Vols/UConn Series Might be Renewed

[johnnyc]

If you will read my later response, I mainly blame the A.D.s for not having the nerve to do what they should have done.... keep the series going.

Nerve? You serious? Pat Summit?

 

[Tonyc]

Those of us lived through it don't want to relive it. You have no idea how bad it was. It was despicable and the lowest that anyone could stoop. The things that were done to our heros like Diana Sue EDD Maya Caroline, their parents, out coaches and school and our Boneyarders. Have you ever read the 37 pages? Have you read the articles? Did you see what Tenn tried to accuse all of us of? The boards were out of control as were the media. IA Tenn board was a cesspool of insults, complaints, and filth. For those of you who would like to see the game resume are thinking of what it once was. It isn't anymore. Tenn cant compete with UConn. When we face them again we will completely humilitate them which will only fuel another war which I do not want to live through again. This was all caused by Geno getting all the prize recruits when Tenn thought they had them. Namely EDD Caroline and Maya. Some day when we meet at a game I will sit with you and tell you what happened. It was the lowest most despicable things anyone could do and it was orchestrated imo by the leaders on the Tenn board, as the clan never let up, and Tenn tried to use the power of Pat to influence the SEC and NCAA to do something. The NCAA threw it out. We were all humilitated embarrassed and shocked by what Tenn did. Reputations were hurt. Never Ever do I want to relive that nightmare. For the good of WCBB UConn should never be subject to be playing Tenn again. What was is no longer. What pipe dreams fans have of what was is no longer and will never be the same. I don't wanna even consider "IF's" either. How would you like to wake up in the morning and find your name in the papers with posts you wrote twisted, mangled and misrepresented, making you look like a criminal? How would you like to be investigated by the FBI? How would you like to get calls from Compliance Officers? You have no idea what lengths Tenn went to to destroy, everybody associated with UConn. No Idea. I don't ever want to play them again. I don't care if we beat them by 100 pts it wouldn't be enough and would serve no purpose. They players have changed but the rest of the program hasn't. It could do UConn no good but it could hurt and destroy every thing UConn represents and has built. I don't think UConn could take that chance. You don't know what your dealing with when you bring up Tenn. We overcame it once I don't want to have to live through it again.

 

[Icebear]

Don't worry, Tony, you won't have to even if the series is renewed because no one can see or use anything written on The Summitt. With pay to play The Summitt have made themselves entirely irrelevant to the world of WCBB.

 

[Phil]

Stop blaming the ADs, plural, and you've finally got a defensible position, at least theoretically. To what end, I don't know.

Pat Summitt was the one who ended the series, as several folks have accurately informed you. As for your "more than one person is responsible:"

Yeah. You can add Summitt's staff, who went along with her. Surprise, surprise. Can just imagine them saying, "Forget it, Pat. Don't be such a jealous janet."

You can argue that the Tennessee AD should have stopped her.

Should have, that is, as viewed by you from on high. It was out of the question in the real world, where the power dynamics and relationship were such that there was no freakin' way.

Tennessee had a separate women's AD, Joan Cronan, until the AD's were merged last June. Summitt was the tail wagging the Tennessee women's athletics department, and Cronan was women's AD for 29 of Summitt's 38 years as coach.

Cronan: "We've always laughed because I wanted her to coach as long as she could, because she was a pretty good AD when she was coaching." (WBIR.com, 5/2/12)

So much for the Tennessee AD should've cracked the whip on Pat. She not only didn't crack it, she wrote the accusatory "we'd prefer to remain anonymous" poison pen letter about UConn to the SEC.

Turning to UConn, you can't plausibly argue the UConn AD, whether or not possessed of nerve, or anyone else on the UConn side, had the ability to keep the series going when Summitt decided it would end.

So, you're left with the abstract proposition that an AD should be the boss of a coach (and should, incidentally, have seen it your way). Fair enough, provided you recognize that, in reality, it isn't always the case (see, e.g., Paterno, J. and Summitt, P.)

And that's why people have a problem with your both-sides-were-to-blame sally. Whatever your reason for advancing it, it suffers from the appreciable defect of being unsupportable.

I suppose it is probably a bridge too far, but I hadn't considered, until your post, the possibility that the extreme incompetence of the Women' AD, smashing the crown jewel of the ebb regular season, knocking the Lady Vols off the top rung of the ladder, lead to the decision that maybe duplication of effort wasn't so efficient. You might be willing to out up with the inefficiencies when it produces results, but when it produces cow pies, what's the point. The timing means it wasn't a simple cause and effect, but I wonder if that decision played a role in the school's decision to merge the departments.

 

[RockyMTblue2]

Pat Summit - you know, the one with the Tenn Athletic Arena named after her - controlled the termination decision and held and may still hold far greater sway in Tenn athletics than any AD.

 

[doggydaddy]

I guess I will end my participation in this by stating that more than one person is responsible. If you will read my later response, I mainly blame the A.D.s for not having the nerve to do what they should have done.... keep the series going. Coaches don't(or shouldn't) run the athletic departments.

Yes, more than one person is responsible.

Summitt - she was the one that went to her AD with these cockamamie charges against Uconn and told her not to sign the contract to renew the contract.

Cronin - the AD. She could have told Summitt no.

MCC - Maria, the mod of The Summitt. And writer with DIRECT connections to the team, including Summitt. I would bet she has Pat's cell phone number. I doubt anyone on Summitt's staff reads The Boneyard, but Maria certainly did. Please tell me who else would have let Summitt know what was discussed here, who else would have made copies of 30+ pages of posts from The Boneyard for use in the complaint to the NCAA about Uconn's alleged recruiting violations?

Who WASN'T responsible for the game being cancelled?

Geno - he asked the Uconn AD to sign the contract to continue the series.

Uconn AD - Jeff Hathaway signed the contract and had it mailed to Tennessee for their signature.

The Boneyard - unlike the Summitt, this site has no affiliation or direct connection to the Uconn coaching staff.

For you to continue to blame both parties for the series being cancelled shows me that I was right, you are indeed clueless about this situation.

 

[meyers7]

I actually love the idea of Pat being required to sit and watch while her team of Big Mac all-stars is ripped open and demolished on National TV.

Well that might, but only might, be worth it.

 

[meyers7]

Nope

Well then you might be a little slow.

 

[meyers7]

The Boneyard - unlike the Summitt, this site has no affiliation or direct connection to the Uconn coaching staff.

Yea, actually, they are not even particularly found of us.

 

[JS]

I doubt anyone on Summitt's staff reads The Boneyard, but Maria certainly did. Please tell me who else would have let Summitt know what was discussed here, who else would have made copies of 30+ pages of posts from The Boneyard for use in the complaint to the NCAA about Uconn's alleged recruiting violations?

Not so sure about that. There were Summitteers of longer standing than MMC who also had access to Summitt and whose noses were pressed closer to the BY window. Of course it may have been a joint effort. Teamwork and all that.

As far as her monitoring you, she had various snitches reporting in. You ensured a high employment rate in that sector.

 

[doggydaddy]

Not so sure about that. There were Summitteers of longer standing than MMC who also had access to Summitt and whose noses were pressed closer to the BY window.

As far as her monitoring you, she had various snitches reporting in. You ensured a high employment rate in that sector.

Lol...did they really have people reading what I posted and report back to her?


I would imagine it went like this.........

 

[Icebear]

DD, we all report to someone concerning you.

 

[doggydaddy]

DD, we all report to someone concerning you.

How did my wife get involved?

 

[BooRadley]

How did my wife get involved?

They're all in cahoots... What do you think that they do when they go to the ladies room en masse??? My sources tell me that its sort of like a boardroom meeting where status updates are disseminated and they're most secret plans are finalized...

 

[Husky7882]

Stop blaming the ADs, plural, and you've finally got a defensible position, at least theoretically. To what end, I don't know.

Pat Summitt was the one who ended the series, as several folks have accurately informed you. As for your "more than one person is responsible:"

Yeah. You can add Summitt's staff, who went along with her. Surprise, surprise. Can just imagine them saying, "Forget it, Pat. Don't be such a jealous janet."

You can argue that the Tennessee AD should have stopped her.

Should have, that is, as viewed by you from on high. It was out of the question in the real world, where the power dynamics and relationship were such that there was no freakin' way.

Tennessee had a separate women's AD, Joan Cronan, until the AD's were merged last June. Summitt was the tail wagging the Tennessee women's athletics department, and Cronan was women's AD for 29 of Summitt's 38 years as coach.

Cronan: "We've always laughed because I wanted her to coach as long as she could, because she was a pretty good AD when she was coaching." (WBIR.com, 5/2/12)

So much for the Tennessee AD should've cracked the whip on Pat. She not only didn't crack it, she wrote the accusatory "we'd prefer to remain anonymous" poison pen letter about UConn to the SEC.

Turning to UConn, you can't plausibly argue the UConn AD, whether or not possessed of nerve, or anyone else on the UConn side, had the ability to keep the series going when Summitt decided it would end.

So, you're left with the abstract proposition that an AD should be the boss of a coach (and should, incidentally, have seen it your way). Fair enough, provided you recognize that, in reality, it isn't always the case (see, e.g., Paterno, J. and Summitt, P.)

And that's why people have a problem with your both-sides-were-to-blame sally. Whatever your reason for advancing it, it suffers from the appreciable defect of being unsupportable.

When I finished reading your post, I felt like I was back in Business Law I and II answering an exam question; the "technique" is all there. It's quite obvious what you do for a living. Great job, counselor!

 

[Waquoit]

Since UT cancelled the series, they've become just another decent program.

 

[reno tony]

With talk like that, I'm adding a results premium to your bill.

Are you mad at me because of my lawyer joke?

 

[rocky rococo]

It's all still a darned shame. Huskies-Lady Vols was the one time that wbb could move to the top of the stack without the "sports fans" feeling a need to protect their genitalia by denouncing the entire sport, all those who participate, and suggesting that those of us who love it simply don't exist. Even "sports fans" were capable of recognizing and respecting the genuine rivalry game, the contest of legendary programs, and in the absence of their hoots of derision, wbb was able to be judged on its own merits, and as such tended to be generally well-received by the wider public. There was nothing better for the sport, and thus a very very good thing for those of us who love it. It's terribly sad that the University of Tennessee feels the need to make the product of Pat's dementia a matter of university policy, to the general detriment of wbb. It does, after all, go directly against everything Pat in her healthy years strove to build.

 

[reno tony]

Well then you might be a little slow.

Ouch! Are you referring to my mental acuity or speed in the 100 meter butterfly? I've enjoyed your posts in the past and probably will in the future, but I thought you were above childish insults toward someone who doesn't share your opinion.

 

[phil sampieri]

It's all still a darned shame. Huskies-Lady Vols was the one time that wbb could move to the top of the stack without the "sports fans" feeling a need to protect their genitalia by denouncing the entire sport, all those who participate, and suggesting that those of us who love it simply don't exist. Even "sports fans" were capable of recognizing and respecting the genuine rivalry game, the contest of legendary programs, and in the absence of their hoots of derision, wbb was able to be judged on its own merits, and as such tended to be generally well-received by the wider public. There was nothing better for the sport, and thus a very very good thing for those of us who love it. It's terribly sad that the University of Tennessee feels the need to make the product of Pat's dementia a matter of university policy, to the general detriment of wbb. It does, after all, go directly against everything Pat in her healthy years strove to build.

I think most people, including me can forgive a person who makes staements made in the heat of the moment. Geno cetainly has made some dumb statements in jest that never were reaqlly understood.What Pat did folks was planned ,vindictive, calculated to destroy not just Geno but Uconn in general.She did this to, in her mind, tarnish our reputation and supposedly gain an advantage in recruiting.I for one do not forgive that.

 

[DobbsRover2]

Yea, actually, they are not even particularly found of us.

Well that's mainly because of all those weird pictures of the Huskies that Biff and others have posted. Maybe if we all just sneak up on Geno and muss his hair like Stewie does he'll start to like the BY a little.

 

[Icebear]

Are you mad at me because of my lawyer joke?

Better to make a lawyer joke than to be a lawyer joke.