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She was late and she missed a class, so unlike your previous post, she was late in addition to missing a class, so it wasn't solely because she missed class as you had said earlier.

Team rules are set, and that is what happens if you violate them.

You are assuming that the tweet refers to 2 separate incidents. The way I read it is that because she was late Evina missed a class. Otherwise, I would expect some explanation of her lateness, i.e. late for practice. late for the game bus, etc.
 
I don't think Tennessee will object. If they do, the series with UConn will be short-lived. They need UConn on their schedule far more than the reverse. I don't think they are THAT dumb.
IMO,UT is almost certain to object. I do not see UT needing the series with UConn more than UConn but I do think that series is good for WBB, it is a game fans will want to see. I just wish eligibility for transfers was more straightforward and easy to understand.
 
You are assuming that the tweet refers to 2 separate incidents. The way I read it is that because she was late Evina missed a class. Otherwise, I would expect some explanation of her lateness, i.e. late for practice. late for the game bus, etc.
Well it is set up as two separate incidents, becuase she arrived late AND she missed class, rather than missed class BECAUSE she was late, but regardless it was just one small incident and it won't happen at UConn. All we can do is hope the waiver gets approved sooner than later!
 
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The idea that Evina “torched the coach” is a bit overstated. Immediately following a tough 1st round loss in the NCAA’s, at the end of a difficult season, a reporter stuck a mic in front of Evina and asked an inappropriate question, to which Evina mumbled a response about “changes to the coaching staff,” then immediately shut down the conversation when the reporter asked a follow up question.
It was even more tepid than that. Her exact words were: "I just think off-the-court stuff ... steps need to be taken with our staff ...".

I don't think it was a good idea on her part, but to hear others talk you'd think she had started chanting "Fire Holly!" with the crazed vehemence of VolNation.
 
You are assuming that the tweet refers to 2 separate incidents. The way I read it is that because she was late Evina missed a class. Otherwise, I would expect some explanation of her lateness, i.e. late for practice. late for the game bus, etc.
agreed... MANY times College Professors make it very clear to their students if they are "late" they are NOT welcome to join the class... even to the point of the doors being locked from entering. SO... Late could very well be the cause of Missing the class. :cool: We don't know the full story and should just let it go while WE WAIT for a decision. :confused:
 
agreed... MANY times College Professors make it very clear to their students if they are "late" they are NOT welcome to join the class... even to the point of the doors being locked from entering. SO... Late could very well be the cause of Missing the class. :cool: We don't know the full story and should just let it go while WE WAIT for a decision. :confused:
I do recall several college professors
back in the day, typically ones having tenure, that if you strolled into their class late, you were risking THE WRATH OF GOD! :eek:
 
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Well it is set up as two separate incidents, becuase she arrived late AND she missed class, rather than missed class BECAUSE she was late, but regardless it was just one small incident and it won't happen at UConn. All we can do is hope the waiver gets approved sooner than later!
Clearly, there have been academic issues with a very small number of UConn WBB players. De’Janae Boykin comes to mind. The difference being that UConn never made a public announcement about the issue and never required the player to issue a public apology like TN. In Boykin’s case, she never suited up and never was allowed to sit on the bench, even in street clothes.
 
Regarding whether the Tenn AD will object to EW’s waiver (they don’t need to support it), I don’t think they will.
New coach, new attitude. Plus they finally got a game with UConn, no point in pissing us off just to be a jerk to Westbrook. I'm guessing they won't object.
 
I do recall several college professors
back in the day, typically ones having tenure, that if you strolled into their class late, you were risking THE WRATH OF GOD! :eek:
Me too, we had a chemistry professor at State who had a policy, if the door is closed do not come in. One guy came in anyway, the prof was at the board and asked “who is the SOB who came in late.” The reply was “whose the SOB that wants to know”. He stayed!
 
This all seems crazy. I had a biochemistry class where I went to four meetings. First, 2 exams, and the last. I got As on the exam and an A in the class. If she was doing well in the class, who cares.
 
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This all seems crazy. I had a biochemistry class where I went to four meetings. First, 2 exams, and the last. I got As on the exam and an A in the class. If she was doing well in the class, who cares.
I have to echo Cat's comment. what's crazy is that anyone is even talking about this. The issue is ancient history. An internal team matter of rules and discipline (which Chris and Geno deal with all the time). We don't know the details and never will. An extended discussion will not change understanding or change anything else other than increase factless speculation.
 
I get that schools have to monitor academic performance including grades, attendance and so forth. But the idea that a player would be suspended for missing one class appears overly rigid to me. There are numerous reasons why someone would miss a class. Perhaps they had a test in another class that they deemed more important and were studying intensely for it. Perhaps they just didn't feel well. If absence from class was frequent, then yes, by all means, suspend a player. But I think it is also appropriate to treat college players like adults, until they demonstrate otherwise.
Actually, this language is usually contained in you scholarship and standing agreement that the student signs. Studying for another final might be an excused absence if stated prior to skipping. Coming up with the excuse after missing said class-verboten! Also, having athletes skip classes who are on full scholarship does not present a great perspective and would cause the coach and AD to answer unnecessary questions. I am ok with this being a requirement and probably would have helped me when I was playing a sport in college.
One of my sons did not have it as a requirement and one did. One has. 3.35 GPA and the other doesn’t. Both are athletes whose schools behave differently on oversight. The one with the rigid rules has a higher GPA. So yeah, I am good with the rules! ;)
 
This all seems crazy. I had a biochemistry class where I went to four meetings. First, 2 exams, and the last. I got As on the exam and an A in the class. If she was doing well in the class, who cares.
If she's doing well on the court I suppose you wouldn't have a problem with her missing practice too???
 
I get that schools have to monitor academic performance including grades, attendance and so forth. But the idea that a player would be suspended for missing one class appears overly rigid to me. There are numerous reasons why someone would miss a class. Perhaps they had a test in another class that they deemed more important and were studying intensely for it. Perhaps they just didn't feel well. If absence from class was frequent, then yes, by all means, suspend a player. But I think it is also appropriate to treat college players like adults, until they demonstrate otherwise.
Of course you are assuming we know all that is known about that absence from class. Rarely is that the case. But you know that. So If they know something we don't (a given) it is likely she was treated as an adult who had responsibilities she failed to meet. But that too you knew.
Not taking you to task with the ( You knew/know) just pointing out for others that you did know/knew.
There is a fine line when dealing with teens/post teens/ under 28 kids about how much rope do you give them, it's and individual thing. When the feet are burnt rope too burns that a bit much.
 
It was even more tepid than that. Her exact words were: "I just think off-the-court stuff ... steps need to be taken with our staff ...".
I don't think it was a good idea on her part, but to hear others talk you'd think she had started chanting "Fire Holly!" with the crazed vehemence of VolNation.
I can't speak to the crazed vehemence of VolNation but there was a more specific follow up question to Evina remark about "steps with staff". Specific in that she was also about Holly return as coach. I'm not sure why some are determined to ignore the original answer or her answer to that specific follow up question. Neither (steps with the TN staff or Holly's return) was appropriate for ANY player to comment on.
 
If she's doing well on the court I suppose you wouldn't have a problem with her missing practice too???
Who in their right mind would punish a STAR? The one who scores, plays defense, knows the system/plays? If she leaves so does the franchise. This ain't 1842--it's modern times when we accept the judgement of our STARS.
 
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I can't speak to the crazed vehemence of VolNation but there was a more specific follow up question to Evina remark about "steps with staff". Specific in that she was also about Holly return as coach. I'm not sure why some are determined to ignore the original answer or her answer to that specific follow up question. Neither (steps with the TN staff or Holly's return) was appropriate for ANY player to comment on.

When asked what problems the team was facing Westbrook stated " I just think off the court stuff, um, steps needs to be taken with our staff and just overall with this team". When pressed with the questions "Are there problems off the court with this team?" and " Do you expect Warlick will be back as HC?" Westbrook stated "I won't say" and "I don't know". She did NOTHING wrong!
 
When asked what problems the team was facing Westbrook stated " I just think off the court stuff, um, steps needs to be taken with our staff and just overall with this team". When pressed with the questions "Are there problems off the court with this team?" and " Do you expect Warlick will be back as HC?" Westbrook stated "I won't say" and "I don't know". She did NOTHING wrong!
Lobo had a big issue with it, which means there was something wrong about it, as did Landers.

“Lobo weighed in Sunday, saying she was “a little bit surprised that (Westbrook) brought the coaching staff into it.”

“Evina Westbrook is only a sophomore, but I was taken aback at her statement introducing the prospect of the coaches,” said Lobo, an Olympic gold medalist who played at Connecticut and in the WNBA, “because she’s been wearing that Tennessee uniform for two years. Holly Warlick has given 38 years of her life to that program. I thought she deserved a little bit more.”

Fellow analyst Andy Landers, the former longtime Georgia coach, agreed with Lobo.

“I think there’s people in place at the University of Tennessee who are capable, qualified and charged with making decisions as it relates to people’s employment,” Landers said. “Those aren’t the players. That’s the administration at the University of Tennessee. I think players step a little bit over the line when they try to make those kinds of decisions.”

 
I think there should be a hard and fine line about the waivers, particularly about issues with a coach, but unfortunately -- there aren't.

I am just concerned that it will end up like the ones from Ole Miss. After a coaching change, two players transferred, the better one to a rival school across the country from their home, and the less good one just to another school extremely close to home. The better player going to the rival school on the other side of the country was not the one whose waiver was granted -- I hope we see more clarification. Plus, we don't know when Mimi sent hers in, but Evina's was surely after the made the rules more strict.

Violating team rules is violating team rules regardless of what it was -- especially when she knew she would be letting the team down on their biggest game of the year. Almost 100% sure we won't see that again.
Not sure of the two players from Ole Miss but I assume one was Promise Taylor, I know a number of players transferred from Ole Miss when the coach was fired and I do not believe any were granted a waiver, not sure of the name but I know the girl that transferred to Alabama was also denied a waiver. I think Ole Miss did not agree with the waivers and that was enough for the NCAA to decline the waiver.
 
Not sure of the two players from Ole Miss but I assume one was Promise Taylor, I know a number of players transferred from Ole Miss when the coach was fired and I do not believe any were granted a waiver, not sure of the name but I know the girl that transferred to Alabama was also denied a waiver. I think Ole Miss did not agree with the waivers and that was enough for the NCAA to decline the waiver.
The girl who went to Troy’s was granted.
 
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Lobo had a big issue with it, which means there was something wrong about it, as did Landers.

“Lobo weighed in Sunday, saying she was “a little bit surprised that (Westbrook) brought the coaching staff into it.”

“Evina Westbrook is only a sophomore, but I was taken aback at her statement introducing the prospect of the coaches,” said Lobo, an Olympic gold medalist who played at Connecticut and in the WNBA, “because she’s been wearing that Tennessee uniform for two years. Holly Warlick has given 38 years of her life to that program. I thought she deserved a little bit more.”

Fellow analyst Andy Landers, the former longtime Georgia coach, agreed with Lobo.

“I think there’s people in place at the University of Tennessee who are capable, qualified and charged with making decisions as it relates to people’s employment,” Landers said. “Those aren’t the players. That’s the administration at the University of Tennessee. I think players step a little bit over the line when they try to make those kinds of decisions.”

That was their opinion. Did they say what Westbrook should have answered? That reporter was trying to make a story instead of reporting one.
 
Lobo had a big issue with it, which means there was something wrong about it, as did Landers.

“Lobo weighed in Sunday, saying she was “a little bit surprised that (Westbrook) brought the coaching staff into it.”

“Evina Westbrook is only a sophomore, but I was taken aback at her statement introducing the prospect of the coaches,” said Lobo, an Olympic gold medalist who played at Connecticut and in the WNBA, “because she’s been wearing that Tennessee uniform for two years. Holly Warlick has given 38 years of her life to that program. I thought she deserved a little bit more.”

Fellow analyst Andy Landers, the former longtime Georgia coach, agreed with Lobo.

“I think there’s people in place at the University of Tennessee who are capable, qualified and charged with making decisions as it relates to people’s employment,” Landers said. “Those aren’t the players. That’s the administration at the University of Tennessee. I think players step a little bit over the line when they try to make those kinds of decisions.”


Sort of a patronizing viewpoint. Players have no right to an opinion? Landers' viewpoint would suggest that all of those players who have been physically and emotionally abused at a number of programs across the country, including North Carolina, have no right to speak out, have no right to have their opinions heard.

Clearly Westbrook understood that Tennessee was a dysfunctional team, and that the coaches were the problem. Soon thereafter the university fired Warlick.

College athletes deserve more respect, even when giving voice to inconvenient truths.
 
When asked what problems the team was facing Westbrook stated " I just think off the court stuff, um, steps needs to be taken with our staff and just overall with this team". When pressed with the questions "Are there problems off the court with this team?" and " Do you expect Warlick will be back as HC?" Westbrook stated "I won't say" and "I don't know". She did NOTHING wrong!
As I wrote on March 23 2019 before Evina decided to come to UCONN and in the process apparently becoming "perfect" in the eyes of some. She did nothing right in this situation.

I really like Evina but I'm not sure she should be the one calling for "staff" changes after the day she had today.
 
As I wrote on March 23 2019 before Evina decided to come to UCONN and in the process apparently becoming "perfect" in the eyes of some. She did nothing right in this situation.

and that's one reason I'll be a bit surprised if the NCAA grants her waiver request................I don't think the NCAA wants to "reward" players for speaking out against their coaches unless unlawful actions have taken place..........
 
and that's one reason I'll be a bit surprised if the NCAA grants her waiver request......I don't think the NCAA wants to "reward" players for speaking out against their coaches unless unlawful actions have taken place.....
Doubtful that the NCAA cares about what Evina said, even more doubtful it will have any impact on the waiver request.
 
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