my posts. I do feel a bit stalked, though.
 
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HuskyNan said:
Fine.

'Splain to me why lesbianism is a "lifestyle". Choosing an urban loft over a suburban townhouse is choosing a lifestyle. Being gay is like having blue eyes - it's something you're born with or it's not.

Good thing I have Meyers to fact check all of my posts. I do feel a bit stalked, though.
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Well you know Mods have to be held to a higher level. Somebody's gotta watch the watchers. ;)

 
Plebe said:
I must be missing something. You earlier said that the league acknowledged that most of the players are gay. I did not ask you when the league published their names. What I asked was when the league made a statement about the sexual orientation of a majority of the players, which was what you indicated had occurred. I don't remember the league ever issuing a statement as to whether the players are "predominantly" of one sexual orientation or another.

Are you saying that because the league has opted not to force gay players to remain in the closet, and because a handful of gay players have opted to publicly acknowledge that they're gay, that this is tantamount to a league statement covering the majority of the players? Sounds like quite a leap.
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Are you disagreeing with the popular (and I believe highly accurate) assertion that the majority (51% +) of WNBA players are gay?

Not that I agree with it, but many people will not want to attend games where there are a lot of overtly gay people around. Whatever their reasons are for this, its their choice. For many people, the gay issue just causes them to lose interest in the league. Its why the WNBA or any league doesn't want to spend a lot of time on this issue because its polarizing and does nothing at all to expand and solidify the fanbase.
 
At UConn Stewie always struck me as one who pretty much stuck to business and kept her own counsel on stuff. A women of few words who spoke trough her game. So this is a surprise to me:

“You have to respect Candice,” Stewart said on ‘SportsCenter.’ “And like I said, if that’s her story, it sucks that that happened. But there is a lot missing in this story. For the league to find what’s missing and put the pieces together, make more sense than just ‘I was straight, and I was bullied for it.’ There’s a lot more to it, I’m sure.”

Breanna Stewart says she doesn’t share Candice Wiggins’ “toxic” experience in WNBA

Good on you Stewie. Good on you.
 
FASTEDDY said:
Are you disagreeing with the popular (and I believe highly accurate) assertion that the majority (51% +) of WNBA players are gay?

Not that I agree with it, but many people will not want to attend games where there are a lot of overtly gay people around. Whatever their reasons are for this, its their choice. For many people, the gay issue just causes them to lose interest in the league. Its why the WNBA or any league doesn't want to spend a lot of time on this issue because its polarizing and does nothing at all to expand and solidify the fanbase.
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This is totally beside the point. The exchange wasn't about my opinion. It was about what the league had (allegedly) done to "acknowledge" that "most" of its players are gay. Someone else said the league had "acknowledged" such a thing. My question is when and how did the league issue an "acknowledgement" of the sexual orientation of a majority of the players. So far I haven't heard an answer to that question.
 
FASTEDDY said:
Are you disagreeing with the popular (and I believe highly accurate) assertion that the majority (51% +) of WNBA players are gay?

Not that I agree with it, but many people will not want to attend games where there are a lot of overtly gay people around. Whatever their reasons are for this, its their choice. For many people, the gay issue just causes them to lose interest in the league. Its why the WNBA or any league doesn't want to spend a lot of time on this issue because its polarizing and does nothing at all to expand and solidify the fanbase.
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How do you know how accurate it is? Actually data on players sexual orientation is not recorded... anywhere. Everyone is just guessing and making assumptions. Just because some people guessed that the % is X, does make it true. People repeating that non fact based guessing doesn't make it true either.
 
HuskyNan said:
'Splain to me how you can "encourage" someone to be gay.
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I don't know, but there are parents out there who think that way. I know the stepson of someone who's a close, personal friend of a very high profile former women's BB player. His stepmother told him the player left the first college she attended after only a few weeks because the players were all trying to hit on her. She transferred to another school. About ten years after her college career was over, she publicly announced she was gay. People hear stories like those and draw their own conclusions. It doesn't matter to me. I have taken plenty of kids, including my own, to a lot of women's BB games. But it does matter to some people.
 
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DaddyChoc said:
even more reason to attend unless the child is a boy
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He was a boy at the time, although at times I took him to games with his male and female friends. Then they become teenagers and it's no longer cool to hang with your parents. Then they become young adults and it becomes cool again.
 
Plebe said:
Lobo retired in 2003, so if you're talking about her direct experience, more like 14 years ago. However, as she states in the article, she has continued to maintain friendships with players in the league, and says she's never heard anything like what Candice is claiming.
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Just because Lobo's experience was different, and she's never heard of any behavior like Wiggins described, doesn't mean that what happened to Wiggins didn't happen. That's patently absurd logic. It's not like any player or players guilty of such behavior are going to tell Lobo about it if it did in fact occur.
 
Devereaux Peters weighs in on Wiggins-gate:

 
UConnNick said:
Just because Lobo's experience was different, and she's never heard of any behavior like Wiggins described, doesn't mean that what happened to Wiggins didn't happen. That's patently absurd logic. It's not like any player or players guilty of such behavior are going to tell Lobo about it if it did in fact occur.
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Ugh. No one is saying it didn't happen. In fact, virtually everyone who has responded to Candice's comments has specifically said that they can't know everything she experienced and that they're only speaking from their own experience. This is the way free speech works: Candice is free to say her piece and present a narrative about her own experience, and then others get to respond and talk about theirs.

Any claim of abuse or bullying in the workplace merits a thorough and earnest investigation. But Candice is refusing to give any information specific enough to even allow an investigation to move forward. And it defies logic that this is a systemic cultural problem if in the 20-year history of the league, and out of hundreds of current and former players, coaches and team staff members, not a single other person has said they've ever experienced, witnessed, or even heard about anything resembling what Candice has described.
 
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Orangutan said:
I love that Dev was petty enough to get t-shirts printed in time for this video:

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I'm not sure. Maybe she simply enjoys wearing T-shirts conveying her preferences in dairy products.
 
Orangutan said:
I love that Dev was petty enough to get t-shirts printed in time for this video:

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I personally thought it was clever -- if they're looking for heteros, she's putting a target on her chest.

In Re (quoting Fasteddy) "overtly gay people around": An elder family member once said, "I don't mind people being gay, I'm just not comfortable with them acting gay."

A few years later, he was visiting from Connecticut, and when we were waiting for the metro, said, "I just saw two men kissing!"

I couldn't resist and said, "You've got gay marriage in Connecticut, time to get used to it."

Also, I've been to a few WNBA games and I can't think if any "overtly gay" behavior, but as you can see from the above, my point of view may be different from others'.
 
DaddyChoc said:
Diggins is in her prime of getting money, you think she's gonna take sides on a issue like this... aint happen'
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If Diggins were to come out and say that she feels bullied...she would REALLY get bullied. The true testament will be if other retired players come out to report that they were bullied. No current player is going to come out and say that they have been bullied. I have only heard of one professional athlete claim publicly that they were bullied. It would come across as a sign of weakness to some other players.

BG stated in her book that she was bullied. Nobody questioned that so why are we so quick to question Wiggins?
 
Bigboote said:
I personally thought it was clever -- if they're looking for heteros, she's putting a target on her chest.

In Re (quoting Fasteddy) "overtly gay people around": An elder family member once said, "I don't mind people being gay, I'm just not comfortable with them acting gay."

A few years later, he was visiting from Connecticut, and when we were waiting for the metro, said, "I just saw two men kissing!"

I couldn't resist and said, "You've got gay marriage in Connecticut, time to get used to it."

Also, I've been to a few WNBA games and I can't think if any "overtly gay" behavior, but as you can see from the above, my point of view may be different from others'.
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I've had conversations with parents of young children who took them to random sporting events, not necessarily WNBA but any sports, and their kids saw two women kissing each other in the stands. Some parents aren't thrilled by the prospect of having to explain to young kids what that's about when they're still at an age when they don't already know. Parents like that are going to avoid attending WNBA games if they perceive that type of behavior is more likely to occur there.
 
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