Was Edsall that good or is Pasqualoni that bad?

[whaler11]

Guess we can. I dont think he sniffs 7-5.

I don't think P sniffs 3-9. Was giving him the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Colt45]

Why don't you bring up the fact that he left us with a top 10 nationally rated defense? The cupboard wasn't left bare on that side of the ball. A half decent coach takes us to a bowl game with a defense like we had this past season.

 

[noeynox]

You think statistically they end up top 10, if Edsall is here? P should have won more this year. Not arguing that.

 

[Colt45]

Yes I do and I'll give you a couple reasons.

Todd Orlando is a great DC. He would have motivated the defense and his scheme would have been very solid. At the very least he is even with Don Brown. Not much dropoff if any at all.

With RE, Joe Moorhead would still be here. If anyone even questions who is the better OC between him and GDL then there is no help for you. He would help the defense because the offense would actually possess and move the ball, which would keep the D off the field.

Can you imagine the defensive statistics we could have had if we had a decent offense?

 

[huskymedic]

Yes I do and I'll give you a couple reasons.

Todd Orlando is a great DC. He would have motivated the defense and his scheme would have been very solid. At the very least he is even with Don Brown. Not much dropoff if any at all.

With RE, Joe Moorhead would still be here. If anyone even questions who is the better OC between him and GDL then there is no help for you. He would help the defense because the offense would actually possess and move the ball, which would keep the D off the field.

Can you imagine the defensive statistics we could have had if we had a decent offense?

You think JM would have passed over the HC opportunities?

 

[Dann]

RE:
-great builder
-bad with media
-great game day coach
-not good at recruiting. some of this i believe was him being a rookie as the guy of a program and combo that with our youth as a program but then again he had the pf...
-saw potential and converted it to level talent needed but that resulted in rarely having the athlete with speed or other qualities that stand sout in the crowd
-good program vision, always future thinking somewhat
-based on what he was possible of being a 1st time HC and uconn being a 1st time bcs program the 2 combined to hit a ceiling somewhat.

you cannot compare the 2 in my opinion in any way decent enough to decide something. P has been horrible so far enough said we all know. the issue is if RE stays we don't lose a couple of transfers(impact? dont think so byt qb is different as no whitmer and prob nebrich and w/e he would have been) and foley coaches this OL. based on those things plus the schedule we played the last 2 years, i come to the conclusion that we would have won 8 or 9 games the past 2 years. ballpark that if u want but RE was a game coach and P has not been. RE finds ways to win all these close games of crapy vs crapy teams. this makes us not crappy and becoming more relevant post BCS bowl as we are becoming a consistent winner at this level. the other side of it is recruiting, would it ever improve? hathway, are things a bit different with him here with focus on bball as fball is on cruise control very slowly climbing? REw ould have done better the past 2 years and next year then P did/will do. but with P and all the bs so far, i eagerly look forward to getting a big boy coach. if we do this will be our first tatse as a program of what thats like to have a big boy coach that is also hungy to suceed as a program beyong certain walls. a coach like that can quickly turn around a school and state projection and future wise and never look back.

this all brings me to recruiting. we saw what RE could do on the trail. P has come in and stunk the place up but hes recruiting a bit better than RE. i'm not sure if this is just a bit of a bump from the bcs bowl and being over a decade old now or if P is just better on the trail. considering how P has been on the field i think its possible uconn being 10 years old now is the factor. but i can't say that is fact as i can't ignore the connections P and GDL have from old time buddys.

either way, if warde had any balls he would have fired them a month ago and brought in a coach like what usf and cincy did. year 2 could have been a monster if so with whitmer-davis-lyle-phillips-frank all being sr's in 2014. but warde didn't which scares me as to if he has any vision or balls as ad. combine that with the bball contract issues and elsewhere stuff wise i am worried to say the least.

 

[Colt45]

Moorhead would have definitely stayed with RE. Being the OC coming off a BCS bowl and statistically being one of the best offensive teams in the Big East. He would have been in line for a 1A head coaching job within a few years. As soon as P comes in he DEMOTES him to qb coach giving his buddy the OC job!

Can you imagine being Joe Moorhead sitting in the offensive staff meetings having to listen to the poor game planning and scheming coming from GDL? Knowing you can't say anything because GDL is the boss's old buddy. To top it off, he had to listen to the play calling over the head set on the sideline, all while trying not to throw up from the crap that he was watching.

Can't blame him for leaving. At the very least he should have been the OC, if not named Head Coach!

 

[huskymedic]

Moorhead would have definitely stayed with RE. Being the OC coming off a BCS bowl and statistically being one of the best offensive teams in the Big East. He would have been in line for a 1A head coaching job within a few years. As soon as P comes in he DEMOTES him to qb coach giving his buddy the OC job!

Can you imagine being Joe Moorhead sitting in the offensive staff meetings having to listen to the poor game planning and scheming coming from GDL? Knowing you can't say anything because GDL is the boss's old buddy. To top it off, he had to listen to the play calling over the head set on the sideline, all while trying not to throw up from the crap that he was watching.

Can't blame him for leaving. At the very least he should have been the OC, if not named Head Coach!

I get all that and no where did I blame him for leaving - I asked the question because you said JM would still be here and I think that his alma mater comes calling to be head coach he leaves whether RE was here or not (it wasn't like they had been together for many years). Rumor here is that he was handcuffed by RE in play calling anyways.

 

[mattp]

Somewhat contridictory, but the current message seems to be that Edsall was the worst recruiter in the world his last couple of years here. "The cupboard is bare", etc. Obviously we were short at QB last year... but the drop off at OL is stupifying..

That's B-S about the cupboard being bare. Judging by the "objective" measures of the rating sites, his recruiting improved modestly year to year for the most part while he was here. All of our best players from last year were recruited by Edsall, and most of our projected starters for next year were recruited by Edsall, although it's obviously very early to judge. Obviously we had some big, important holes, but it's not like our QB/WR situation is really any worse than the majority of Edsall's tenure here and he still got us to bowl games almost every year. Edsall would have probably won 7-8 games each of the last two years. Losing Kuracea and Bennett's injury problems hurt our oline from what it could have been, but I don't remember a single year when Edsall and Foley didn't cobble together a decent to great OLine, often with less than we have today.

 

[Waquoit]

I'm not buying that we were just a couple of plays away from a winning record. We had no chance, P coached us into losses. That Temple game was a disgrace. And the NC State game is a forgotten clustef**k. That's a win with a decent coach.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

I'm not buying that we were just a couple of plays away from a winning record. We had no chance, P coached us into losses. That Temple game was a disgrace. And the NC State game is a forgotten clustef**k. That's a win with a decent coach.

Temple is our worst loss last year in my opinion. But I think the forgotten clusterf**k is not only losing to USF, but only scoring 6 points against that dreadful defense. And that was after GDL had 2 weeks to prepare.

 

[ZooCougar]

Edsall's worst was better than Pasqualoni's best. That's all that needs to be said.

 

[CL82]

I'm not arguing that P has done a good job here. Clearly he hasn't, but I just can't fathom where anyone would think P has been such a downgrade given what has transpired at UMD.

We've had a losing record two years in a row. Games that could have had us go bowling were lost due to poor coaching decisions . A lot of what coaches do is invisible. Play calling and clock management is not. Problems there are apparent to even casual fans.

In the end you are what your record says you are. Randy succeeded here, P has not.

 

[freescooter]

Edsall was in many respects the perfect guy for the job of bringing UConn into D1. Excellent at identifying talent and coaching players up. Pasqualoni has a totally different approach. He made clear from the day he was hired that he want to recruit more proto-typical players so to speak, and improve UConn that way. In fact, most reports about his hiring said that his plan for upgrading recruiting is what got him the job. So the idea that UConn "lacks talent" really fits that narrative. to some degree the quarterback situation wasn't of his making. When Endres flunked his drug tests, we were in trouble there. that is one area where I'm not sure Edsall would have out-coached Pasqualoni. I actually thought Pasqualoni did a really nice job of getting the maximum out of Johnny Mac last year. Face it, the kid wasn't that good...we'd have seen Mike box running the football most of the time.

 

[TouchdownHusky]

both, edsall did more with less, coach p did less with more

Terrific assessment. Paul will soon be doing less with less.

 

[Jimdish255]

Thats the nature of football. Every year in the NFL there are a bunch of 7-9 or 8-8 teams that are three plays away from being 10-6 or 11-5.

And the difference isn't always luck.

 

[UConnDan97]

All joking aside, if we were ever to lose Don Brown as our Defensive Coordinator (God forbid!), I would want Spaz to be on our short list of DC's. I think people forgot how solid he was in that capacity. What happened as a head coach? I have no idea...

 

[ZooCougar]

All joking aside, if we were ever to lose Don Brown as our Defensive Coordinator (God forbid!), I would want Spaz to be on our short list of DC's. I think people forgot how solid he was in that capacity. What happened as a head coach? I have no idea...

There are tons of examples of Coordinators who didn't make good head coaches. It's two different skillsets.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

You're not all that bad for a BC guy...........

 

[UConnDan97]

There are tons of examples of Coordinators who didn't make good head coaches. It's two different skillsets.

Absolutely. But keep in mind that this guy had formerly been a coach on the offensive side of the ball and was a former QB. When you couple that with his vast experience on the defensive side of the ball, it would be hard to imagine why he struggled to put it all together (of course, I'm not factoring in things like recruiting, etc.). Still, he was a really good DC and someone that shouldn't have too much problem finding another job in that capacity if he wants one...

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

There are tons of examples of Coordinators who didn't make good head coaches. It's two different skillsets.

First guy that came to mind......Norv Turner. And somehow, because he has to have incriminating pictures of somebody, he is still employed as a head coach. Clock is ticking for him though. I think.

 

[UConnDan97]

First guy that came to mind......Norv Turner. And somehow, because he has to has incriminating pictures of somebody, he is still employed as a head coach. Clock is ticking for him though. I think.

Fantastic analogy!

 

[Husky68]

I don't think P sniffs 3-9. Was giving him the benefit of the doubt.

What do you think Uconn's record will be next year? Less than 3 wins in the nnbe is pretty low. Kind of counting on 2 OOC wins, so you see 1 win in nnBE as not happening, that's Kragthorpean. Not saying I disagree, but Buffalo and Towson should be wins (????). If 8 nnBE games, there aren't but a couple of good teams in the nnBE next year so not getting a couple there would be pretty hard.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

What do you think Uconn's record will be next year? Less than 3 wins in the nnbe is pretty low. Kind of counting on 2 OOC wins, so you see 1 win in nnBE as not happening, that's Kragthorpean. Not saying I disagree, but Buffalo and Towson should be wins (????). If 8 nnBE games, there aren't but a couple of good teams in the nnBE next year so not getting a couple there would be pretty hard.

Well we know our OOC slate is only 4 games. I will agree with you and say we go 2-2 there.

We know that we have league home games against Louisville, Rutgers, and USF and a road game against Cincy. We also know we are playing UCF (likely on the road) based on the divisions previously announced. How many of those do we win? I'd say 2 at the most.

Our other 3 games will come from the "West" division:

Boise State
Houston
Memphis
San Diego State
SMU
Temple

Maybe we get lucky and draw Temple, Memphis, and Houston and win 2 of 3. Or maybe we draw SDST, Boise, and SMU and lose all 3. My best guess is that we're anywhere from a 4 to 6 win team.

 

[whaler11]

What do you think Uconn's record will be next year? Less than 3 wins in the nnbe is pretty low. Kind of counting on 2 OOC wins, so you see 1 win in nnBE as not happening, that's Kragthorpean. Not saying I disagree, but Buffalo and Towson should be wins (????). If 8 nnBE games, there aren't but a couple of good teams in the nnBE next year so not getting a couple there would be pretty hard.

Today I'd set their over under total for wins at four but we don't know the schedule yet.