What is the opposite of poised? (Merged)

[uconngb]

OSU went 2-18 on threes despite numerous open looks. UConn was lucky to be in a one possession game late.

We are outmanned and even with a short roster we're carrying dead weight - Enoch sucks, our other bigs still have foul issue, we can't get to the line or shoot FTs when we get there. The 3-4 guys who have a reasonably competent overall game can't carry us.

Look, we all love the Huskies and want them to win. But this isn't going to be our year. Only chance is to win the AAC tourney, so let's all calm down. Shiat happens and this year it did in spades.

I think this sums things up quite well. It just sucks when even after all you describe and with the limited team we put out there, we let an eminently winnable game go by the boards if we could just make some basic plays that any fundamentally sound 8th grade team could make. THAT is what really sucks about this year.

 

[TRest]

FYI... "under his own volition" is to try to keep people from running out of bounds to gain an advantage. "Volition" also includes when dribbling. If his momentum carries him off the court when he's running to a stop (which is what usually happens) he's ok. Doesn't even need two feet in bounds before he catches it... one could be in the air. just can't have one foot out like he always seems to lol.

I'm pretty certain he ran outside of the baseline trying to lose his defender, came back in front of our bench to catch a pass. So that was a violation.

 

[upstater]

Uh...Section 4. Player Out of Bounds Art. 1. A player who steps out of bounds under his own volition and then becomes the first player to touch the ball after returning to the playing court has committed a violation.

I'm the one who cited this rule first last night.

He was the second player to touch the ball, not the first. It was passed to him.

 

[upstater]

I'm pretty certain he ran outside of the baseline trying to lose his defender, came back in front of our bench to catch a pass. So that was a violation.

He had 7 steps on the court.

 

[husky429]

I'm pretty certain he ran outside of the baseline trying to lose his defender, came back in front of our bench to catch a pass. So that was a violation.

The rule was made for big guys camping out of bounds by the short corner to give guards space to drive.

but no the passer was the first person to touch the ball, so not a violation. Especially considering he took multiple steps after running out of bounds. The advantage gained was negated. And if his defender gives him even a minuscule bump on that baseline it wasn't of his own volition.

theres probably some ref discretion involved, but cmon, he didn't run into the stands.

 

[husky429]

Speaking of obscure rules... maybe that weird old "two inbounder" thing Princeton did would work for us?

It can't get any worse than it is already.

Basically two (or more) players can pass the ball out of bounds on the baseline after an opponents made basket. It might be a good way to get the ball to Jalen when he's getting some pressure in the backcourt.

 

[uconn13]

you can't spell the word dysfunctional without the letters u c o n n...I know that I have said that many times over the years on here, but this years bunch is at the head of the class in that regard

they do have significant injuries, but they continue to baffle in regards to basic basketball fundamentals

a lot of what they are good at is reminiscent of 6th grade recess hoops

 

[mauconnfan]

if I knew how to post a picture, I would post a picture of Rodney. It is completely unreal how a 5th year senior, former McD AA can make as many bonehead plays per game as this guy. Brimah and Facey at least have shown some signs of consistent improvement lately. Yes, Purvis made some big shots against Cuse, but he single handedly gave this game away tonight. Unfortunately we are stuck w him for the rest of the year, god I can't wait until he's gone.

And to anyone blaming the refs.please. UConn gift wrapped that game for OSU, the refs had ZERO to do w the outcome. Another winnable game lost due to sheer basketball stupidity. A good effort from everyone not named Rodney Purvis was wasted.

No one's blaming the refs but it was lopsided as hell and anyone not seeing that ...Please. And anyone throwing it all on Rodney is just a fool. Not even worth discussing, lots of mistakes and issues but love the blinders you watch the game with but letting you know you might want to ask for a new pair from Santa.

 

[mauconnfan]

I love Jalen, but he completely disappeared in the second half. Absolutely invisible. He didn't run the offense, he didn't drive to the hoop and he didn't score in the second half until there was about a minute left. I understand he can't do everything, and he isn't always going to play great, but he got shut down a couple times very early in the second half driving to the hoop and then just seemed to give up on trying after that. Completely silent. This team simply can't win if he disappears for an entire half. That's just reality with this roster.

This 33 spot on. He needs to identify the fact they will not let him be the guy who they saw in the first half, obvious adjustments knowing he can kill them. That said, it's at that point he needs to be the decoy, even with the ball and see where the doubles are coming and get the ball to open looks. No forcing anything and being proactive as to seeing a play he can create knowing where the additional help will come from, he's not there yet and that's okay. Great game for him and the staff to break down on film and find out how they will overcome this because it will happen a lot. I'm afraid it's all about learning this year and this was just another example of coming up short. Having said that, the staff should also be prepped for this and have some set plays in which he is either running off the ball or creating situations where he is setting up people.

Like to win these, and will eventually but it's funny how I feel about this the next morning. Not painful at all as I accepted the year (sucks though) and hope our guys are much stronger by years end and next year just because.

 

[jibsey]

Jalen has the ball in his hands like 80% of the time so if he turns it over it is part of the deal for handling that much. He had a palming, a walk, and a late game take away. The problem is with everyone else giving it up, fumbling, bad hands, traveling. How many turnovers did we have? 16-7. It's almost crazy that we were in the game with that stat, and it tells me that OSU is pretty bad too.

 

[Obrero]

The opposite of poise? How bout Brimah's fifth foul. It was the kind of mistake a freshman might make in December, but by February he's learned enough to stop doing it. Brimah's still making that bonehead move in his senior year. I don't remember ever seeing a four year player develop so little at Uconn. SMH.

 

[mauconnfan]

The opposite of poise? How bout Brimah's fifth foul. It was the kind of mistake a freshman might make in December, but by February he's learned enough to stop doing it. Brimah's still making that bonehead move in his senior year. I don't remember ever seeing a four year player develop so little at Uconn. SMH.

C'mon Obrero it's Rodney's fault he committed that foul get with the program

 

[mauconnfan]

Have deleted more posts than I've written about Rodney because I hate to trash our kids, especially ones who do try hard. But damn he drives me crazy.

That said, we lose to 'Cuse easily the other night without him.

He's maddening.

Thanks amazing these guys are nowhere to be found when he goes 5-10 from 3 and plays great D on a scorer from the other team. He's easy to target just like AB, just be sure you let everyone know when they play well too, don't come here just when he has a bad game.

 

[mauconnfan]

And play CV who is even a worse shooter and does nothing else on the floor?

Do you even watch a game and if you do have you any idea of how to play? The kid is struggling shooting the ball, beyond struggling, but I think he can shoot. Having said that he doesn't turn it over all that much and his defense is the best on the perimeter. Plays hard, fights through picks all over the court, knows where to help and when to. He's a solid defender and part of the reason we are in games.

Check it out sometime, you may even see a glimpse of good D.

 

[TRest]

He had 7 steps on the court.

Where in the rule does it spell out how many steps are allowed? How did you count them?

 

[mauconnfan]

I'm pretty certain he ran outside of the baseline trying to lose his defender, came back in front of our bench to catch a pass. So that was a violation.

I will have to see that again but while you need to establish yourself with 2 feet, you also can't use the oob's to your advantage without being forced out. And you need to come back in immediately.

 

[navery12]

For a bunch of people who "hate to say anything bad because he's a great guy", you sure have a lot of bad things to say about him

 

[JSM1970]

There is a difference between being a bad shooter and struggling.

We need scoring, we struggle to get 60 with such little consistent contribution from the front court. we can't take our 2nd best scorer out for a guy who can't score or shoot. Now you're asking JA to get 35 every night and he's not a good enough shooter to do that.

I do agree RP can be confounding. Next year we'll be good with a primary guard rotation of JA-AG-MAL.

Do you even watch a game and if you do have you any idea of how to play? The kid is struggling shooting the ball, beyond struggling, but I think he can shoot. Having said that he doesn't turn it over all that much and his defense is the best on the perimeter. Plays hard, fights through picks all over the court, knows where to help and when to. He's a solid defender and part of the reason we are in games.

Check it out sometime, you may even see a glimpse of good D.

 

[mauconnfan]

Love hating on Purvis, reason why we lost verse OSU is because Trevor Thompson went 17 & 17 verse us coming off the bench.

Totally embarrassing.

Our bigs.

Yes Purvis is frustrating but he is further down on the list of issues.

Anyone realize RP's averaging 6.3 rebounds the last 3 and almost 5 on the year. Asked for improvement there and he's done just that.

 

[8893]

Anyone realize RP's averaging 6.3 rebounds the last 3 and almost 5 on the year. Asked for improvement there and he's done just that.

There is no question that he giveth; or that he also taketh away. That's why he's so damned frustrating to so many of us.

Yes, the same could be said of any of our kids, precisely because they are kids. I think a big part of the reason that the frustration with Rodney is boiling over this season is because he is a fifth year senior and we necessarily have to rely more on him due to our under-manned roster, and his shortcomings and inconsistency are all the more glaring now.

I will agree that his rebounding improvement has been notable.

 

[navery12]

I will have to see that again but while you need to establish yourself with 2 feet, you also can't use the oob's to your advantage without being forced out. And you need to come back in immediately.

There's video of the game on YouTube and the link is in here.

Looks like he ran out of bounds on his own which means he can't be the first one to touch the ball. Not sure I agree with the rule, but based on how it's written looks like the right call

Edit: Forgot to say, the play happens at around 1:09:30 in the video (6:20 remaining in game time)

 

[chiller99.5]

I really dont expect a lot from the team as a whole except to hustle ,work hard on the boards and defensively. Brimah going to commit fouls trying to block shots,Purvis is going to be streaky and Jalen overworked. Just the fact they are out there in that zone shows this isnt going to be the typical UCONN team and Ollie is trying anything to stay competitive

 

[TRest]

There's video of the game on YouTube and the link is in here.

Looks like he ran out of bounds on his own which means he can't be the first one to touch the ball. Not sure I agree with the rule, but based on how it's written looks like the right call

Edit: Forgot to say, the play happens at around 1:09:30 in the video (6:20 remaining in game time)

Thanks for that, I only had my memory as it happened and wasn't keeping an eye on him beforehand.

 

[upstater]

Where in the rule does it spell out how many steps are allowed? How did you count them?

I counted them on my fingers.

But, to answer your question, the feet thing only applies when a player last touched the ball. It doesn't apply in this situation. I considered that maybe the ref got confused. But, the fact is, Purvis was the second player to touch the ball after he went out of bounce. I actually read the explanation of the rule on a NCAA refs forum.

 

[upstater]

There's video of the game on YouTube and the link is in here.

Looks like he ran out of bounds on his own which means he can't be the first one to touch the ball. Not sure I agree with the rule, but based on how it's written looks like the right call

Edit: Forgot to say, the play happens at around 1:09:30 in the video (6:20 remaining in game time)

But, he was the second one to touch the ball.

 

[gtcam]

if I knew how to post a picture, I would post a picture of Rodney. It is completely unreal how a 5th year senior, former McD AA can make as many bonehead plays per game as this guy. Brimah and Facey at least have shown some signs of consistent improvement lately. Yes, Purvis made some big shots against Cuse, but he single handedly gave this game away tonight. Unfortunately we are stuck w him for the rest of the year, god I can't wait until he's gone.

And to anyone blaming the refs.please. UConn gift wrapped that game for OSU, the refs had ZERO to do w the outcome. Another winnable game lost due to sheer basketball stupidity. A good effort from everyone not named Rodney Purvis was wasted.

RP did not have his best game but by no means was he the one person to pin this loss on. JA has to learn to become a leader and understand when to take it to the hole and when to QB. He left a lot of points on missed layups - ones he normally makes.
The foul difference did come into play and in my opinion - let a lot of slapping and over the backs go for OSU but blew the whistle everytime a UConn big went up for the ball and an OSU player was within arms length distance. To say it had nothing to do is ridiculous.

A good effort from everyone? Name me the good things consistently that CV did on offense? Was Vance the lights out shooter he came in as announced? SE - did he play lights out?

We get it you don't like RP but your dislike colors your opinion just like all the constant KO bashers

Without RP - the Syracuse win would not have happened but he was not the reason UConn lost to OSU

 

[pnow15]

Ollie needs to start Vance at the 3. Adams and Vital at the guards.
Purvis should come off the bench in a heat check situation or when the starters need a blow, but limiting his minutes is necessary if only to get Vance ready as a prime time player. Larriot is not guaranteed to recover for next season so Vance is the guy for now and the future.

 

[businesslawyer]

God, so much of this is crazy.

1. We have 3.5 perimeter players, with Jackson paying some of his minuses at the 4. This worry about who is starting is a total waste of time. Purvis is going to play over 30 minutes this year every game in which he doesn't take himself out with injury or foul trouble.

2. Someone on this team has to be willing to take shots that aren't great shots. Purvis waiting to be wide open to take a shot means that often we're not going to get a shot off any better than what he is taking. He, KO and the team all know this. If Vitale and Jackson start being able to create and make their own tough shots, great. But what do you think will happen to their shooting percentages if they end up having to take some of the shots that Rodney does?

3. He is not a great player. His shooting will remain inconsistent. it's not that we don't have better options -- we don't even have other options.

4. But we loved Kromah, who wasn't a fraction of the player that RP is. The difference was that Kromah was asked to play hard, and give us a number when available. Rp is being asked to play to play hard and produce numbers, whether they are there or not. It's easier to look good when your task is easier.

5. Finally, RP is so far from being our biggest problem that this is like blaming Shirreffs for our offensive issues in football (and that complaint did not work out well from the idiots making it.) With Durham out, we needed Enoch to give us anything, and Facey and AB to just be able to stay on the floor. How did that work out for us.

 

[navery12]

But, he was the second one to touch the ball.

Not after he ran out of bounds, he was the first person to touch it. Unless I'm misinterpreting the rule, which is possible. Runs out of bounds at 1:09:44 of the video, when Vital has the ball, who then passes it to him immediately after he comes back inbounds

 

[Ts5034]

I cant remember any other players taking this much heat on the boneyard since I joined this place back in 2009 than Purvis and Brimah. As far as Purvis goes...Yes, a lot of the criticism has been deserved, but he is not the reason we lost to Ohio St, and he is not the reason that we are 4-5. If we didnt have Rodney, things would be a lot worse than they are right now.