OT: What’s the biggest hardo thing you do out of principal?

[Dove]

I need to get better at telling deli workers to change their gloves after they dealt with a previous customer. Watching them handle two door levers and a meat slicer handle before touching my meat or cheese? Not accepttable. And stop dangling a piece to aske if it is okay. And no(!!!) I do not want a piece to eat!!!

 

[CL82]

It's going to be fascinating to see what happens over the next hundred years or so as automation continues to increase per capita productivity while actual human work dwindles to next to nothing (at least in many manufacturing, transportation and logistics sectors). I don't see any solution to the problem other than taxing the heck out of the producers and distributing it among the people who can't find work with a living wage. It's a delicate line to walk though, as too much taxation will the proliferation and technological advancement of automation, which will only prolong the problem.

Full disclosure: I am an automation engineer, so not only am I highly biased, but I am completely talking out of my when it comes to economics and public policy.

We will be OK as long as we have telephone sanitizers.

 

[TheChamps990411]

And how wrong you are!

only im not. Nice try though.

 

[Devland]

I need to get better at telling deli workers to change their gloves after they dealt with a previous customer. Watching them handle two door levers and a meat slicer handle before touching my meat or cheese? Not accepttable. And stop dangling a piece to aske if it is okay. And no(!!!) I do not want a piece to eat!!!

At least you can see what the deli workers are doing. Imagine what happens in a restaurant kitchen? Especially when you send your food back.

 

[methodology]

At least you can see what the deli workers are doing. Imagine what happens in a restaurant kitchen? Especially when you send your food back.

Having worked and knowing owners of many restaurants I've seen/ been in many kitchens. What you don't know won't hurt you. Just enjoy the food. It's no different than it being prepared in your own kitchen but if you are a dick patron and are constantly complaining/ sending food back chances are high your meal wasn't prepared with the best of care.

 

[storrsroars]

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Having worked and knowing owners of many restaurants I've seen/ been in many kitchens. What you don't know won't hurt you. Just enjoy the food. It's no different than it being prepared in your own kitchen but if you are a dick patron and are constantly complaining/ sending food back chances are high your meal wasn't prepared with the best of care.

Seriously. People concerned about stuff like this should be limited to eating out of vending machines.

More people die from distracted driving accidents each year. So by eating at home today, you'll avoid those nasty restaurants AND also avoid driving texters, so you're really improving your chances of seeing Wednesday. Add a bubble around your house and you're really good!

 

[superjohn]

Having worked and knowing owners of many restaurants I've seen/ been in many kitchens. What you don't know won't hurt you. Just enjoy the food. It's no different than it being prepared in your own kitchen but if you are a dick patron and are constantly complaining/ sending food back chances are high your meal wasn't prepared with the best of care.

As a teen I was a busser and dishwasher at a fancy restaurant, diners would be horrified if they knew what went on. I saw meals go in the trash and then taken out of the trash when told it was supposed to be put in a doggie bag to go.

 

[methodology]

As a teen I was a busser and dishwasher at a fancy restaurant, diners would be horrified if they knew what went on. I saw meals go in the trash and then taken out of the trash when told it was supposed to be put in a doggie bag to go.

Yea when there is food being wrapped up to go its not being cooked again if something happens. I've seen servers accidentally drop steak on the kitchen floor and pick it up to pack it to go

 

[NJHusky]

It's going to be fascinating to see what happens over the next hundred years or so as automation continues to increase per capita productivity while actual human work dwindles to next to nothing (at least in many manufacturing, transportation and logistics sectors). I don't see any solution to the problem other than taxing the heck out of the producers and distributing it among the people who can't find work with a living wage. It's a delicate line to walk though, as too much taxation will the proliferation and technological advancement of automation, which will only prolong the problem.

Full disclosure: I am an automation engineer, so not only am I highly biased, but I am completely talking out of my when it comes to economics and public policy.

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So you work so that everyone else gets taxed to pay for those that have no skills. Using your logic, it would be better for taxpayers if you didn’t have a job!

 

[Husky25]

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So you work so that everyone else gets taxed to pay for those that have no skills. Using your logic, it would be better for taxpayers if you didn’t have a job!

Sadly, that is a lot of people's logic.

 

[Rico444]

It's going to be fascinating to see what happens over the next hundred years or so as automation continues to increase per capita productivity while actual human work dwindles to next to nothing (at least in many manufacturing, transportation and logistics sectors). I don't see any solution to the problem other than taxing the heck out of the producers and distributing it among the people who can't find work with a living wage.

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EDIT: Damn, beat me to the punch

 

[RichZ]

Never wear a hat in a restaurant, I lose my mind when I see people do it. Glad I was able to find this thread.

Then don't go to most restaurants in the rural south.

 

[Dove]

Yea when there is food being wrapped up to go its not being cooked again if something happens. I've seen servers accidentally drop steak on the kitchen floor and pick it up to pack it to go

Dammit. I assumed those were peppercorns.

 

[CL82]

Dammit. I assumed those were peppercorns.

Dove: "Honey look at the size of these peppercorns!"

 

[Chin Diesel]

I'm not convinced that Wall-E isn't more right than wrong 100 years from now. Fat, lifeless humans strictly existing for pleasure controlled by robots doing all the work.

 

[XLCenterFan]

I never lock doors, just so I can dispute everyone's fear of crime.

Growing up, my family's house was never locked, and I haven't locked my car door ever. I've never been robbed.

 

[methodology]

I never lock doors, just so I can dispute everyone's fear of crime.

Growing up, my family's house was never locked, and I haven't locked my car door ever. I've never been robbed.

I keep my car unlocked and keys under the front seat at home that way I never lose them. Never been robbed. I would do same with house but wifey is manic thinking everyone is breaking into and robbing houses but who in their right mind is coming into a house with 4 dogs one that is 110 lb German shepherd

 

[Yardigan]

And that's an interesting one. If I recall, they did that because gasoline fumes are a known carcinogen. So they assumed a dedicated pump employee could take steps to mitigate exposure. Of course they rarely do, so instead of a minor exposure unlikely to cause cancer, they are killing all those poor attendants. We have a town near me with the same rule.

So, instead of spreading fumes around among all the customers. Just have a concentrated handful suck em down for everyone else.

 

[Yardigan]

I never lock doors, just so I can dispute everyone's fear of crime.

Growing up, my family's house was never locked, and I haven't locked my car door ever. I've never been robbed.

Where I grew up, we never locked the door either, and if you took the keys out of the car....you got yelled at.

 

[Get a Job]

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So you work so that everyone else gets taxed to pay for those that have no skills. Using your logic, it would be better for taxpayers if you didn’t have a job!

Well it's always better for taxpayers for others to have jobs, assuming it means they will require less public assistance.

To clarify, I am not coming at this from a nanny-state point of view. I am not arguing the rich should pay for the poor out of principle. I am simply wondering what happens if and when there is literally not enough money being made available by employers for human labor. At that point society can either let the lower class fester, or take money from the producers and distribute it. Imagine the limiting case in which there are literally no human jobs available in manufacturing, transportation, and logistics. I'm genuinely interested to hear alternative ideas for dealing with such a situation.

 

[uconnfan68]

only im not. Nice try though.

Says you... on the internet.

 

[Bezzz]

I never lock doors, just so I can dispute everyone's fear of crime.

Growing up, my family's house was never locked, and I haven't locked my car door ever. I've never been robbed.

My daughter moved to Louisville about a year ago for work. Her car had a keyless entry thing, and she left a spare key in the car. Because of that the car wouldn't let her lock it. Within weeks her car was stolen.

Her car was recovered a couple weeks later. Cops pulled it over at 3:00 AM, CT plates in Kentucky, duh. The driver took off and ran. Car was trashed, dented, missing tire riding on a spare, stunk like smoke. Oh yeah, they found a stolen hand gun in the glove compartment. They tracked down the driver because he left some mail in the car. Idiot. Fun times in Louisville!

Guys, lock your car.

 

[wheelerdog]

I never lock doors, just so I can dispute everyone's fear of crime.

Growing up, my family's house was never locked, and I haven't locked my car door ever. I've never been robbed.

When I was a kid my brother would leave his car keys on the dashboard hoping someone would steal it and force my parents to buy him another one. No luck.

 

[NJHusky]

Well it's always better for taxpayers for others to have jobs, assuming it means they will require less public assistance.

To clarify, I am not coming at this from a nanny-state point of view. I am not arguing the rich should pay for the poor out of principle. I am simply wondering what happens if and when there is literally not enough money being made available by employers for human labor. At that point society can either let the lower class fester, or take money from the producers and distribute it. Imagine the limiting case in which there are literally no human jobs available in manufacturing, transportation, and logistics. I'm genuinely interested to hear alternative ideas for dealing with such a situation.

Assuming that those folks in manufacturing etc will not be able to adapt and learn other skills is imo a pretty condescending point of view.

Seriously, if the end game of automation is to create an increased state of dependence what is the point? So maybe we should get rid of all farm equipment and do it the Amish way?

 

[Get a Job]

Assuming that those folks in manufacturing etc will not be able to adapt and learn other skills is imo a pretty condescending point of view.

Seriously, if the end game of automation is to create an increased state of dependence what is the point? So maybe we should get rid of all farm equipment and do it the Amish way?

I assume no such thing. I am merely questioning if there will be enough of a market for the skills they learn.

I am not arguing, and have never heard anyone suggest, that the purpose of automation is to increase dependence (although I bet Alex Jones is a proponent). It would just be a side effect.

 

[NJHusky]

I assume no such thing. I am merely questioning if there will be enough of a market for the skills they learn.

I am not arguing, and have never heard anyone suggest, that the purpose of automation is to increase dependence (although I bet Alex Jones is a proponent). It would just be a side effect.

Actually, that is exactly the end game your project.

when there is literally not enough money being made available by employers for human labor. At that point society can either let the lower class fester, or take money from the producers and distribute it.

so by that logic, since reapers took away many farm jobs, John Deere should be paying former farmhands and google should be paying 411 operators and research librarians

 

[Get a Job]

Actually, that is exactly the end game your project.

so by that logic, since reapers took away many farm jobs, John Deere should be paying former farmhands and google should be paying 411 operators and research librarians

I don't have a project. I said that my pea brain can only think of one potential solution, and I'm wondering aloud if there are others I'm missing. I am not advocating for a universal basic income type solution, although I would if the only alternative was every man for himself. Also, just repeating your assertion without additional detail or evidence does nothing to further the conversation.

My logic does not lead to your scenario. When farm equipment and search engines were invented, there were still plenty of jobs available, many of which were made possible by the introduction of the disruptive technologies themselves. I hope that continues to be the case forever. I am simply wondering what happens if it ceases to be the case.

 

[David 76]

Assuming that those folks in manufacturing etc will not be able to adapt and learn other skills is imo a pretty condescending point of view.

Seriously, if the end game of automation is to create an increased state of dependence what is the point? So maybe we should get rid of all farm equipment and do it the Amish way?

Hardooo!

 

[manbyrd]

The devaluing of human manual labor has been happening and will continue as long as we have a free market. Eventually if its cheaper for a robot to do it, a robot should do it. There is collateral damage to the US and developed countries. Its contributing to the two diverging economies and the rise in disability claims (essentially UBI) and worrisome income inequality. Automation is not just coming for truck drivers and cashiers, but surgeons and lawyers are in the crosshairs too.

So we can 1. continue to do nothing and let it all shake out or 2. address it proactively.

Sure I'd bet truck drivers and cashiers can learn other professions, but where will the demand come from? What do you do when you get laid off on Friday and you have little or no savings. Take out some student loans and get that degree? What happens to your community when a factory closes?

Maybe people will adjust, quickly and seamlessly and it'll all work out. And hey that's their problem, why should I suffer someone who didn't go to college, or chose the wrong profession, or is just unlucky?

I think we need to adjust the path so that people can have or get to a meaningful existence. UBI is a start, not perfect, but it addresses the income inequality and automation. I doubt it will get implemented before its too late, but one can hope.

 

[amsterdamjade]

I will not go to the self check out at grocery stores. Hire humans you corporate pigs

That’s what 15 dollars an hour minimum wage has done.