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UConnSwag11 said:
What's he good at? Being 7 feet and athletic?
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You guys crack me up. You honestly have no idea what you're talking about.

Cauley-Stein has tremendous tools for a modern-day NBA big man, standing over 7-feet in shoes, with a 7-2 wingspan, and a 240 pound frame. He'll be one of the most athletically gifted big men in the NBA right off the bat, as he runs the court like a track star, and is incredibly fluid, agile, quick and explosive.

Defensively is where he has the chance to be a real game-changer at the NBA level. He legitimately guarded five positions for Kentucky this season, showing incredible versatility and agility covering ground on the perimeter and staying in front of players much smaller than him. His exceptionally quick feet give him the ability to switch seamlessly on pick and rolls, and he does a great job of contesting shots on the perimeter or recovering into the paint and offering rim protection. Cauley-Stein averaged a terrific 3.6 blocks and 1.8 steals per-40 minutes over the course of his career at Kentucky, showing outstanding instincts for forcing turnovers.

From DraftExpress.comhttp://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz3WjL7EFG1
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nomar said:
I can't tell whether your problem is that you don't watch college basketball, the NBA, or both.
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I watch about 10 college basketball every week. I hardly ever watch NBA. But I've seen enough to decide that I don't see Cauley-Stein making anywhere close to a good NBA player.
 
WCS will be a lottery pick and is a modern NBA big man... He would be fantastic on a team that plays the pick and roll game and needs a rim protector and rebounder.
 
JimOllie said:
Players who can't score have a


I watch about 10 college basketball every week. I hardly ever watch NBA. But I've seen enough to decide that I don't see Cauley-Stein making anywhere close to a good NBA player.
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Thats not what you said though. You said he wouldn't be an NBA player at all and would be in the D League.
 
JimOllie said:
Players who can't score have a


I watch about 10 college basketball every week. I hardly ever watch NBA. But I've seen enough to decide that I don't see Cauley-Stein making anywhere close to a good NBA player.
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OK, so you don't watch the NBA. Got it.

He's not a good offensive player, and never will be. But neither are DeAndre Jordan or Tyson Chandler. If you can use your explosive leaping ability to offensive rebound/put back/finish in traffic and you can can finish the pick & roll, and you're a plus defender and rebounder (WCS does need to improve his defensive rebounding) then you don't just have a role in the NBA in 2015 -- you're a star. It's a new day, Rip Van Winkle.
 
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Showballot said:
Thats not what you said though. You said he wouldn't be an NBA player at all and would be in the D League.
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I'm going to make a prediction and I watch a TON of CBB and NBA and have for over 40 years.
WCS has the body and physical tools to be an NBAer - most anyone over 6'11" with any athleticism and who has played the game for a while has a chance BUT if you lack an offensive game beyond stuffing lobs - you are going to struggle lasting more than a couple of years. For the most part, all the players in the NBA are physical phenoms and can jump and block shots. Scoring is a premium with the inside game - he doesnt have the skill set to be a 3, not strong enough and offensively skilled enough to be a 4 in the league. It depends on how fast he bulks up and vastly improves his offensive game - something the Squid has not helped with at all.
 
boog204 said:
WCS will be a lottery pick and is a modern NBA big man... He would be fantastic on a team that plays the pick and roll game and needs a rim protector and rebounder.
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Let's be honest, do you see Cauley-Stein stopping true NBA centers like DeMarcus Cousins or Dwight Howard.
nomar said:
OK, so you don't watch the NBA. Got it.

He's not a good offensive player, and never will be. But neither are DeAndre Jordan or Tyson Chandler. If you can use your explosive leaping ability to offensive rebound/put back/finish in traffic and you can can finish the pick & roll, and you're a plus defender and rebounder (WCS does need to improve his defensive rebounding) then you don't just have a role in the NBA in 2015 -- you're a star. It's a new day, Rip Van Winkle.
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Woah, woah. So you're telling me Cauley-Stein can a DeAndre Jordan type player? Jordan is one of the biggest freak athletes I've seen. I could see Cauley-Stein being a Kendrick Perkins type player and that's about it.
 
gtcam said:
I'm going to make a prediction and I watch a TON of CBB and NBA and have for over 40 years.
WCS has the body and physical tools to be an NBAer - most anyone over 6'11" with any athleticism and who has played the game for a while has a chance BUT if you lack an offensive game beyond stuffing lobs - you are going to struggle lasting more than a couple of years. For the most part, all the players in the NBA are physical phenoms and can jump and block shots. Scoring is a premium with the inside game - he doesnt have the skill set to be a 3, not strong enough and offensively skilled enough to be a 4 in the league. It depends on how fast he bulks up and vastly improves his offensive game - something the Squid has not helped with at all.
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Yes, yes, yes, yes. That's what I'm saying. If you can't score, which he can't, you won't be a good NBA player. Simple as that.
 
nomar said:
You guys crack me up. You honestly have no idea what you're talking about.

Cauley-Stein has tremendous tools for a modern-day NBA big man, standing over 7-feet in shoes, with a 7-2 wingspan, and a 240 pound frame. He'll be one of the most athletically gifted big men in the NBA right off the bat, as he runs the court like a track star, and is incredibly fluid, agile, quick and explosive.

Defensively is where he has the chance to be a real game-changer at the NBA level. He legitimately guarded five positions for Kentucky this season, showing incredible versatility and agility covering ground on the perimeter and staying in front of players much smaller than him. His exceptionally quick feet give him the ability to switch seamlessly on pick and rolls, and he does a great job of contesting shots on the perimeter or recovering into the paint and offering rim protection. Cauley-Stein averaged a terrific 3.6 blocks and 1.8 steals per-40 minutes over the course of his career at Kentucky, showing outstanding instincts for forcing turnovers.

From DraftExpress.comhttp://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz3WjL7EFG1
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So a poor mans tyson chandler if that? No crap he can guard 1-5. He has not improved since his freshman year. No offensive moves. What you posted is what I said. I should've put something defensively about him
 
gtcam said:
I'm going to make a prediction and I watch a TON of CBB and NBA and have for over 40 years.
WCS has the body and physical tools to be an NBAer - most anyone over 6'11" with any athleticism and who has played the game for a while has a chance BUT if you lack an offensive game beyond stuffing lobs - you are going to struggle lasting more than a couple of years. For the most part, all the players in the NBA are physical phenoms and can jump and block shots. Scoring is a premium with the inside game - he doesnt have the skill set to be a 3, not strong enough and offensively skilled enough to be a 4 in the league. It depends on how fast he bulks up and vastly improves his offensive game - something the Squid has not helped with at all.
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I am no Calapari fan, but i'm constantly seeing a knock on his ability to "develop" players. How's PN & Kelis Fisher development going?
 
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Showballot said:
I am no Calapari fan, but i'm constantly seeing a knock on his ability to "develop" players. How's PN & Kelis Fisher development going?
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You can't deny PN and Kelis Fisher have improved since their freshman years. So yes they have developed. As someone said earlier, Cauley-Stein has not gotten much better since his freshman year.
 
JimOllie said:
Let's be honest, do you see Cauley-Stein stopping true NBA centers like DeMarcus Cousins or Dwight Howard.


Woah, woah. So you're telling me Cauley-Stein can a DeAndre Jordan type player? Jordan is one of the biggest freak athletes I've seen. I could see Cauley-Stein being a Kendrick Perkins type player and that's about it.
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That would be a pretty solid player and yield a LONG NBA career. Perkins was a beast for the Celtics the year they won the title. So you went from saying there is no way he would make it in the NBA and would be a D Leaguer to comparing him to a guy who has been in the NBA for 14 years?
 
Jerry1714 said:
WTF are you talking about?

Cal is a coach, he does not play
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Even if by accident, he was spot on. Calipari is by no means NBA ready. Maybe after another 50 years of college coaching experience he could get a talented NBA team to the playoffs.
 
Showballot said:
That would be a pretty solid player and yield a LONG NBA career. Perkins was a beast for the Celtics the year they won the title. So you went from saying there is no way he would make it in the NBA and would be a D Leaguer to comparing him to a guy who has been in the NBA for 14 years?
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I said at best he could be like Perkins who is currently playing 16 minutes per game and averaging 3 points. I wouldn't be surprised one bit to see Cauley-Stein in the D-League.
 
JimOllie said:
Yes, yes, yes, yes. That's what I'm saying. If you can't score, which he can't, you won't be a good NBA player. Simple as that.
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It's amazing to me that you admit you don't watch the NBA, your comparisons to current players are laughably nonsensical (Willie Caulie Stein and Kendrick Perkins???) and yet you're going to tell people how this kid is going to fare at the NBA level.

And your point about scoring honestly reads like a parody of someone trying to sound like he had no idea what he's talking about.
 
JimOllie said:
You can't deny PN and Kelis Fisher have improved since their freshman years. So yes they have developed. As someone said earlier, Cauley-Stein has not gotten much better since his freshman year.
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Good lord it just gets crazier.
 
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BigErnMcCracken said:
It's amazing to me that you admit you don't watch the NBA, your comparisons to current players are laughably nonsensical (Willie Caulie Stein and Kendrick Perkins???) and yet you're going to tell people how this kid is going to fare at the NBA level.

And your point about scoring honestly reads like a parody of someone trying to sound like he had no idea what he's talking about.
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I just know that Perkins can't score and plays good defense which is exactly what Cauley-Stein does.
 
Showballot said:
I am no Calapari fan, but i'm constantly seeing a knock on his ability to "develop" players. How's PN & Kelis Fisher development going?
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It's been what two/three years of head coaching for ollie? Facey has improved but has been playing out of position as of now. How did bazz, boat, daniels, develop(and don't say they were Calhouns guys, ollie had much to do with their development in practice and before games)? How long has cal been coaching? How was daniel orton, poythress, lee, d johnson etc. The reason they were good this year was because of towns, lyles, and booker. Throw in ulis. They were the most talented on the team and why those three will probably leave
 
I was going to respond but it's not worth my time talking about the NBA with someone who doesn't watch the NBA. Kendrick Perkins is a hilarious comp.
 
JimOllie said:
You can't deny PN and Kelis Fisher have improved since their freshman years. So yes they have developed. As someone said earlier, Cauley-Stein has not gotten much better since his freshman year.
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JimOllie said:
Can you honestly tell me Facey and Nolan have gotten ANY better since their freshman years?
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Insert confused meme here -->
 
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God I hate Kentucky as much as the next guy but these constant Cal threads make us look so small. Every thread could be summed up to this: Squid sucks ass
 
JimOllie said:
Can you honestly tell me Facey and Nolan have gotten ANY better since their freshman years?
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I can honestly tell you that neither has gotten ANY better. Nolan may have even regressed somehow and Facey is an enigma
 
JimOllie said:
Yeah, sure I would take a one and done. I just don't prefer them. I like getting the players that take a year or two to develop and stay all four years. Take Frank Kaminsky for example. He started two games through his first two years. Now as a senior, he's POY. Those are the kinds of players I want to come to UConn.
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Selfishly, I'd like a player who contributes throughout their four years in college and not jump early. But if a player is only going to be effective only for two, what difference does it make if those years are his Freshman/Sophomore years or Junior/Senior Years?
 
Husky25 said:
Selfishly, I'd like a player who contributes throughout their four years in college and not jump early. But if a player is only going to be effective only for two, what difference does it make if those years are his Freshman/Sophomore years or Junior/Senior Years?
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You take the best players you can but you do also need those 3-4 year players. He gets the best players and the media and recruits thinks he's good at X's and os as well as a developer. I only brought it up because I really didn't know
 
WCS is Brandan Wright, basically. (I just realized he spells his name with an A, that's horrific). With a chance to be more if he develops (ie the Tyson Chandler comps). That has value in the NBA.
 
As bad as Calipari is at in-game coaching, you can't argue his development of his players, especially for his freshman. The learning curve in college basketball is tremendous (see Rudy Gay, Andre Drummond). Towns turned into an absolute stud, from just an athletic big in the beginning of the year
 
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