Week 8 - Dec 25 to 31
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Anyone watch the LSU/Jacksonville game? Jacksonville had 39 fouls called on them and 3 starters fouled out!! I had to do a double take. LSU had 25 themselves but no DQs.
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So true. I watched a couple of USC's games this year and they had a better balanced in scoring and shot better. But you have games where you can't miss and games where you can't make a bucket. They play again in a few weeks.
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I will definitely be checking YouTube for that game. 39 foul calls?
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Great posts, @visitingcock and @Darwin. A lot to think about in them, especially that conference play will shake some teams out of their current rankings. I’m wondering about Baylor and tOSU.
I agree that Baylor doesn’t have the size or the depth to make a deep run in March. But I respect Coach Collin a lot and she could engineer some surprises. That said, I doubt they could have defeated Texas with Rori healthy. The depth/size issues resemble UConn’s and they have a couple of key small guards in Andrews and Walker, and an intense but undersized frontcourt with Dre, Fontleroy and Littlepage-Buggs. Of course, there’s no one quite on the level of Aaliyah Aubrey or Paige at the core of their lineup. But coach Collin’s choices down the road may be interesting to compare to what Geno does.
tOSU is also an interesting case and I am intrigued by their struggles. Sheldon is playing her heart out and has had some monster games. But the loss of Mikesell is significant for them. Also, McMahon had a tremendous freshman season, but it relied mainly on great intensity on both ends of the court and a rather limited offensive skill set. She’s built for a transition-style offense like tOSU. Her main offensive move is to bull her way to the rim, typically with a reverse spin to the left. Michigan defended against this. If more teams can weather the storm of her initial onslaught, she (and tOSU) can struggle.
Michigan defeated them with a not too stellar lineup by drawing several offensive fouls including two in quick succession on McMahon in the first quarter. There was some irony in seeing Michigan defeat tOSU with defense but relying only on halfcourt defense. They also limited Thierry’s touches.
I am also struck by how Mikulasikova is not always a factor in games. TOSU often plays a short lineup for their press and she sits out for stretches. But I notice that she seems to have gotten into noticeably better shape since last season. If her conditioning has improved enough, she might be on the floor for more of the press that could be significant. I really didn’t expect Michigan to have an answer for tOSU’s offense. On the positive side, it looks like McMahon is trying to develop her midrange shooting. If she succeeds, tOSU may overcome these early season struggles. She may be the key piece of the puzzle for them.
Sorry for the rambling comment. My thoughts on tOSU are still in process.
I agree that Baylor doesn’t have the size or the depth to make a deep run in March. But I respect Coach Collin a lot and she could engineer some surprises. That said, I doubt they could have defeated Texas with Rori healthy. The depth/size issues resemble UConn’s and they have a couple of key small guards in Andrews and Walker, and an intense but undersized frontcourt with Dre, Fontleroy and Littlepage-Buggs. Of course, there’s no one quite on the level of Aaliyah Aubrey or Paige at the core of their lineup. But coach Collin’s choices down the road may be interesting to compare to what Geno does.
tOSU is also an interesting case and I am intrigued by their struggles. Sheldon is playing her heart out and has had some monster games. But the loss of Mikesell is significant for them. Also, McMahon had a tremendous freshman season, but it relied mainly on great intensity on both ends of the court and a rather limited offensive skill set. She’s built for a transition-style offense like tOSU. Her main offensive move is to bull her way to the rim, typically with a reverse spin to the left. Michigan defended against this. If more teams can weather the storm of her initial onslaught, she (and tOSU) can struggle.
Michigan defeated them with a not too stellar lineup by drawing several offensive fouls including two in quick succession on McMahon in the first quarter. There was some irony in seeing Michigan defeat tOSU with defense but relying only on halfcourt defense. They also limited Thierry’s touches.
I am also struck by how Mikulasikova is not always a factor in games. TOSU often plays a short lineup for their press and she sits out for stretches. But I notice that she seems to have gotten into noticeably better shape since last season. If her conditioning has improved enough, she might be on the floor for more of the press that could be significant. I really didn’t expect Michigan to have an answer for tOSU’s offense. On the positive side, it looks like McMahon is trying to develop her midrange shooting. If she succeeds, tOSU may overcome these early season struggles. She may be the key piece of the puzzle for them.
Sorry for the rambling comment. My thoughts on tOSU are still in process.
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Let’s “hypothocize” a bit Bone Dog. Say UCONN runs the conference slate. Then let’s look at two possibilities. First, they get the upset @ SC in Feb. I think that scenario gets the Huskies a one seed even with the 3 losses after knocking off the top team at home. Second, they play a close game @SC and lose, then UCONN ends the season with 4 losses, but is it still out of the realm of possibilities they are in play for a one seed? I ask because UCONN‘s sos is so high and even with 4 losses they might be in play if as expected there are no undefeated or maybe even 1-2 loss teams by seasons end. Something to ponder.
I don’t see UCONN getting through the tourney for another ship this year even if all that happens btw, the injury bug was brutal again as we know and the toll by seasons end will surface imo. But I can see the Huskies running through the conference and even pulling the upset at SC with a few breaks. If the game is close late in the 4th, Geno will duplicate last year’s strategy annd keep sending SC to the FT line, he knows their greatest weakness as he knows for all teams he plays. Anything after that is possible and why they play the games.
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My friend in Baton Rouge texted me that the Jacksonville coach got a double technical and was ejected.
Any game with nearly 70 foul calls has to be miserable and not enjoyable. That seems ridiculous all around. I'm sure fouls happened but nearly 70 fouls worth of calls? Doubt it.
Officiating in men and women basketball leave a lot to be desired these days
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The drama around all games and things LSU this season even against lowly ranked teams is going to come back and bite them against really good teams down the road, their psyche right now is being programmed wrong imo, this team will bust a gasket in games where things don’t go their way against great competition, which might be in the tourney but could surface earlier than that in the right environment.
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Oooh, I love "hypothocizing"! I'm right there with you on this speculation. Maybe I begin by comparing UConn's chances to tOSU's last year. They looked great early on, then went into a swoon when Sheldon was out, and finally made a run to the Elite 8, but could go no further. Their style of play is different, of course, but the path looks similar, and by the end they were running that press playing 5 for most of the game -- talk about conditioning! Then they ran into VPI and one little, high energy pg was enough to upend their chances. I know, others on VPI played well, but it was really about Aamoore almost single-handedly defeating the press.
So assuming we run the regular season table except for SC -- remember this means beating ND, too -- and head to the tournament with only 4 losses. That's a respectable record, though the team's weak spots will be apparent to the seeding committee. Last season, Dorka and Aaliyah were playing like gang-busters and Lou was heroic if a bit hobbled, and we'd just gotten a rusty, still recovering Azzi back and opposing teams worried about when she'd find her form and explode. What we didn't have was enough guard depth and Azzi never quite turned the corner in her comeback. If Azzi had comeback to her early season form -- if an incipient ACL injury wasn't lurking in her knee -- I think we'd have had as good a chance as Iowa to take the title, if not better.
Will only 4 losses be enough for the committee to give us a #1 seed? I don't think so unless others have tanked their seasons. I expect UCLA to dominate the PAC12 with Stanford Colorado and Utah trailing them. SC is a lock for a #1 seed. The committee wasn't willing to give LSU a #1 seed last season and if SC pounds them in conference play, they probably won't this season either. That means the other two #1 seeds could go to someone from the ACC, Big10 or the Big 12. So, Iowa, Indiana, Texas, NC St, VPI. Any or all of these teams could take a couple more losses. In fact, I half expect it for Iowa, Texas and NC St. But even if NC St takes 3 or 4 losses in conference play, they still beat us, so I think we lose that comparison. Same for Texas. And it's always possible that Stanford could get the last #1 seed before us even if they take 3 losses in conference. A decisive win over ND would help us out a lot in such a comparison.
And once we get to the tournament, what is possible? This season UConn is deep at guard and thin in the front court, so almost a reverse situation to last year. Geno always says you win titles with post play, but I'm not sure he's always right about that. Last season, the post-dominant teams lost and guard play took the title. I think we could conceivably beat SC -- once. But I don't see us doing it twice, And UCLA can be beaten, too. But I just don't see us making a title run if we have to face too many of these big-post teams in March. It's too high a hill to climb for our freshman, especially if Paige and Aaliyah wear themselves out in getting us there. If, on the other hand, SC and UCLA fall in upsets before we have to play them, we could well beat any other team in the country. I don't put anything past Paige's combination of grit and magic. Besides, that's how LSU won it last season. But the more likely scenario is that SC plays UCLA or some other 'big' team for the title.
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Hope springs eternal, as they say.
I'm less concerned about the seeding than I am about seeing the team improve and then find a way to peak in the tournament.
Last year, two #1 seeds lost in the 2nd round and the championship went to a #3 seed. A high seed will be small consolation if we lay another stinker in the 3rd round.
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I think as parity increases, 1 vs 2/3/4 seed gets less and less imperative by the year (granted its still a advantage). The women's game is starting to shift similar to how the mens NCAAT works and comes down to being healthy and clicking at the right time. The upsets you saw last year are something you will continue to see in future march madness brackets.
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There have been numerous games with an exorbitant number of fouls called. I believe the NCAA is trying to contain the excessive physicality which, as we all have seen, has been a noticeable trend over a number of years. Ultimately, the only way to curb the physicality is to blow the whistle and, if the players fail to adjust, continue to blow it.
Unless of course you're South Carolina, in which case you get to waltz into Cameron and only get called for 5 personal fouls all game.
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I was correct about Marquette
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The team that I can't understand at all how they're ranked is Florida State. Their best win is over Tennessee. They lost badly to Arkansas. They struggled to beat Florida and today they struggled at home to put away the cupcake Wake Forest, at home. Please get this team out of the top 25.
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Yeah... I was monitoring that score and couldn't believe Wake was playing them close. No offense @The deacon , but Wake will be playing at 6:30pm on the wednesday of the ACC tourney. Drop them and Chapel Hill, and add Davidson and fill-in-the-blank.
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Come on now, it's not like they got boat-raced by Clemson ... or struggled to get past Boston College
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Come on now, it's not like they got boat-raced by Clemson ... or struggled to get past Boston College
Thinking about retracting that Big Dog meme
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No nights off in the ACC.
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I give Hidalgo 29 points on 28 shots, since I refuse to count the meaningless 3-pointer at the buzzer with her team team down 8.
Wait—this just in: Ivey announced at the presser that they were petitioning the NCAA for a waiver to have the final 3-pointer count as 9 points. Legal experts say it could go either way. The ex-coach in the ACC Network studio says it's a really strong case.
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USC-UcLA : at least future games would be for Big 10 supremacy and will likely be televised on a real network.
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Only if its on the network Fox. I don't subscribe to the package that has the Big !0 Network or Fox Sports when I stream. I actually get to see the Pac 12 games. I'll miss the conference, the network, and their theme music.
Virginia looking better than I thought, lead NC St at the half. The closer you look at that roster, there is definitely some very talented kids on it. I know things for them have been fluctuating with kids in and out of lineups to injury.
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As part of the final installment of the Civil War series as conference rivals, the Oregon State Beavers ran away from the Oregon Ducks in the 2nd half. OSU shot 22% in the first half and trailed 23-15 at the break, and then outscored UO 47-18 in the second half.
What a frighteningly dysfunctional team Oregon has been this year. All I can think is that Mark Campbell must have been a very important piece of their success.
Oregon is now 9-5 overall and will be quite hard-pressed just to finish .500 on the year. The Oregon schools play 10 of their 18 conference regular season games against Stanford-UCLA-USC-Utah-Colorado.
What a frighteningly dysfunctional team Oregon has been this year. All I can think is that Mark Campbell must have been a very important piece of their success.
Oregon is now 9-5 overall and will be quite hard-pressed just to finish .500 on the year. The Oregon schools play 10 of their 18 conference regular season games against Stanford-UCLA-USC-Utah-Colorado.
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Ill played Indiana to 77-71
I think Graves days are numbered. They may give him one more year then pull the trigger next year if there isn't drastic improvement. I believe his contract runs through 25-26. Good recruiter but has been unable to maintain any type of success at Oregon since Sabrina left. Constant attrition of high end talent (who have all had success at their current schools)
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2029, per this article:
Oregon women's basketball coach Kelly Graves' new contract includes $1 million base salary
Graves' signed a lucrative new deal with UO in Christmas eve that runs through May 31, 2029
www.registerguard.com
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