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CallMeBruce said:
In what way would Kofi Cockburn be a "statement commitment" that Jalen Adams or Alterique Gilbert were not? For that matter, in what way is Cockburn more of a statement commitment than Akok?
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Cockburn would be an instant impact to help fix an obvious need. However, Precious would be a statement.
 
CallMeBruce said:
In what way would Kofi Cockburn be a "statement commitment" that Jalen Adams or Alterique Gilbert were not? For that matter, in what way is Cockburn more of a statement commitment than Akok?
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I'll give you one way, we always seem to get bigtime guards even when our program is down and going through controversy. We have been a zero lately when it comes to getting big men and the ones we get are built like high school sophomores. Kofi is a beast, he will signal that we are back to getting bigs like we did back in the day.
 
superjohn said:
I'll give you one way, we always seem to get bigtime guards even when our program is down and going through controversy. We have been a zero lately when it comes to getting big men and the ones we get are built like high school sophomores. Kofi is a beast, he will signal that we are back to getting bigs like we did back in the day.
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Bingo.

Under KO, who was the best big-man recruit we brought in? Durham? And he was damaged goods who rarely played and then bailed.
 
CallMeBruce said:
In what way would Kofi Cockburn be a "statement commitment" that Jalen Adams or Alterique Gilbert were not? For that matter, in what way is Cockburn more of a statement commitment than Akok?
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Kofi alone isn’t the statement. Kofi and precious added to the class that we have is the statement. That’s a top 2 class in the country imo. Also all of the recruits listed by the poster above we guards. Bringing in basically 3 5* bigs in Kofi, Akok, and Precious is huge in the national perspective. We’ve never had trouble getting guards. But being in the convo for elite bigs again is something we’ve haven’t had in over a decade(sans Drummond)
 
CallMeBruce said:
In what way would Kofi Cockburn be a "statement commitment" that Jalen Adams or Alterique Gilbert were not? For that matter, in what way is Cockburn more of a statement commitment than Akok?
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Cockburn is much more prepared to make an impact from day 1 IMO. Akok’s ceiling is crazy high though.

They’re both “statement” commits in my eyes.
 
caw said:
Precious and Kofu would be huge and I’m not an Ollie fanatic but Hamilton would be roughly in between the two in terms of ranking and being a statement get. Heck Durham and Jackson weren’t far behind Kofis ranking if not ahead of it, IIRC. Not to mention Adams and Gilbert who were both top 20 recruits IIRC. Precious is a step ahead of them all in terms of ranking but Kofi actually is behind Akok in some rankings and at least a few of the ones Ollie got. Ollie had serious flaws but he and his staff got some high ranked recruits also.
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You don't get it. We don't like him so absolutely everything he did well while here is supposed to be minimized, explained or forgotten.
 
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businesslawyer said:
You don't get it. We don't like him so absolutely everything he did well while here is supposed to be minimized, explained or forgotten.
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No one was criticizing KO here. Anytime his name is mentioned posters like you get all sensitive lol. Saying Ollie never got that statement commitment after the title isn’t knocking him. It’s a factual observation. It’s ok, his feelings aren’t hurt
 
AntG168 said:
No one was criticizing KO here.
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impossible to tell if @businesslawyer was being sarcastic or not....but either way i'm apathetic. as i said before, ollie ollie ollie blah blah blah.

BFieldHusky said:
Kofi is the priority, not Wahab.
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understood. all things equal everyone would rather get kofi (and probably mitchell) instead of wahab. I'm just risk averse. if i were hurley i'd lock down whichever of the 3 bigs i could, as soon as i could, and then put all my effort into precious and a grad transfer.

this strategy won't land the top recruiting class in the country but i'm very happy in the top 10.
 
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yukonfan4 said:
impossible to tell if @businesslawyer was being sarcastic or not....but either way i'm apathetic. as i said before, ollie ollie ollie blah blah blah.



understood. all things equal everyone would rather get kofi (and probably mitchell) instead of wahab. I'm just risk averse. if i were hurley i'd lock down whichever of the 3 bigs i could, as soon as i could, and then put all my effort into precious and a grad transfer.

this strategy won't land the top recruiting class in the country but i'm very happy in the top 10.
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No, I was not being sarcastic. In terms of the last two years sucking, KO's recruiting skills sucking was way, way, way down the list of what caused it. Injuries caused it. Inability to keep players in the program caused it. Bad player development caused it. Bad coaching caused it. And, some just plain bad luck in recruiting (like the Brown and Diallo stories) caused it. But the inability to attract good players here in the first place -- like Jalen Adams, Daniel Hamilton, Durham, Gilbert, etc. -- was way, way, way down the list.

But my statement was true -- one can't just say KO didn't do a good enough job -- one has to be willing to say that each and every skill he brought to the table sucked -- to avoid controversy.
 
My complaints about Ollie's recruiting was that he signed too many guys, specifically bigs, that were just not able to compete or produce at this level. He also always left us shorthanded in the backcourt as far as numbers go. We never had enough guards.
 
My complaint with Ollie was that he was a very, very, very bad college basketball coach.
 
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UConnStats said:
Cockburn is much more prepared to make an impact from day 1 IMO. Akok’s ceiling is crazy high though.

They’re both “statement” commits in my eyes.
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For us to bounce right back with ostensibly a top-10 class a year removed from transfer mania and the first losing school in a million years for us - i'd say that's a pretty big statement.

Achiuwa is a stud obviously, but i'd be pretty thrilled with Cockburn and Akok.
 
Interesting in his weekly podcast Dan Hurley alluded to almost demanding an understanding of where the staff stands with recruits on an ongoing basis. He’s going to lose some but it shouldn’t be as shocking to this staff when to cut bait vs gamble.
 
Towney007 said:
My complaint with Ollie was that he was a very, very, very bad college basketball coach.
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A bad coach who won us the national championship n the AAC title. Well none of the players that is being coach by Hurley has taken the giant leap that most of y'all expected. Adams is still not on the NBA radar, Vital is not suddenly endow with a high BBIQ. Louisville fans r now calling for the benching of Enoch for a freshman. Vance Jackson is not even a starter in NM. Maybe KO was not the problem. Maybe issues with injuries n a depleted roster was the main problem
 
Whtdmd said:
Maybe issues with injuries n a depleted roster was the main problem
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Those certainly led to the losing records and to KO losing his job (along with NCAA violations). However, if KO had been luckier and more rule-abiding, he would have done well enough to keep his job, but he still wouldn't have been as good a head coach as Hurley.

KO can be a competent college coach if he wants to be one, and dedicates himself to it. It'll be interesting to see how his career proceeds from here.
 
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Whtdmd said:
A bad coach who won us the national championship n the AAC title. Well none of the players that is being coach by Hurley has taken the giant leap that most of y'all expected. Adams is still not on the NBA radar, Vital is not suddenly endow with a high BBIQ. Louisville fans r now calling for the benching of Enoch for a freshman. Vance Jackson is not even a starter in NM. Maybe KO was not the problem. Maybe issues with injuries n a depleted roster was the main problem
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KO was part of the problem. He chose to recruit and sign these underwhelming players that are pointed out. He bought the groceries that made the roster look depleted. It wasn't all injuries. Also, pretty tough for Hurley to undo several years of no development in one offseason and a handful of games. A lot of bad habits were formed that are tough to break in such a short time.
 
caw said:
Precious and Kofu would be huge and I’m not an Ollie fanatic but Hamilton would be roughly in between the two in terms of ranking and being a statement get. Heck Durham and Jackson weren’t far behind Kofis ranking if not ahead of it, IIRC. Not to mention Adams and Gilbert who were both top 20 recruits IIRC. Precious is a step ahead of them all in terms of ranking but Kofi actually is behind Akok in some rankings and at least a few of the ones Ollie got. Ollie had serious flaws but he and his staff got some high ranked recruits also.
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Wasn't Will Jackson top 15 too at one point before he got hurt? Prince Ali top 50ish? Not sure recruiting was as big of a problem for Ollie as many make it out to be. Injuries, retaining those recruits and development is another story. Ollie had a lot of bad bounces. Pun intended.
 
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His eye for talent was not great regardless of the rankings. Not all these ranked guys pan out regardless of good or bad development. The way he contructed his teams were way out of balance. Not enough shooters, not enough guards, ineffective bigs, too many unskilled frontcourt tweeners that couldnt dribble or shoot or rebound effectively etc...
 
KO seemed to go to a peculiar strategy: instead of the standard 5 guards / 3 sf / 5 bigs approach, he went 3 strong guards / 3 sf / 7 mediocre bigs, with the idea that 3-4 of the mediocre bigs might be playable as upperclassman, and he'd have 3 playable guards, 2 playable sf, and 3 playable upperclassmen bigs for an 8-player rotation even if his big man recruiting was mediocre and it took 2-3 years for them to develop.

The trouble was any guard injury kills him with that roster construction. Moreover, if you can't retain your bigs you never get the mature upperclassmen.

He would have been better off recruiting 5 strong guards and playing 3 or 4 guard lineups.
 
Whtdmd said:
A bad coach who won us the national championship n the AAC title. Well none of the players that is being coach by Hurley has taken the giant leap that most of y'all expected. Adams is still not on the NBA radar, Vital is not suddenly endow with a high BBIQ. Louisville fans r now calling for the benching of Enoch for a freshman. Vance Jackson is not even a starter in NM. Maybe KO was not the problem. Maybe issues with injuries n a depleted roster was the main problem
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lol this guy
 
AntG168 said:
No one was criticizing KO here. Anytime his name is mentioned posters like you get all sensitive lol. Saying Ollie never got that statement commitment after the title isn’t knocking him. It’s a factual observation. It’s ok, his feelings aren’t hurt
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Sounds like you don't know the difference between a fact and opinion. Although maybe you should get the vaccine thing down before you move on to that.
 
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Whtdmd said:
A bad coach who won us the national championship n the AAC title. Well none of the players that is being coach by Hurley has taken the giant leap that most of y'all expected. Adams is still not on the NBA radar, Vital is not suddenly endow with a high BBIQ. Louisville fans r now calling for the benching of Enoch for a freshman. Vance Jackson is not even a starter in NM. Maybe KO was not the problem. Maybe issues with injuries n a depleted roster was the main problem
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Is someone angry that his strip club visits aren't subsidized by his rich buddy's salary anymore?
 
Stainmaster said:
Sounds like you don't know the difference between a fact and opinion. Although maybe you should get the vaccine thing down before you move on to that.
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Name the elite bigs he reeled in. I’ll wait. Him not reeling in big time front court players seems pretty factual to me
 
AntG168 said:
Name the elite bigs he reeled in. I’ll wait. Him not reeling in big time front court players seems pretty factual to me
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“Statement commit” is subjective, and that’s the point you made in post #67 that I responded to. Pretty sure as other posters have pointed out, it’s reasonable to give that title to Dan Hurley and JA.

Here’s what you’re doing: Moving the goalposts - Wikipedia
 
Stainmaster said:
“Statement commit” is subjective, and that’s the point you made in post #67 that I responded to. Pretty sure as other posters have pointed out, it’s reasonable to give that title to Dan Hurley and JA.
Here’s what you’re doing: Moving the goalposts - Wikipedia
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Wrong again. I said Kofi would be more of a statement commit. If you use your reading skills I clearly in the next post specified why I felt it’d be more of a statement than the good guards we’ve got. Pick someone else to argue with about something dumb. I’m not interested


“Kofi alone isn’t the statement. Kofi and precious added to the class that we have is the statement. That’s a top 2 class in the country imo. Also all of the recruits listed by the poster above we guards. Bringing in basically 3 5* bigs in Kofi, Akok, and Precious is huge in the national perspective. We’ve never had trouble getting guards. But being in the convo for elite bigs again is something we’ve haven’t had in over a decade(sans Drummond)”
 
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AntG168 said:
Wrong again. I said Kofi would be more of a statement commit. If you use your reading skills I clearly in the next post specified why I felt it’d be more of a statement than the good guards we’ve got. Pick someone else to argue with about something dumb. I’m not interested


“Kofi alone isn’t the statement. Kofi and precious added to the class that we have is the statement. That’s a top 2 class in the country imo. Also all of the recruits listed by the poster above we guards. Bringing in basically 3 5* bigs in Kofi, Akok, and Precious is huge in the national perspective. We’ve never had trouble getting guards. But being in the convo for elite bigs again is something we’ve haven’t had in over a decade(sans Drummond)”
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Bro...you're way out of your depth.

AntG168 said:
Saying Ollie never got that statement commitment after the title isn’t knocking him.
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You do know that once you post something, it remains visible, right?
 
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