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UCLA and Oregon are two talented, athletic teams, and the refs are taking over the game and ruining it. Let them play.
 
REB1094 said:
Iowa St and Oklahoma St are in a tight one with 6 minutes left

I think we’re rooting for OSU here. Both are currently Q1 wins but this would give OSU some breathing room (34 NET, top 50 is Q1 for neutral courts)
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Our game against OSU was at home so this was a good result; we want them in top 30
 
Gonzaga got some major referee assistance to beat BYU at home.

San Jose State may have landed a fatal blow to Utah State's at-large chances.
 
msgordon said:
Our game against OSU was at home so this was a good result; we want them in top 30
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Oh wow you’re right, not sure why I thought it was neutral lol

They jumped from 34 to 29 after the win, so they’re now Q1! UConn has 6 Q1 wins as of this morning
 
nelsonmuntz said:
A lot of bad or questionable losses today:

Oregon State beats USC, which was in decent shape for an at-large but keeps picking up bad losses.

Tennessee loses at home to Missouri. Tennessee lost to Vandy earlier in the week.

Kentucky lost to Georgia.

Rutgers lost its second in a row.

Wisconsin lost to Nebraska and isn't even on the bubble anymore.

Kansas State may be turning into a pumpkin, losing to Texas Tech, making it three losses of its last four games.

Iowa State lost to Okie State, making it 4 losses in its last 5 games.

Duke lost, which is always fun.

Clemson has been exposed as a paper tiger, losing to UNC and making it 3 in a row.


At the rate the Top 25 is losing, there will be multiple 10 loss teams in the Top 25 at season's end.
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nelsonmuntz said:
#4 Arizona loses at Stanford.
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nelsonmuntz said:
Gonzaga got some major referee assistance to beat BYU at home.

San Jose State may have landed a fatal blow to Utah State's at-large chances.
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This is why I'm not concerned when UConn demolishes Marquette and loses a coin-flip game at Creighton in the same week. Spin a wheel, throw a dart at the board to figure out a Final Four. But we've got a shot.
 
zls44 said:
This is why I'm not concerned when UConn demolishes Marquette and loses a coin-flip game at Creighton in the same week. Spin a wheel, throw a dart at the board to figure out a Final Four. But we've got a shot.
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Exactly. So much parity in college basketball. In games between good teams, home courts are the difference makers win or lose. But anything is possible on neutral courts. Should be a wild ride in MSG and the big dance.
 
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zls44 said:
This is why I'm not concerned when UConn demolishes Marquette and loses a coin-flip game at Creighton in the same week. Spin a wheel, throw a dart at the board to figure out a Final Four. But we've got a shot.
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The teams that make the Final Four will most likely be the ones that had the easiest path to the Final Four. UConn's top teams that made the Final Four played a 10 seed (Gonzaga 1999), an 8 seed (Alabama 2004), a 3 seed (Missouri 2009), a 5 seed (Arizona 2011) and a 4 seed (Michigan State 2014). UConn didn't have to play the highest potential seed in their region to make the Final Four in those years. Arguably, the 2014 run was against the highest seeds of any of UConn's Final Four runs, which made sense since UConn was a 7 seed that year. UConn only played the 2nd highest potential seed once in that stretch. Places where UConn got stopped on its way to the Final Four: 1990 (Duke 3 seed), 1995 (UCLA 1 seed), 1998 (UNC 1 seed), 2002 (Maryland 1 seed), and of course, 2006 (George Mason 11 seed). UConn played really well in both the 1995 Final Eight and the 2002 Final Eight, but the opponent was just too good. You know the best way to avoid playing other top teams before the Final Eight? Get a higher seeding.

5 or fewer teams of every seed 5 or worse have made the Final Four in the history of the NCAA Tournament. 13 4's, 17 3's, 30 2's and 59 1's have made the Final Four. Part of that is that the higher ranked teams are generally better, but a big part is that it is hard to beat a lot of good teams in a row, so the further a team can go before having to face top competition, the better.
 
REB1094 said:
Iowa St and Oklahoma St are in a tight one with 6 minutes left

I think we’re rooting for OSU here. Both are currently Q1 wins but this would give OSU some breathing room (34 NET, top 50 is Q1 for neutral courts)
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That road win actually jumped the OSU win to Q1. It was Q2 before since that was a home win. It was a really good result for us.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
The teams that make the Final Four will most likely be the ones that had the easiest path to the Final Four. UConn's top teams that made the Final Four played a 10 seed (Gonzaga 1999), an 8 seed (Alabama 2004), a 3 seed (Missouri 2009), a 5 seed (Arizona 2011) and a 4 seed (Michigan State 2014). UConn didn't have to play the highest potential seed in their region to make the Final Four in those years. Arguably, the 2014 run was against the highest seeds of any of UConn's Final Four runs, which made sense since UConn was a 7 seed that year. UConn only played the 2nd highest potential seed once in that stretch. Places where UConn got stopped on its way to the Final Four: 1990 (Duke 3 seed), 1995 (UCLA 1 seed), 1998 (UNC 1 seed), 2002 (Maryland 1 seed), and of course, 2006 (George Mason 11 seed). UConn played really well in both the 1995 Final Eight and the 2002 Final Eight, but the opponent was just too good. You know the best way to avoid playing other top teams before the Final Eight? Get a higher seeding.

5 or fewer teams of every seed 5 or worse have made the Final Four in the history of the NCAA Tournament. 13 4's, 17 3's, 30 2's and 59 1's have made the Final Four. Part of that is that the higher ranked teams are generally better, but a big part is that it is hard to beat a lot of good teams in a row, so the further a team can go before having to face top competition, the better.
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I don't think that it's the seeding per se - it's the matchups in terms of the way the opponent matches up strength and weakness wise. Give us a neutral court and a good matchup and we'll be tough to beat.

The Big East started slowly (other than us) in non-conference play and since conference play started, the Big East has really come on strongly. So, the conference is eating its own but I think there'll be several tough "outs" come the big dance (hopefully including us).

What has anyone seen over the past week that makes one think that we can't compete at a high level? We blew out Marquette at home and played petty much an even game with Creighton on their court. Steel makes steel stronger.

Keeping the faith!
 
nelsonmuntz said:
A lot of bad or questionable losses today:

Oregon State beats USC, which was in decent shape for an at-large but keeps picking up bad losses.

Tennessee loses at home to Missouri. Tennessee lost to Vandy earlier in the week.

Kentucky lost to Georgia.

Rutgers lost its second in a row.

Wisconsin lost to Nebraska and isn't even on the bubble anymore.

Kansas State may be turning into a pumpkin, losing to Texas Tech, making it three losses of its last four games.

Iowa State lost to Okie State, making it 4 losses in its last 5 games.

Duke lost, which is always fun.

Clemson has been exposed as a paper tiger, losing to UNC and making it 3 in a row.


At the rate the Top 25 is losing, there will be multiple 10 loss teams in the Top 25 at season's end.
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And down goes Purdue!
(In Evanston, to Northwestern)
 
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ClifSpliffy said:
something in the air today (this season). soon to be back in the rankings fau, had to go to ot to win at home. they did. 23-2.
mr g had 7 dimes. of course he led both teams. clutch cargo.

and now, he's 3/1 a/to.
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Your hype is lively enough for me to take look after each time you post on Jalen.

The 3-1 assist-to-turnover ratio is the real deal, and no small thing, but you puff up his performance in nearly every other dimension too far beyond reality to match your rhetoric.

FAU deserves high credit for being 7-0 in games decided by 5 or fewer points, including winning five such games in a row about a month ago. They know how to win, which is enviable.

The team has 9 guys in rotation, with 7 above 20 minutes per game. I'm glad you're enjoying their success.
 
Hans Sprungfeld said:
Your hype is lively enough for me to take look after each time you post on Jalen.

The 3-1 assist-to-turnover ratio is the real deal, and no small thing, but you puff up his performance in nearly every other dimension too far beyond reality to match your rhetoric.

FAU deserves high credit for being 7-0 in games decided by 5 or fewer points, including winning five such games in a row about a month ago. They know how to win, which is enviable.

The team has 9 guys in rotation, with 7 above 20 minutes per game. I'm glad you're enjoying their success.
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Good for Jalen.

What's the quality of the opponents?
 
Hans Sprungfeld said:
Your hype is lively enough for me to take look after each time you post on Jalen.

The 3-1 assist-to-turnover ratio is the real deal, and no small thing, but you puff up his performance in nearly every other dimension too far beyond reality to match your rhetoric.

FAU deserves high credit for being 7-0 in games decided by 5 or fewer points, including winning five such games in a row about a month ago. They know how to win, which is enviable.

The team has 9 guys in rotation, with 7 above 20 minutes per game. I'm glad you're enjoying their success.
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all ur stuff lately sounds like ur practicing to be a preacher. u should visit my pal in Bport, who runs a preacher school. he guarantees that enrollees will be getting a new cadillac within one year of graduation.

the next time u provide a cite, or link, will be the first time. ever. ergo, mebbe u shud consider hot air balloon school as well.
puff dis.
23-2.
 
ClifSpliffy said:
something in the air today (this season). soon to be back in the rankings fau, had to go to ot to win at home. they did. 23-2.
mr g had 7 dimes. of course he led both teams. clutch cargo.

and now, he's 3/1 a/to.
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' soon to be back in the rankings fau,'

#25. that was fast.
 
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ClifSpliffy said:
all ur stuff lately sounds like ur practicing to be a preacher. u should visit my pal in Bport, who runs a preacher school. he guarantees that enrollees will be getting a new cadillac within one year of graduation.

the next time u provide a cite, or link, will be the first time. ever. ergo, mebbe u shud consider hot air balloon school as well.
puff dis.
23-2.
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I sought to be polite and accentuate the positive, ergo, Jalen Gafney's admirable 3-1 assist-to-turnover ratio, and FAU's late-December to mid-January string of 5 consecutive victories of 5 points or fewer, while UConn was in seeming freefall.

The last time I looked, Jalen's stat lines fell short of the rhetoric in your largely data-free hype posts. Still, I saw no reason to offer contradictory details that might throw shade on a player and a good guy who has re-potted himself in fertile soil, and a program that has a story to tell.

Florida Atlantic has 9 players in solid rotation, including 7 playing more than 20 minutes per game. Jalen's minutes per game are in the middle of this pack at 23.3 per. Four guys play more, and four guys play less. You've written differently, though it's a pretty benign misrepresentation. I chose it , to do Jalen no harm while reflecting accurately on you, and I'm content to leave things there.

If anyone else is curious, they can take a quickly-located look at team and player stats in a bunch of paces. The Yahoo Sports app gave me a good listing of categories that apply across a team's top 6 scorers within a single screen shot. You've likely got your sources, and I sure don't mind if you want to share them.

Past that, I see no healthy reason to follow full suit on the way you've angled things personally toward me, though you sure do seem to be casting an invitation for me to do so. Some might say our mismatched approaches give you an unfair advantage in scoring a certain kind of points. But I'll just pass on the preacher school recommendation; it feels kinda dog-whistle-y to me, in addition to not being anything I'm after.
 
zls44 said:
This is why I'm not concerned when UConn demolishes Marquette and loses a coin-flip game at Creighton in the same week. Spin a wheel, throw a dart at the board to figure out a Final Four. But we've got a shot.
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I would normally agree with this except about our Jackson conundrum.

People keep wanting us to play like we did in the non-conference schedule.

Guess what? We will never be able to. Why? Because they were not defending us as they do now.

Every coach has the textbook on how to defend us. Have Jackson’s man play a one man zone and either double Sanogo, clog Newton’s lane, or help on Hawkins.

The margin for error when we are playing against that is so small.
 
Giddyup5 said:
I would normally agree with this except about our Jackson conundrum.

People keep wanting us to play like we did in the non-conference schedule.

Guess what? We will never be able to. Why? Because they were not defending us as they do now.

Every coach has the textbook on how to defend us. Have Jackson’s man play a one man zone and either double Sanogo, clog Newton’s lane, or help on Hawkins.

The margin for error when we are playing against that is so small.
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But counterpoint, we just played our best game of the season last week against Marquette as well. We definitely have to adjust the offense a bit, but I'm not convinced it's as drastic as some people are making it out to be.

If Jackson plays like he did that game and just cuts out the bad shots he took against Creighton it's a whole different offense. Which isn't to say he shouldn't be at 20-25 minutes instead of 25-30, I just think there's small tweaks to be made that can lead to seeing great offense again
 
navery12 said:
But counterpoint, we just played our best game of the season last week against Marquette as well. We definitely have to adjust the offense a bit, but I'm not convinced it's as drastic as some people are making it out to be.

If Jackson plays like he did that game and just cuts out the bad shots he took against Creighton it's a whole different offense. Which isn't to say he shouldn't be at 20-25 minutes instead of 25-30, I just think there's small tweaks to be made that can lead to seeing great offense again
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I want to believe that.

But Marquette did not sell out like X and Creighton did.

I hope your right.
 
Watching Miami vs NC and at halftime ESPN did a bit on the ACC and stated that the ACC is a pretty good conference this year, and you can't just a conference on Duke and NC only cause the other teams are very good.
 
AzHusky said:
Watching Miami vs NC and at halftime ESPN did a bit on the ACC and stated that the ACC is a pretty good conference this year, and you can't just a conference on Duke and NC only cause the other teams are very good.
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Watching this game- Carolina is really bad....getting run off their home court
 
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AzHusky said:
Watching Miami vs NC and at halftime ESPN did a bit on the ACC and stated that the ACC is a pretty good conference this year, and you can't just a conference on Duke and NC only cause the other teams are very good.
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Did they say which teams?
 
It's the time of the year where my focus pans back quite a bit to see a bit of the landscape.

Just realized that after a year away recovering from a knee injury, Baylor's Jonathan Tchamwa Tchatchoua is back. Baylor currently has the #1 rated offense and an incredible backcourt, but JTT will help solidify Baylor's biggest weakness: interior defense (opponents shoot 52.2 2p%).

Baylor is one of my tournament sleepers.
 
Baylor/WVU is a slugfest so far. Refs definitely letting them play, super entertaining
 
Speaking of other games and other teams

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'They don't have that one guy': Behind enemy lines on the Big East, Pac-12, SEC and more

What are coaches thinking about the top teams? Part 2 of Behind Enemy Lines includes more insight from top hoop minds.
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UConn

“They really don’t have a guard who can break you down and make everybody else better. Tristen Newton has always been a scorer, so this is an adjustment for him. I wish I had an answer for you on Jordan Hawkins. He’s an NBA player. Run him off the line. Make him make tough 2s all day long. With Adama Sanogo you have to wall him up and push him off the sweet spot, make him take tough 2s. He’s a really good passer in the post. Donovan Clingan is huge, but if you can push him off the block, it’s easier to guard him. The weakness in their defense is they foul a lot, more than anybody in the Big East. Teams have had success attacking them off of ball reversals

We knew we didn’t have a G that can create. We knew Hawkins was good. Didn’t know sanogo was a really good passer in the post, That’s a head scratcher. Wow we foul too much.
 
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