Why no talk of death penalty for Penn State?

[nelsonmuntz]

I have a hard time believing that any punishment to the current football team will act as a deterrent. I'm guessing about 95-98% of all americans understand it's wrong to molest children, and wrong to protect child molesters. If your morals are so lacking you are willing to protect a child molester, and risk going to jail in the process, losing 20 scholarships isn't going to give you a change of heart.

The argument is that Penn State is so lacking morally, why bother punishing them?

 

[ZooCougar]

The argument is that Penn State is so lacking morally, why bother punishing them?

Why do you have to use a fallacy to try and make your point?

It seems pretty universal that people want some sort of corrective action againts PSU. But there are alot of different ways to do that, but just because someone doesn't endorse the same technique as you, doesn't mean that they are trying to cover for the guilty.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Why do you have to use a fallacy to try and make your point?

It seems pretty universal that people want some sort of corrective action againts PSU. But there are alot of different ways to do that, but just because someone doesn't endorse the same technique as you, doesn't mean that they are trying to cover for the guilty.

WingU did not want corrective action. He was clear about that.

 

[upstater]

WingU did not want corrective action. He was clear about that.

Neither do you. You don't want corrective action either. You want punishment. There's a difference. Not that there's anything wrong with punishment. I think UNC too should be punished much harder. I'm assuming they've already taken corrective action.

 

[spsct]

WingU did not want corrective action. He was clear about that.

That's not how I read WingU's comments. I read them saying that he doesn't believe the penalties he mentioned will have an effect, not that there shouldn't be penalties.

 

[ZooCougar]

Penalties and punishment can also be corrective action. Just pretend that all three are the same thing for a moment. And besides what good is a punishment if it doesn't make you to not want to do the thing that you were not supposed to do in the first place.

 

[BlueMAB]

The argument is that Penn State is so lacking morally, why bother punishing them?

That's your argument. Not mine. I never said that.

 

[BlueMAB]

WingU did not want corrective action. He was clear about that.

In all honesty, get help.

 

[BlueMAB]

The money line is that I want to punish Penn State because UConn can't compete with Penn State. This is the kind of argument WingU uses to defend Penn State.

I didn't defend Penn State, I attacked your argument, because it's smacks of opportunism. Because you're ridiculous enough to make the argument that schools should be "rewarded for not raping children".

So, what reward did your parents give you for not raping children?

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I didn't defend Penn State, I attacked your argument, because it's smacks of opportunism. Because you're ridiculous enough to make the argument that schools should be "rewarded for not raping children".

So, what reward did your parents give you for not raping children?

By not punishing Penn State, you would be punishing all the schools that didn't break the rules. Football is a zero sum game. I know you are slow on the uptake, but there has to be a loser for every winner in football. By letting Penn State get away with cheating, everyone who didn't cheat gets punished because Penn State had an advantage as a result of their cheating. This is basic logic, not rocket science.

It gets tiring to explain the most basic aspects of critical reasoning to you. You are so obtuse most of the time that I assume you are kidding, but you seem serious.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

In all honesty, get help.

I was going to let it go, but I provided the link and you clearly said you did not believe that punishing Penn State would serve any purpose. In another post you state that the current players shouldn't be punished for the acts of a few administrators.

You posted those things IN THIS THREAD. You can't lie about something when you leave a written record. The only explanation I can come up with is that you are so dense you don't even understand the logical and moral problems with your position.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Neither do you. You don't want corrective action either. You want punishment. There's a difference. Not that there's anything wrong with punishment. I think UNC too should be punished much harder. I'm assuming they've already taken corrective action.

You keep dragging other people and issues into this. UNC has nothing to do with the fact that Penn State concealed the activities of a serial child rapist for almost 2 decades, so let's ignore UNC for the time being. Agreed?

If you don't punish this cover-up, then why should any athletic program in the future ever come forward with any violation? By your argument, there is no time machine through which we can go back and change history, so why punish Penn State at all? Haven't they suffered enough? (sarcasm intended)

 

[upstater]

By not punishing Penn State, you would be punishing all the schools that didn't break the rules. Football is a zero sum game. I know you are slow on the uptake, but there has to be a loser for every winner in football. By letting Penn State get away with cheating, everyone who didn't cheat gets punished because Penn State had an advantage as a result of their cheating. This is basic logic, not rocket science.

It gets tiring to explain the most basic aspects of critical reasoning to you. You are so obtuse most of the time that I assume you are kidding, but you seem serious.

My God, you're boiling this down to gaining an advantage for football?

 

[upstater]

You keep dragging other people and issues into this. UNC has nothing to do with the fact that Penn State concealed the activities of a serial child rapist for almost 2 decades, so let's ignore UNC for the time being. Agreed?

If you don't punish this cover-up, then why should any athletic program in the future ever come forward with any violation? By your argument, there is no time machine through which we can go back and change history, so why punish Penn State at all? Haven't they suffered enough? (sarcasm intended)

Uh, no. We're talking about the NCAA's power to punish here. You have to look at how the NCAA operates. Only a tiny mind like yours would interpret that as dragging others into it.

As for the rest, never said any of it. In fact, I've said the exact opposite in this very thread. You continue to twist words into saying the exact opposite of what posters are saying.

What is wrong with you?

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Here is what I think should happen to Penn State:

By the NCAA:

2 year death penalty for football.
1 year death penalty for rest of athletic department.
Permanent, indefinite probation.

Here is what I hope also happens:

The Federal Government institutes a RICO investigation of Penn State's athletic program, since Penn State profited by concealing Sandusky's activities. This would mean that Penn State's athletic program is deemed a criminal enterprise, which is exactly what it was. I hope that any senior employees that had knowledge of Sandusky's activities serve long jail terms.

I hope that Penn State's insurer refuses to pay on its liability policy, and that every individual that knew about Sandusky's activities over the past 20 years and did nothing is sued personally and financially destroyed. This should include the Paterno estate.

I hope the NCAA passes a rule that any employee of an NCAA athletic department is obligated to report knowledge of criminal activity within that athletic department or by its members directly to the NCAA immediately upon finding out. Failure to do so will result in lifetime banishment from employment with any NCAA affiliated institution. Turning in a child rapist should not be as morally complicated as it apparently was for so many in Penn State's athletic department.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

My God, you're boiling this down to gaining an advantage for football?

Upstater,

This thread is a discussion of whether Penn State should get the death penalty. The discussion is about football.

Every single one of your posts in this thread and more generally on this topic is a deflection of Penn State's responsibility or an attack on anyone that thinks Penn State should be severely punished.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Uh, no. We're talking about the NCAA's power to punish here. You have to look at how the NCAA operates. Only a tiny mind like yours would interpret that as dragging others into it.

As for the rest, never said any of it. In fact, I've said the exact opposite in this very thread. You continue to twist words into saying the exact opposite of what posters are saying.

What is wrong with you?

Upstater,

rather than attack me, or any other poster, just state, like I did, what you think should happen. It's that simple. If you don't, I will assume that you are advocating light punishments for Penn State, which would be a fair assumption.

 

[upstater]

Upstater,

This thread is a discussion of whether Penn State should get the death penalty. The discussion is about football.

Every single one of your posts in this thread and more generally on this topic is a deflection of Penn State's responsibility or an attack on anyone that thinks Penn State should be severely punished.

Who cares if other teams will benefit if PSU is punished? That should be the least of anyone's concerns.

Let me twist your words the way you twist everyone else's: You don't give a damn about children, you just want PSU to lose recruits to UConn.

 

[upstater]

Upstater,

rather than attack me, or any other poster, just state, like I did, what you think should happen. It's that simple. If you don't, I will assume that you are advocating light punishments for Penn State, which would be a fair assumption.

I already did. but you can't read. That's your problem.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Who cares if other teams will benefit if PSU is punished? That should be the least of anyone's concerns.

Let me twist your words the way you twist everyone else's: You don't give a damn about children, you just want PSU to lose recruits to UConn.

This argument is the maturity level of rubber/glue. More deflection. Take a stand or stop wasting our time.

 

[upstater]

This argument is the maturity level of rubber/glue. More deflection. Take a stand or stop wasting our time.

Glad to see you agree that my mimicking you is a huge decrease in maturity levels.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

This argument is the maturity level of rubber/glue. More deflection. Take a stand or stop wasting our time.

Is it really a good time building straw men and winning arguments against them all the time? Does that make you feel smart?

Have you given any thought to the notion that if everyone accuses you of twisting words that it may actually be true?

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Is it really a good time building straw men and winning arguments against them all the time? Does that make you feel smart?

Have you given any thought to the notion that if everyone accuses you of twisting words that it may actually be true?

It's funny that someone that agrees with me as much as you do still wants to argue with me all the time simply because I am a Democrat.

But hey, if you want to jump on the Upstater/WingU Penn State Defense team, go right ahead. Because the whole crux of this argument is that I think Penn State should be hammered, and WingU and Upstater think it shouldn't, although both of them refuse to take a position on what they think actually should happen.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

It's funny that someone that agrees with me as much as you do still wants to argue with me all the time simply because I am a Democrat.

Add this to the list of fallacies that you've created.

 

[BlueMAB]

Football is a zero sum game. I know you are slow on the uptake, but there has to be a loser for every winner in football.

See, it's about football. Not about the victims, or protecting others. It's about football.

So what rewards did your parents give you for not raping children? Or when did you stop raping children?