Was Edsall that good or is Pasqualoni that bad?

[whaler11]

Could do worse. Holtz walked into South Bend and beat the Irish. Can't imagine P or Edsall doing that.

Yeah we have worse than Holtz now!

Were you making a joke as according to the internet P never won in South Bend?

I struggle to think of a game where a team won on the road being as outplayed as USF was at Notre Dame.

 

[Colt45]

If given the time at Maryland, which I think he will get, randy will turn Maryland into a consistently good/great program every year. The guys he is bringing in are far more talented than anyone he brought in at uconn. As stated before, he can develop talent and with the caliber of players he is getting it will be interesting to see how they do in the coming years.

 

[whaler11]

If given the time at Maryland, which I think he will get, randy will turn Maryland into a consistently good/great program every year. The guys he is bringing in are far more talented than anyone he brought in at uconn. As stated before, he can develop talent and with the caliber of players he is getting it will be interesting to see how they do in the coming years.

I like Edsall and agree that Maryland will be fine, but he needed Locksley to raise the recruiting level.

He'll get them to 8-9 wins and stick there - like Fridgen with better academics.

 

[SAMCRO]

To answer the OP, yes Edsall was good here, and yes P has been that bad here.

 

[Colt45]

A big difference between the two, Edsall got rid of his OC after one year because he wasn't satisfied with his performance and replaced him with a recruiting juggernaut. P is sticking with his incompetent buddy and we will all find out where it will get him.

 

[noeynox]

I like Edsall and agree that Maryland will be fine, but he needed Locksley to raise the recruiting level.

He'll get them to 8-9 wins and stick there - like Fridgen with better academics.

I really don't get this. UMD is having worse attendance issues than us. Maybe not in total numbers but definately in capacity filled. The amount of empty seats seen on TV at their games is staggering. Maybe he wins enough this year to stick around and benefit from the attendance bump from their move to the BiG, but every thing I read on their boards, their fans collectively hate him more than we hate P.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

Yeah we have worse than Holtz now!

Were you making a joke as according to the internet P never won in South Bend?

I struggle to think of a game where a team won on the road being as outplayed as USF was at Notre Dame.

Yes it was a joke. They're not all gold obviously.

 

[noeynox]

A big difference between the two, Edsall got rid of his OC after one year because he wasn't satisfied with his performance and replaced him with a recruiting juggernaut. P is sticking with his incompetent buddy and we will all find out where it will get him.

Except that clearly looked like the AD's call. Edsall did whatever he wanted here including being indignant toward the media. In his short time at UMD he has been humbled both by the media and by his boss/AD. He did a good job here, but the idea that he will make Maryland "Great" i find laughable. As a coach he has shown nothing to signify "greatness" as a coach. When I think of coaches who have done "Great Jobs", I think of Brian Kelly, Bill Snyder, Chip Kelly, Brian Peterson, I certainly don't think of Edsall, though he did do a "great job" with our transition.

 

[whaler11]

I really don't get this. UMD is having worse attendance issues than us. Maybe not in total numbers but definately in capacity filled. The amount of empty seats seen on TV at their games is staggering. Maybe he wins enough this year to stick around and benefit from the attendance bump from their move to the BiG, but every thing I read on their boards, their fans collectively hate him more than we hate P.

Yeah, the fans hate him - but I think the team turns the corner next year. They were 2 plays from 6-6 this year and that was with the third, fourth and LB quarterbacks.

If he gets to 7 next year with the players Lockley brings in it will settle down.

 

[Colt45]

Maryland fans have changed their view of him. Everything I have read on their boards this year have been positive and there is excitement for next year. With a guy like Stefon Diggs, who has the potential to be the best WR is the country before he leaves, how can you not be optimistic? Their recruiting class is bordering top 25 for the second straight year. They probably wont have to play a linebacker at QB next year. They have a lot more to look forward to than we do.

 

[whaler11]

Except that clearly looked like the AD's call. Edsall did whatever he wanted here including being indignant toward the media. In his short time at UMD he has been humbled both by the media and by his boss/AD. He did a good job here, but the idea that he will make Maryland "Great" i find laughable. As a coach he has shown nothing to signify "greatness" as a coach. When I think of coaches who have done "Great Jobs", I think of Brian Kelly, Bill Snyder, Chip Kelly, Brian Peterson, I certainly don't think of Edsall, though he did do a "great job" with our transition.

Yeah that wasn't his call. He's not Brian or Chip Kelly or Snyder or Peterson but neither are 100 other FBS coaches.

Until someone else can do a better job here than Edsall did - I think you have to respect what he did - because contrary to what people looking through blue lenses think this isn't an easy place to win.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

Yeah, the fans hate him - but I think the team turns the corner next year. They were 2 plays from 6-6 this year and that was with the third, fourth and LB quarterbacks.

If he gets to 7 next year with the players Lockley brings in it will settle down.

No bowl and he's likely gone. I don't think they go into the B1G with him as coach after 3 losing seasons. Better win next year.

 

[noeynox]

Maybe its the eternal optomist in me for all things UConn, but I think with Whitmer having played a whole year at this level, we turn the corner if we have somone other than Deleone coordinating the offense and the blocking schemes.

I mean we were a few plays from having a better record ourselves. You are what your record says you are. We are 10-14, post Edsall and he is 6-18, at UMD.

 

[whaler11]

No bowl and he's likely gone. I don't think they go into the B1G with him as coach after 3 losing seasons. Better win next year.

No doubt. Don't know who they play but no bowl and he's done. At least we'll have a home game next year between two guys clawing to keep their jobs.

 

[noeynox]

Yeah that wasn't his call. He's not Brian or Chip Kelly or Snyder or Peterson but neither are 100 other FBS coaches.

Until someone else can do a better job here than Edsall did - I think you have to respect what he did - because contrary to what people looking through blue lenses think this isn't an easy place to win.

Like I said, I think he did a great job here with the transition. I also believe that if you gave P as much time here as people want to give Edsall at Maryland, he'd produce similar records to what Edsall did here. Now, I don't think that should be standard. We need to find the guy that pushes us toward having an occasional 10 win season and gets us ranked.

Its not easy to win here, like it wasn't in Manhattan Kansas before snyder, like it isn't Boise, like it isn't at Washington State (they won with Mike Price though). The key is the getting the right coach. That article today was on the money. You need the right coach, with the right vision and system. I don't believe P is that guy, but I don't think he is materially worse than Edsall.

 

[whaler11]

Like I said, I think he did a great job here with the transition. I also believe that if you gave P as much time here as people want to give Edsall at Maryland, he'd produce similar records to what Edsall did here. Now, I don't think that should be standard. We need to find the guy that pushes us toward having an occasional 10 win season and gets us ranked.

Its not easy to win here, like it wasn't in Manhattan Kansas before snyder, like it isn't Boise, like it isn't at Washington State (they won with Mike Price though). The key is the getting the right coach. That article today was on the money. You need the right coach, with the right vision and system. I don't believe P is that guy, but I don't think he is materially worse than Edsall.

Edsall took over an under 500 FCS team. P took over a team that won a BCS league. Clearly it can't be compared.

Edsall wasn't going to finish in the top 15 or take UConn to national previlance, but if you don't think PP is a downgrade after the last two season we don't need to bother to debate. Edsall's teams could bore paint off a wall but P can't beat 2-6 MAC teams.

 

[FBUCONN]

Would we be sitting home 2 years in a row instead of going to a Bowl if RE was still the HC?
I think not. Biggest difference between the two, the game hasn't passed RE by.

 

[noeynox]

Edsall took over an under 500 FCS team. P took over a team that won a BCS league. Clearly it can't be compared.

Edsall wasn't going to finish in the top 15 or take UConn to national previlance, but if you don't think PP is a downgrade after the last two season we don't need to bother to debate. Edsall's teams could bore paint off a wall but P can't beat 2-6 MAC teams.

You're just looking at what Edsall did here (which is all that matters since were UConn fans) but he took over a 9 win team at UMD amd has run it into the absolute ground., and be fair Edsall took over a team that had gone to the FCS playoffs shortly before he took over. He was left a pretty bare cupboard by Holtz but he was brought in for the build with which he did a fine job.

You continually discount the fact that the team coming off a BCS bid, had an unathletic walk on QB, as its best option at the position, and really no depth at running back as if its no big deal, then you cite UMD's injuries at the QB position as if its an excuse for what Edsall has had to over come.

I'm sorry Edsall is just a younger version of P. He won't wow you, and will never make you great. In his younger days you could argue P accomplished more at Cuse than Edsall ever will anywhere.

I'm not arguing that P has done a good job here. Clearly he hasn't, but I just can't fathom where anyone would think P has been such a downgrade given what has transpired at UMD. What Edsall had here was his baby. He had been recruiting players for his system here for 12 years, it makes sense that there has been a drop off since he left, though a better coach would have gotten us to a bowl this year.

 

[whaler11]

I guess we can catch up next December when Maryland is 7-5 and headed to a bowl and UConn is running a coaching search after going 3-9.

 

[noeynox]

Guess we can. I dont think he sniffs 7-5.

 

[whaler11]

Guess we can. I dont think he sniffs 7-5.

I don't think P sniffs 3-9. Was giving him the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Colt45]

Why don't you bring up the fact that he left us with a top 10 nationally rated defense? The cupboard wasn't left bare on that side of the ball. A half decent coach takes us to a bowl game with a defense like we had this past season.

 

[noeynox]

You think statistically they end up top 10, if Edsall is here? P should have won more this year. Not arguing that.

 

[Colt45]

Yes I do and I'll give you a couple reasons.

Todd Orlando is a great DC. He would have motivated the defense and his scheme would have been very solid. At the very least he is even with Don Brown. Not much dropoff if any at all.

With RE, Joe Moorhead would still be here. If anyone even questions who is the better OC between him and GDL then there is no help for you. He would help the defense because the offense would actually possess and move the ball, which would keep the D off the field.

Can you imagine the defensive statistics we could have had if we had a decent offense?

 

[huskymedic]

Yes I do and I'll give you a couple reasons.

Todd Orlando is a great DC. He would have motivated the defense and his scheme would have been very solid. At the very least he is even with Don Brown. Not much dropoff if any at all.

With RE, Joe Moorhead would still be here. If anyone even questions who is the better OC between him and GDL then there is no help for you. He would help the defense because the offense would actually possess and move the ball, which would keep the D off the field.

Can you imagine the defensive statistics we could have had if we had a decent offense?

You think JM would have passed over the HC opportunities?

 

[Dann]

RE:
-great builder
-bad with media
-great game day coach
-not good at recruiting. some of this i believe was him being a rookie as the guy of a program and combo that with our youth as a program but then again he had the pf...
-saw potential and converted it to level talent needed but that resulted in rarely having the athlete with speed or other qualities that stand sout in the crowd
-good program vision, always future thinking somewhat
-based on what he was possible of being a 1st time HC and uconn being a 1st time bcs program the 2 combined to hit a ceiling somewhat.

you cannot compare the 2 in my opinion in any way decent enough to decide something. P has been horrible so far enough said we all know. the issue is if RE stays we don't lose a couple of transfers(impact? dont think so byt qb is different as no whitmer and prob nebrich and w/e he would have been) and foley coaches this OL. based on those things plus the schedule we played the last 2 years, i come to the conclusion that we would have won 8 or 9 games the past 2 years. ballpark that if u want but RE was a game coach and P has not been. RE finds ways to win all these close games of crapy vs crapy teams. this makes us not crappy and becoming more relevant post BCS bowl as we are becoming a consistent winner at this level. the other side of it is recruiting, would it ever improve? hathway, are things a bit different with him here with focus on bball as fball is on cruise control very slowly climbing? REw ould have done better the past 2 years and next year then P did/will do. but with P and all the bs so far, i eagerly look forward to getting a big boy coach. if we do this will be our first tatse as a program of what thats like to have a big boy coach that is also hungy to suceed as a program beyong certain walls. a coach like that can quickly turn around a school and state projection and future wise and never look back.

this all brings me to recruiting. we saw what RE could do on the trail. P has come in and stunk the place up but hes recruiting a bit better than RE. i'm not sure if this is just a bit of a bump from the bcs bowl and being over a decade old now or if P is just better on the trail. considering how P has been on the field i think its possible uconn being 10 years old now is the factor. but i can't say that is fact as i can't ignore the connections P and GDL have from old time buddys.

either way, if warde had any balls he would have fired them a month ago and brought in a coach like what usf and cincy did. year 2 could have been a monster if so with whitmer-davis-lyle-phillips-frank all being sr's in 2014. but warde didn't which scares me as to if he has any vision or balls as ad. combine that with the bball contract issues and elsewhere stuff wise i am worried to say the least.

 

[Colt45]

Moorhead would have definitely stayed with RE. Being the OC coming off a BCS bowl and statistically being one of the best offensive teams in the Big East. He would have been in line for a 1A head coaching job within a few years. As soon as P comes in he DEMOTES him to qb coach giving his buddy the OC job!

Can you imagine being Joe Moorhead sitting in the offensive staff meetings having to listen to the poor game planning and scheming coming from GDL? Knowing you can't say anything because GDL is the boss's old buddy. To top it off, he had to listen to the play calling over the head set on the sideline, all while trying not to throw up from the crap that he was watching.

Can't blame him for leaving. At the very least he should have been the OC, if not named Head Coach!

 

[huskymedic]

Moorhead would have definitely stayed with RE. Being the OC coming off a BCS bowl and statistically being one of the best offensive teams in the Big East. He would have been in line for a 1A head coaching job within a few years. As soon as P comes in he DEMOTES him to qb coach giving his buddy the OC job!

Can you imagine being Joe Moorhead sitting in the offensive staff meetings having to listen to the poor game planning and scheming coming from GDL? Knowing you can't say anything because GDL is the boss's old buddy. To top it off, he had to listen to the play calling over the head set on the sideline, all while trying not to throw up from the crap that he was watching.

Can't blame him for leaving. At the very least he should have been the OC, if not named Head Coach!

I get all that and no where did I blame him for leaving - I asked the question because you said JM would still be here and I think that his alma mater comes calling to be head coach he leaves whether RE was here or not (it wasn't like they had been together for many years). Rumor here is that he was handcuffed by RE in play calling anyways.

 

[mattp]

Somewhat contridictory, but the current message seems to be that Edsall was the worst recruiter in the world his last couple of years here. "The cupboard is bare", etc. Obviously we were short at QB last year... but the drop off at OL is stupifying..

That's B-S about the cupboard being bare. Judging by the "objective" measures of the rating sites, his recruiting improved modestly year to year for the most part while he was here. All of our best players from last year were recruited by Edsall, and most of our projected starters for next year were recruited by Edsall, although it's obviously very early to judge. Obviously we had some big, important holes, but it's not like our QB/WR situation is really any worse than the majority of Edsall's tenure here and he still got us to bowl games almost every year. Edsall would have probably won 7-8 games each of the last two years. Losing Kuracea and Bennett's injury problems hurt our oline from what it could have been, but I don't remember a single year when Edsall and Foley didn't cobble together a decent to great OLine, often with less than we have today.

 

[Waquoit]

I'm not buying that we were just a couple of plays away from a winning record. We had no chance, P coached us into losses. That Temple game was a disgrace. And the NC State game is a forgotten clustef**k. That's a win with a decent coach.