Who We Want to Win (Besides Us, Of Course)

[KingAG]

I don't really care either way about people rooting for or against St John's. But it seems kind of silly to be having this discussion now when I think 100% of UConn fans will agree we're not rooting for them to win any further than Friday anyway

You’d think that. But no that’s not what they’re saying. If we lose Friday they are 109% rooting for St John’s to win the championship

 

[RuffRuff]

You’d think that. But no that’s not what they’re saying. If we lose Friday they are 109% rooting for St John’s to win the championship

That’s of course assuming we win. In the off chance we don’t and they do, then I’m all for them carrying the BE torch.

 

[KingAG]

That’s of course assuming we win. In the off chance we don’t and they do, then I’m all for them carrying the BE torch.

We know.

 

[superjohn]

Since UConn has been winning championships, they have never been in a conference with other teams who were routinely winning championships. The knock even on the historically good BE seasons were how they didn’t win in the tournament. Now all of a sudden we “need St John’s” to win if we don’t. It’s bologna.

It’s not lost on me that the ones pushing that are the ones who been in love with Pitino and St John’s since the off season.

At least we’re being honest

You're again making the mistake of comparing the Big East that was considered the #1 or #2 conference in college basketball to the Big East which is now considered the #5 conference in college basketball. A league which was on equal footing back then in terms of size and money to a much smaller conference now comparitively to the other conferences which brings in 10 times less money than the other conferences.

St. John's is probably my least favorite Big East program.

 

[superjohn]

That’s of course assuming we win. In the off chance we don’t and they do, then I’m all for them carrying the BE torch.

It's insane that other UConn fans wouldn't be doing the same if that's how things played out. It's rooting against our interests.

 

[superjohn]

I don't really care either way about people rooting for or against St John's. But it seems kind of silly to be having this discussion now when I think 100% of UConn fans will agree we're not rooting for them to win any further than Friday anyway

If they win Friday and we lose Friday I'm of course rooting for St. John's to win the whole thing. Same thing I would do for every other Big East program.

 

[KingAG]

You're again making the mistake of comparing the Big East that was considered the #1 or #2 conference in college basketball to the Big East which is now considered the #5 conference in college basketball. A league which was on equal footing back then in terms of size and money to a much smaller conference now comparitively to the other conferences which brings in 10 times less money than the other conferences.

St. John's is probably my least favorite Big East program.

None of this is changing if St John’s wins a championship. You are greatly exaggerating the benefit and importance of St John’s winning a championship. I’m not sure what exactly you think would happen. What would change that perception is BE teams winning OOC games before January, including St John’s. That would result in more bids and a change of perception. St John’s has done their part already. They’re in the S16. They were preseason top 5. No one said the BE was bad because of St John’s. St Jobns winning a championship will have no significance in the success of UConn basketball moving forward.

And even with all that said, I don’t root for anyone to win a championship not named UConn. You approach fandom from a different lens. And you’ve explained why and where that influence came from. But it’s off putting to classify those who don’t hold that approach as “morons”.

 

[RuffRuff]

None of this is changing if St John’s win a championship. You are greatly exaggerating the benefit and importance of St John’s winning a championship. I’m not sure what you exactly think would happen. What would change that perception is BE teams winning OOC games before January, including St John’s. That would result in more bids and a change of perception. St John’s has done their part already. They were preseason top 5. No one said the BE was bad because of St John’s. St Jobns winning a championship will have no significance in the success of UConn basketball moving forward.

You don’t think bringing an NC to the league maintains some necessary clout? It proves we have more than one team that can compete for a natty. Now add Nova to that hopefully and all of a sudden we’re relevant on a small scale.

 

[KingAG]

You don’t think bringing an NC to the league maintains some necessary clout? It proves we have more than one team that can compete for a natty. Now add Nova to that hopefully and all of a sudden we’re relevant on a small scale.

St John’s doesn’t need to win a championship to prove they can compete for one. They are doing that right now. Purdue hasn’t won, yet they are seen as perennial contenders. Houston hasn’t one, yet they are seen as perennial contenders. Gonzaga and So on and so forth.

You would also have to define “clout”. UConn is pretty much blueblood status. We don’t need the BE for clout. We need the BE to win OOC games so that we can game our metrics more easily. That’s it.

 

[superjohn]

None of this is changing if St John’s win a championship. You are greatly exaggerating the benefit and importance of St John’s winning a championship. I’m not sure what you exactly think would happen. What would change that perception is BE teams winning OOC games before January, including St John’s. That would result in more bids and a change of perception. St John’s has done their part already. They were preseason top 5. No one said the BE was bad because of St John’s. St Jobns winning a championship will have no significance in the success of UConn basketball moving forward.

The Big East winning another national championship and another BE program besides UConn winning the national championship wouldn't greatly benefit the league and help it's perception nationally. Instead winning more OOC games in December would.

This is some galaxy brain stuff from you.

 

[Inyatkin]

St John’s doesn’t need to win a championship to prove they can compete for one. They are doing that right now. Purdue hasn’t won, yet they are seen as perennial contenders. Houston hasn’t one, yet they are seen as perennial contenders. Gonzaga and So on and so forth.

You would also have to define “clout”. UConn is pretty much blueblood status. We don’t need the BE for clout. We need the BE to win OOC games so that we can game our metrics more easily. That’s it.

The idea that UConn needs other teams to win to prove our relevance is nutso

 

[superjohn]

The idea that UConn needs other teams to win to prove our relevance is nutso

Agreed.

The idea that other Big East teams winning national championships doesn't benefit UConn and the conference greatly is nutso.

 

[RuffRuff]

St John’s doesn’t need to win a championship to prove they can compete for one. They are doing that right now. Purdue hasn’t won, yet they are seen as perennial contenders. Houston hasn’t one, yet they are seen as perennial contenders. Gonzaga and So on and so forth.

You would also have to define “clout”. UConn is pretty much blueblood status. We don’t need the BE for clout. We need the BE to win OOC games so that we can game our metrics more easily. That’s it.

A S16 ain’t screaming we can compete for an NC. They just got jumper last year in 32 as a 2 seed. Diff of opinion here. I’d take them over any P4.

 

[KingAG]

A S16 ain’t screaming we can compete for an NC. They just got jumper last year in 32 as a 2 seed. Diff of opinion here. I’d take them over any P4.

Cool. Make a final 4. I still don’t want them to win a championship. And Again you and I just view fandom differently, I’m not taking anyone over anyone if UConn loses. I just don’t want my rivals to win. But I have no positive rooting interest for anyone else. I’ll just hate watch lmao

 

[UConnRock]

In terms of "maintaining clout", in the last 15 years the the NCAA Champion count is as follows:
Big East - 6
ACC - 4 (5 if counting the vacated Louisville win)
SEC - 2
Big12 - 2
B1G - 0

There is certainly not a recency bias for many observers when in looking at NCAA championships. For some reason the Kentucky titles in the 1940s-50s, UCLAs run in the 1960s-70s and Duke in the 1990s has more meaning than what has occurred in the last 15 years. It is just the way it is.

 

[RuffRuff]

In terms of "maintaining clout", in the last 15 years the the NCAA Champion count is as follows:
Big East - 6
ACC - 4 (5 if counting the vacated Louisville win)
SEC - 2
Big12 - 2
B1G - 0

There is certainly not a recency bias for many observers when in looking at NCAA championships. For some reason the Kentucky titles in the 1940s-50s, UCLAs run in the 1960s-70s and Duke in the 1990s has more meaning than what has occurred in the last 15 years. It is just the way it is.

A lot is ancient history given the portal. 2 years =10.

 

[superjohn]

In terms of "maintaining clout", in the last 15 years the the NCAA Champion count is as follows:
Big East - 6
ACC - 4 (5 if counting the vacated Louisville win)
SEC - 2
Big12 - 2
B1G - 0

There is certainly not a recency bias for many observers when in looking at NCAA championships. For some reason the Kentucky titles in the 1940s-50s, UCLAs run in the 1960s-70s and Duke in the 1990s has more meaning than what has occurred in the last 15 years. It is just the way it is.

The Louisville national championship was another Big East national championship but the 2014 UConn national championship was an AAC national championship so your 6 number is still accurate.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

In terms of "maintaining clout", in the last 15 years the the NCAA Champion count is as follows:
Big East - 6
ACC - 4 (5 if counting the vacated Louisville win)
SEC - 2
Big12 - 2
B1G - 0

There is certainly not a recency bias for many observers when in looking at NCAA championships. For some reason the Kentucky titles in the 1940s-50s, UCLAs run in the 1960s-70s and Duke in the 1990s has more meaning than what has occurred in the last 15 years. It is just the way it is.

Seriously?


The current BE cannot claim that Villanova without Jay Wright has much clout. UConn & St John's (while Pitino remains) is pretty much it.

 

[superjohn]

Seriously?


The current BE cannot claim that Villanova without Jay Wright has much clout. UConn & St John's (while Pitino remains) is pretty much it.

So every all time great program who loses a great coach no longer has clout as a program? Do those championships just leave with the coach as well? Do those 4 championships the ACC won the past 15 years vanish with Roy, K, and Bennett as well?

 

[Jaydumo20]

Because St John’s being in the Sweet 16 already did their part. The BE needing to be better isn’t referring to St John’s at this point.

Idc if someone wants them to win a championship. I just think it’s asinine to call people “morons” or act like it’s rooting against UConn to root against St John’s.

I’d rather them just admit they have an affinity for other non UConn BE teams.

I don’t. Theyre BE fans. I’m a UConn fan only.

I want BE teams to be tournament teams. Once we are in the tournament i don’t have an affinity for them. They’ve done their part at that point

I get you man. Ill never insult another uconn fan. I love talking about uconn basketball with all of y'all whether I agree or not. Your take seems to be the popular one. I was convinced we'd all want St John's to win and ultimately face us. I said so in the chat waiting for 6 or 7 likes and got the opposite. We're a varied bunch.

 

[Jaydumo20]

You're again making the mistake of comparing the Big East that was considered the #1 or #2 conference in college basketball to the Big East which is now considered the #5 conference in college basketball. A league which was on equal footing back then in terms of size and money to a much smaller conference now comparitively to the other conferences which brings in 10 times less money than the other conferences.

St. John's is probably my least favorite Big East program.

This sums it up for me as well. Current context is everything. We need an image boost. We used to be the opposite.

also Im not "rooting" for them in the classic sense. I am leaving emotion aside and choosing the best option for us outside of UConn winning it. Even if people want to claim it doesnt directly boost our program a lot, any other team winning 1) does absolutely nothing for us or anyone we know 2)only strengthens 1 of the 4 conferences we gripe about.

I think some people think we are gonna wear all red. (However, I was admittedly a huge Malik fan back in the day. Huge!)

 

[FfldCntyFan]

So every all time great program who loses a great coach no longer has clout as a program? Do those championships just leave with the coach as well? Do those 4 championships the ACC won the past 15 years vanish with Roy, K, and Bennett as well?

What I'm saying is one tournament appearance and zero tournament wins since Jay retired basically gives Villanova no more clout than at least 50 P level programs that have done little over the past few years.

Duke has been to a final four since K retired. UNC has quite a few tournament appearances, a couple tournament wins and landed some exceptionally high profile recruits since Roy retired. Virginia has lost quite a bit of luster, yet still is in a better place at the moment than Nova (and yes, I believe that currently Virginia has very little clout, and they would be among the 50 mentioned above).

 

[connVA]

What I'm saying is one tournament appearance and zero tournament wins since Jay retired basically gives Villanova no more clout than at least 50 P level programs that have done little over the past few years.

Duke has been to a final four since K retired. UNC has quite a few tournament appearances, a couple tournament wins and landed some exceptionally high profile recruits since Roy retired. Virginia has lost quite a bit of luster, yet still is in a better place at the moment than Nova (and yes, I believe that currently Virginia has very little clout, and they would be among the 50 mentioned above).

UVA is on the way. Managed to find another handsome middle aged white dude with a bland personality in Odom and he has them on track again.

 

[Lafayette]

I am always going to root for a big east school,

I am always gonna root for Duke to lose

 

[HuskyNan]

Air Corgi made his picks

 

[aceboon]

this should make the St Johns fans on the BY happy, might even climb up there to take selfies next to it

 

[Mr. French]

this should make the St Johns fans on the BY happy, might even climb up there to take selfies next to it

superjohn used his tax returns wisely this year

 

[JwittersPAC]

this should make the St Johns fans on the BY happy, might even climb up there to take selfies next to it

Waterbury is just as dumpy as where St John is located in Queens. Is the next billboard in Hartford or Bridgeport? Lol

 

[Price0809]

There are 10 team in the Sweet 16 who have never won a national championship, if we don't win, any of those I am fine with.

 

[Inyatkin]

this should make the St Johns fans on the BY happy, might even climb up there to take selfies next to it

This is a state that recently had back to back national championships, and they’re bragging about their conference trophies? Go right ahead