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When's the earliest they can join? Could it be done for the start of next year?
 
Why not the Loyola Ramblers?! At least they have a championship! :rolleyes:

This conference is going to depend on UConn's success next season. Ollie better get his act together.
 
gtcam said:
Small state? you could fit 3 CTs in Kansas
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Come on - you're smarter than this. If square miles mattered, Alaska would have 7 P5 schools. You knew what he meant.
 
Butch said:
This conference is going to depend on UConn's success next season. Ollie better get his act together.
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A lot of truth in that statement. If UConn becomes UConn, and Memphis follows suit, this is suddenly a very solid league.
 
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Its a move that the AAC has to make they dont have a choice. You may not always get the girl thats a 10, sometimes you gotta settle for a 6 or 7.
 
Scoe said:
Its a move that the AAC has to make they dont have a choice. You may not always get the girl thats a 10, sometimes you gotta settle for a 6 or 7.
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As far as March Madness is concerned, Wichita is like an 8. Other than us, they are the most reliable in March. Not even Cincy, Memphis, Temple, or SMU can compare to them in the last 5-6 years.
 
Scoe said:
Its a move that the AAC has to make they dont have a choice. You may not always get the girl thats a 10, sometimes you gotta settle for a 6 or 7.
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does anyone outside of frat bros and tucker wannabes actually talk about girls that way? I mean, come on.

but if we want to use numbers for WSU that 35-1 regular season a few years back and sweet 16 gets them at least an 8...maybe slightly lower at 7.75. to me this might not be a homerun addition but it is a bases clearing triple.
 
So far in this thread i've read that:

Tulane is a bad academic school.

Wichita State brings nothing because their coach might leave (which could be said of anyone in the pool of schools that would look to join this league)

Punch yourselves a lot.
 
We can't even regularly beat schools like Cincinnati, SMU, Memphis, Temple, Houston and Tulsa in our own conference as it is, and now we add Wichita? Out of that group, only Cincy, Temple and Memphis should be remotely our peers. Cincy won two NCAA titles in the dark ages when it wasn't considered the national championship, and other than several FF failures, the rest of these teams have never done anything in BB. They're all football schools now.

We let in a school like Wichita State and it does everything for them, absolutely nothing for us. Our conference share gets watered down, and we get yet another team we can't beat regularly. Without football, their interests don't correspond with a conference trying to solidify itself as the No. 1 football conference among the G5 leagues.

And, for extra fun, they're bankrolled by the Koch brothers, one of America's richest families. That means they potentially can outspend every other school in our league, especially without a football program to support.

It's an incredibly stupid idea.
 
Wichita Eagle: AAC leader rules out ‘multiple’ additions, which may or may not mean Wichita State

>>The hosts asked him to address reports that Wichita State, Dayton and VCU are possible additions to the American’s 11-school basketball roster. “I don’t know where that stuff started,” Aresco said. “We would always look to improve our basketball, but we are not under any circumstances going back to the old Big East model of multiple basketball schools. Just not happening.”<<

>>“We have 11 basketball members,” Aresco said. “I’m not certain what we’ll do in the future. We’re always evaluating our basketball to see if we can make it stronger. Right now, there is nothing going on.”

Later in the interview, Aresco said that the American is not looking to expand with a football school. “We’re happy at 12,” he said. “On the basketball side … we always explore whether we can strengthen ourselves. Until something is actually happening or would happen, I’m not going to comment.”<<
 
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huskymedic said:
Wichita Eagle: AAC leader rules out ‘multiple’ additions, which may or may not mean Wichita State

>>The hosts asked him to address reports that Wichita State, Dayton and VCU are possible additions to the American’s 11-school basketball roster. “I don’t know where that stuff started,” Aresco said. “We would always look to improve our basketball, but we are not under any circumstances going back to the old Big East model of multiple basketball schools. Just not happening.”<<

>>“We have 11 basketball members,” Aresco said. “I’m not certain what we’ll do in the future. We’re always evaluating our basketball to see if we can make it stronger. Right now, there is nothing going on.”

Later in the interview, Aresco said that the American is not looking to expand with a football school. “We’re happy at 12,” he said. “On the basketball side … we always explore whether we can strengthen ourselves. Until something is actually happening or would happen, I’m not going to comment.”<<
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ugh that photo caption
 
zls44 said:
20 years from now Wichita State might be Idaho State.
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If we're in the AAC 20 years from now, aren't we kind of screwed anyway? So what's it matter?

Yes, Wichita State will likely fade to oblivion without Marshall, but people have been saying that for a few years now, and if there was ever a time he was going to leave, it would have been last season after Van Vleet and Baker graduated. At the current moment, his two leading scorers are both underclassmen, and every player in their rotation sans Frankamp is due back next season for what is already a top ten team on KenPom.

Marshall is a terrific coach, one of the very best. He is also paid very well and adored by a passionate fan base. He strikes me as a bit of a different cat, somebody who might be harder to pry from a mid-major than a guy who is, say, more mentally stable.

I don't know what the financial ramifications of a move like this are, but from a basketball standpoint, if there was ever a program to take a flier on, this would be it. They're aligned perfectly to infuse some life into this league.
 
champs99and04 said:
If we're in the AAC 20 years from now, aren't we kind of screwed anyway? So what's it matter?

Yes, Wichita State will likely fade to oblivion without Marshall, but people have been saying that for a few years now, and if there was ever a time he was going to leave, it would have been last season after Van Vleet and Baker graduated. At the current moment, his two leading scorers are both underclassmen, and every player in their rotation sans Frankamp is due back next season for what is already a top ten team on KenPom.

Marshall is a terrific coach, one of the very best. He is also paid very well and adored by a passionate fan base. He strikes me as a bit of a different cat, somebody who might be harder to pry from a mid-major than a guy who is, say, more mentally stable.

I don't know what the financial ramifications of a move like this are, but from a basketball standpoint, if there was ever a program to take a flier on, this would be it. They're aligned perfectly to infuse some life into this league.
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Count me in as a pro-WSU guy. We are probably screwed if we are in the AAC in 10 years. One question about Marshall - has he actually turned down any upper echelon jobs? I feel like he has said no thanks to advances from the Alabamas and Illinoises of the world. I know Miller and Mack are the presumptive favorites for the Indiana job but that's a job I can see Marshall taking.
 
walker11 said:
Count me in as a pro-WSU guy. We are probably screwed if we are in the AAC in 10 years. One question about Marshall - has he actually turned down any upper echelon jobs? I feel like he has said no thanks to advances from the Alabamas and Illinoises of the world. I know Miller and Mack are the presumptive favorites for the Indiana job but that's a job I can see Marshall taking.
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Fair question, I'm not sure.
 
jleves said:
Come on - you're smarter than this. If square miles mattered, Alaska would have 7 P5 schools. You knew what he meant.
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Being facetious jleves
 
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huskymedic said:
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I think this is a good move for the next six or seven years we will be in the this awful conference. The other good thing (as mentioned in the article) is they will have a really good team next year and could pick up beaucoup NCAA credits for the AAC.
 
huskyniner said:
So we leave a (better) basketball-only conference because "football drives the bus", and then begin adding basketball-only schools to our new conference?
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My thoughts exactly.

This was exactly why the original Big East broke up.

Now they want to restart that all over again?
 
champs99and04 said:
Fair question, I'm not sure.
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He's getting paid over $3 million to be there. There are a grand total of seven coaches in the country who get paid more. He makes more than Ollie, now. The Koch's are stuffing money into the program right now. His job is probably forever secure if he wanted to stay there.

So if money's not an issue and job security isn't an issue and your program is seeing MILLIONS thrown into it... why on earth would you leave to Coach Wake Forest for a couple bucks more (initially) and have a gun to the back of your head the whole time and have to deal with a bunch of over anxious rednecks?
 
Sooner the better. If we can get our s__ together this really should be a quality basketball conference. At this point, Marshall has turned down plenty of mid tier P5 jobs and I can't really see him leaving in the foreseeable future. He likely wouldn't be in the mix for the absolute best blue blood jobs (just my opinion) but doesn't see mid tier jobs like NC State and Illinois (I belive he turned both down) as being more enticing than his current gig. His best fit would probably be the Cuse, Ville, UCONN tier.
 
I was going to say - I could see him heading to a Syracuse maybe... or a UConn...

But even at that - why rebuild something when you've already got something going on and are getting paid stupid money for it?
 
Towney007 said:
I was going to say - I could see him heading to a Syracuse maybe... or a UConn...

But even at that - why rebuild something when you've already got something going on and are getting paid stupid money for it?
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Because a better program requires less work to achieve the same result, or the same work can produce a better result. At some point you have to consider that a good coach, which Marshall has clearly proved he is, would benefit from working at a bigger school that recruits itself.
 
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Towney007 said:
I was going to say - I could see him heading to a Syracuse maybe... or a UConn...

But even at that - why rebuild something when you've already got something going on and are getting paid stupid money for it?
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The upside. Marshall has landed a total of one 4* recruit! And Van Vleet fell outside of the top 100 on the composite rankings. He obviously has an amazing ability to recognize and develop talent. Imagine if he was sorting through players from the 30-80 spots instead of 150-300.
 
walker11 said:
Sooner the better. If we can get our s__ together this really should be a quality basketball conference. At this point, Marshall has turned down plenty of mid tier P5 jobs and I can't really see him leaving in the foreseeable future. He likely wouldn't be in the mix for the absolute best blue blood jobs (just my opinion) but doesn't see mid tier jobs like NC State and Illinois (I belive he turned both down) as being more enticing than his current gig. His best fit would probably be the Cuse, Ville, UCONN tier.
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I agree. But we need more teams I have said VCU Dayton San Diego State even bring back TCU Boise State and northern Illinois (or is it Iowa)and we have a fairly well rounded all around conference
 
MervthePurvis said:
I agree. But we need more teams I have said VCU Dayton San Diego State even bring back TCU Boise State and northern Illinois (or is it Iowa)and we have a fairly well rounded all around conference
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I think SDSU is too far. The fact that we are in a conference with teams like Texas is ridiculous enough. TCU is in the Big12. I'm actually o.k. with keeping the league at 12 teams for football. I think people who only follow basketball would be surprised with how decent the AAC is (I am sad that I am o.k. with using decent as a compliment). Dayton is fine historically but they just lost Miller, who was BY FAR the most successful coach there. Can't do that one. VCU would be a nice addition for basketball only - they have proven to be successful with a number of coaches. Capel, Grant, Smart, Wade all moved on and the program doesn't seem like it skipped a beat.
 
BUConn10 said:
If you didn't think UConn was here to stay in the AAC long term before, I hope this news shows you that the cement is finally drying.
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The whole thing will collapse within 10 years. Book it.
 
uconnfan68 said:
The whole thing will collapse within 10 years. Book it.
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Six to seven. We will either be in a P5 B1G, ACC, Big 12 or a weakened Big 12 or BE/indie football hybrid. No way will we be in the AAC after the 2024/2025 season. The AAC may still survive but it will be without us.
 
walker11 said:
The upside. Marshall has landed a total of one 4* recruit! And Van Vleet fell outside of the top 100 on the composite rankings. He obviously has an amazing ability to recognize and develop talent. Imagine if he was sorting through players from the 30-80 spots instead of 150-300.
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Oh sure, it's less work, but is he really going to get those at say, an Illinois? Or Wake Forest? Because really the only place he's going to go would be one of those super top tier jobs. He's already turned down offers from schools that fall in that category (and I think he spurned Illinois already)... if that was the reason - wouldn't have had plenty instances of said reason to go already?

And you could also argue that the higher you go, the more competitive it gets...
 
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