Was Edsall that good or is Pasqualoni that bad?

[CL82]

It seems to me that the latest vib out of our athletic department is one of findings justifications for failure rather than laying out a map for success. Yes there are some challenges that our athletic department faces but take the example of football. Does P face more challenges than FUCCRE? Some how he got us in bowls, and when the breaks fell just right to 2 conference championships and one BCS bowl. I truly beleive that we would have gone bowling last year under Edsall, and probably this past year as well. That's not competing for a national championship, but it is respectable. A bowl streak helps with recruiting and I beleive would help us in conference realignment. Losing records are killing us.

So was Edsall that good or is Pasqualoni that bad?

 

[CTMike]

Somewhat contridictory, but the current message seems to be that Edsall was the worst recruiter in the world his last couple of years here. "The cupboard is bare", etc. Obviously we were short at QB last year... but the drop off at OL is stupifying.

Not going to crown him King Randy, but the guy could coach kids up exceptionally well. P and GDL aren't doing that. That's the biggest difference I'm seeing.

 

[Jimdish255]

Always saw Randy as organized, prepared and keeping things to a level of clarity and execution that could get us to a certain level. Good evaluater of talent but it got to the point we were being poached by teams coming in at the last minute. He put us in a good place but left a few holes to fill. The new guys were unable to deal with the issues we had and haven't figured things out after 2 years. Kind of like a mechanic who takes apart your engine and doesn't know how to put it back together again, but saw somebody do something similar 20 years ago.

 

[Uconnalliance]

It doesn't help that P was away from college game for a while things have changed,If and I mean IF Randy waited another year he would of been coaching somewhere else and god only knows who are coach would be,but believe this mess wouldn't be as bad as it is.

 

[B1GEast]

both, edsall did more with less, coach p did less with more

 

[uconndogs]

Always saw Randy as organized, prepared and keeping things to a level of clarity and execution that could get us to a certain level. Good evaluater of talent but it got to the point we were being poached by teams coming in at the last minute. He put us in a good place but left a few holes to fill. The new guys were unable to deal with the issues we had and haven't figured things out after 2 years. Kind of like a mechanic who takes apart your engine and doesn't know how to put it back together again, but saw somebody do something similar 20 years ago.

Excellent post!

Both Edsall and P have done terrible jobs at their new posts. Both programs have gone from sound footing to being at high risk.

What P allowed to happen with this offense is complete, total and utter ducking bull . Core concepts of run blocking, a power running game and basic pass blocking were abandoned for what, the wildcat, trick plays and pounding the crap out of a poor 160 tail back. George is a mad scientist with a secret decoder ring for a playbook and P let him go. We threw for over 2,700 yards this season and had one of the nations best defenses and we lost games to NCst, WMU, Temple and USF. We scored what 10 points in the second half of conference games. Wrap your head around some of that and you begin to realize how absolutely abysmal this coaching staff was on the offensive side of the ball.

I hold out some glimmer of hope that P will reasign GDL to a position where he can do little harm (laundry room or something). But, if this thing is the same as last season, 2013 will be a nightmare. Michigan may come in blank us and put 50 or more on the scoreboard.

 

[metsfan2323]

The only difference I see is that Randy is smart enough to get rid of underperforming coaches and P is dumb enough to give underperforming coaches even more responsibility. Randy had a worse record than P his first few years here.

P is one 10 win season away from making everybody forget Edsall and the greatness of 8 - 5 but it seems doubtful it will ever happen.

We can do better than both of these guys.

 

[noeynox]

I think they both suck and Fridge should have been the guy we hired. Well not really, but how long do we continue to lament the loss of a coach with a worse record than P and that lost to him head to head?

 

[J187Money]

Most seasons we were 5-10 plays away from being 5-7. This year we were 5-10 plays away from being 8-4.

I don't think it is that much different. But it sure FEELS different.

 

[Devland]

The recruiting grade for Coach P is incomplete. He came in so late his first year that the only thing he could do was try and retain as many of RE's recruits as possible. So last years recruiting class was his first. Because of the nature of college football a majority of his recruits have redshirted. Next year will be the first real look we get at his recruiting.

 

[Devland]

Most seasons we were 5-10 plays away from being 5-7. This year we were 5-10 plays away from being 8-4.

I don't think it is that much different. But it sure FEELS different.

Thats the nature of football. Every year in the NFL there are a bunch of 7-9 or 8-8 teams that are three plays away from being 10-6 or 11-5.

 

[Srqhusky]

Most seasons we were 5-10 plays away from being 5-7. This year we were 5-10 plays away from being 8-4.

I don't think it is that much different. But it sure FEELS different.

Probably the most accurate description of uconn football ever typed.

 

[Pudge]

Randy Edsall was a particularly great Head Coach for a Program start-up. That is a very specific skill. What he is doing today ... is testing an entirely different skillset. It makes sense to me that he will struggle to get to a solid contender level at the higher league.

Edsall would have had us at a Bowl last year. And, most likely, this year as well. He would have pushed forward with a solid Rush Game (and Robbie Frey would have been our horse last year) & he would have recruited the kids necessary to gain 120-150 yards per game. (and that, I believe, is necessary for our Program) Passing game? We seem to have a more talented QB; but, it comes with a far worse offense. I agree that we often tweaked enough to make 5-7 to 8-5. That's genius at this point.

Pasqualoni, as many have noted, was supposed to come in and pushed us from the Fiesta Bowl qualification level to something more solid. He has shown nothing but excuses lately. This FUBAR about lack of talent goes right to his lack of development. And, George DeLeone is the worst buttf_ck excuse for a key element; UConn may take a half-decade to recover from his nutty schemes.

 

[CL82]

The only difference I see is that Randy is smart enough to get rid of underperforming coaches and P is dumb enough to give underperforming coaches even more responsibility. Randy had a worse record than P his first few years here.

P is one 10 win season away from making everybody forget Edsall and the greatness of 8 - 5 but it seems doubtful it will ever happen.

We can do better than both of these guys.

Keep in mind that Edall was still transitioning to D1 football. P inherited a program that had been there a while.

 

[CL82]

The recruiting grade for Coach P is incomplete. He came in so late his first year that the only thing he could do was try and retain as many of RE's recruits as possible. So last years recruiting class was his first. Because of the nature of college football a majority of his recruits have redshirted. Next year will be the first real look we get at his recruiting.

Mods delete this post before Manual reads it and decides to P a 4th year.

 

[huskymedic]

Randy Edsall was a particularly great Head Coach for a Program start-up. That is a very specific skill. What he is doing today ... is testing an entirely different skillset. It makes sense to me that he will struggle to get to a solid contender level at the higher league.

Edsall would have had us at a Bowl last year. And, most likely, this year as well. He would have pushed forward with a solid Rush Game (and Robbie Frey would have been our horse last year) & he would have recruited the kids necessary to gain 120-150 yards per game. (and that, I believe, is necessary for our Program) Passing game? We seem to have a more talented QB; but, it comes with a far worse offense. I agree that we often tweaked enough to make 5-7 to 8-5. That's genius at this point.

Pasqualoni, as many have noted, was supposed to come in and pushed us from the Fiesta Bowl qualification level to something more solid. He has shown nothing but excuses lately. This FUBAR about lack of talent goes right to his lack of development. And, George DeLeone is the worst buttf_ck excuse for a key element; UConn may take a half-decade to recover from his nutty schemes.

Pudge - ?Frey transferred to Kutztown for Grad school and wouldn't have played last year - no?

 

[huskymedic]

The recruiting grade for Coach P is incomplete. He came in so late his first year that the only thing he could do was try and retain as many of RE's recruits as possible. So last years recruiting class was his first. Because of the nature of college football a majority of his recruits have redshirted. Next year will be the first real look we get at his recruiting.

From the Tommy Tuberville Presser yesterday... "Regardless of what you think, players win games. It's all about recruiting."

From the Elsberry Article this morning: "According to scout.com, the highest UConn recruiting class since the program went to the FBS was 53rd in 2007. It was also the last time the Huskies landed a four-star recruit (Tyler Lorenzen). Since then, UConn's recruiting class standings were 70th (2008), 76th (2009), 69th (2010), 81st (2011) and 66th (2012)."

With the 2013 class not signed, sealed, and delivered, Rivalshas us trending @ #54 right now - Scout has us @ #59 and 247 Sports has us @ #60.

Always wished that they would go back and re-grade classes using same criteria 5 years later to see how they actually panned out. Baseball America just did that and UConn's 2008 class ended up 7th in country based on performance. (From unranked to #7... @BaseballAmerica takes a retrospective look at the top recruiting classes of 2008 baseballamerica.com/blog/college/2… )

 

[huskysupporter]

From the Tommy Tuberville Presser yesterday... "Regardless of what you think, players win games. It's all about recruiting."

From the Elsberry Article this morning: "According to scout.com, the highest UConn recruiting class since the program went to the FBS was 53rd in 2007. It was also the last time the Huskies landed a four-star recruit (Tyler Lorenzen). Since then, UConn's recruiting class standings were 70th (2008), 76th (2009), 69th (2010), 81st (2011) and 66th (2012)."

With the 2013 class not signed, sealed, and delivered, Rivalshas us trending @ #54 right now - Scout has us @ #59 and 247 Sports has us @ #60.

Always wished that they would go back and re-grade classes using same criteria 5 years later to see how they actually panned out. Baseball America just did that and UConn's class ended up 7th in country based on performance.

It really is the only way classes should be judged. I would cringe when people here would cite FHCRE's lack of recruiting success based solely on recruiting rankings from web sites. His classes turned out a whole lot better than those rankings. In fact, I think the only position he really struggled to evaluate correctly was qb. The problem is, that is such an important position.

Just take a look at some of the low ranked players Randy got: Kendall Reyes, Darius Butler, Robert McLain, Kendall Reyes, Scott Lutrus, Sio Moore, Trevardo Williams, Yawin Smallwood, Mo Petrus, Mike Ryan . . . etc. He had a tremendous eye for talent, and his program developed that talent.

 

[uconNYC]

You can pretty much count the bad losses in the Edsall era on one hand (2010: Temple 2006: Navy, Syracuse). With PP in just 2 years we've had about half-a-dozen terrible losses (2011: WMU, ISU, Vandy 2012: WMU, NCState, USF, Temple)

 

[uconNYC]

It really is the only way classes should be judged. I would cringe when people here would cite FHCRE's lack of recruiting success based solely on recruiting rankings from web sites. His classes turned out a whole lot better than those rankings. In fact, I think the only position he really struggled to evaluate correctly was qb. The problem is, that is such an important position.

Just take a look at some of the low ranked players Randy got: Kendall Reyes, Darius Butler, Robert McLain, Kendall Reyes, Scott Lutrus, Sio Moore, Trevardo Williams, Yawin Smallwood, Mo Petrus, Mike Ryan . . . etc. He had a tremendous eye for talent, and his program developed that talent.

Edsall was like a chef that does well with what he has, but imagine if he had even better ingredients. An argument could be made that had he recruited better players, their ceiling would have been even higher.

 

[SubbaBub]

Edsall teams while lacking firepower, always pointed it at the enemy. PP takes same arsenal and shoots self in foot.

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[rich1122]

He left us no D1 QB and then split. Box, Nebrich on to much lower levels. I like McCummings but not him either. Trick Shot Johnny - no mas. We lost Zach and Cody and after that Edsall saw the writing on the wall.

Could have used Frey last year. Worth 2 wins.

I like Whitmer and in another couple he will do OK as a D1 QB.

I'll let P give it a go with his guys.

 

[noeynox]

You can pretty much count the bad losses in the Edsall era on one hand (2010: Temple 2006: Navy, Syracuse). With PP in just 2 years we've had about half-a-dozen terrible losses (2011: WMU, ISU, Vandy 2012: WMU, NCState, USF, Temple)

While I agree with this, the flip side is that in 12 years Edsall won one game against a ranked opponent. An opponent that would finish the season unranked. In just two years P has already beaten a ranked opponent. One that just won the conference's BCS bid and most assuredly will end the season ranked.

P's ass is on the line. He knows it, the fans know it, Warde knows it.

When Edsall left, he left a situation he will never have again, and that no one at UConn will ever have again. Edsall could have been 7-5, 8-4, 5-6, at UConn year after year and never been in any danger. He never had to try and develop a passing game and churned out records like the ones above forever here simply relying on the running game. Count me in along with those that felt he left in no small part because the best he had coming back at QB was a walk on, and the best he had coming back at running back was a rather slow 5-6, 166lb running back.

That is not giving P a pass, because there was more than enough talent left to make a bowl this year, especially given that we lost games to three atrocious teams in Western Michigan, USF, and Temple.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

I'm not going to begin comparing recruits between RE & P primarily because I want P a new coach here teaching his recruits (and getting credit for their accomplishments).

I do believe that RE did quite a bit for us but I also believe that he was pretty close to his ceiling here when he left. I also believe that being away from the college game for as long as he had been made it more difficult for P. There were too many statements that sounded as if he was expecting fully developed players with considerable understanding of NFL terminology when he got here and was far too slow in adjusting to a situation where the kids needed teaching, development and limited responsibilities.

I won't get into the details of this but in an overview, the roster went from a coach who was a bit too hands on (with everything) to a coach who was too hands off and this led to what appeared (to most observers) as a very poorly organized team.

 

[whaler11]

Edsall was pretty good. P sucks. Going 8-5 is only tired if you haven't seen 5-7, 5-7, 3-9 in a while.