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doggydaddy said:
Tony, they are not so bad. I mean, it's not like their beat writer and message board moderator called the FBI and asked them to investigate a UConn fan for linking a public press conference from a free and public source, right?
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ROFL!! I remember this!
 
Many here will remember that in the early days of this matchup, it brought out the best in WCBB, but also remember that in the later years it brought out the worst in WCBB. The anger, frustration, the mean spirited one-upmanship, the taunts, the accusations, the steady diet of character assassination of our coaches-players-fans, the contrived 'facts', the pervasive nastiness, and the constant ugliness all added up to a matchup that should have ended long before it did. The checkerboard became a vile pit of character assassination and the BY became unreadable at times. The game itself was lost in the chaos.

For me, renewing the matchup would be like a person reconnecting with an abusive spouse because the abuser sent flowers in a charming mason jar with a sweet note just before their court date. If we meet in the NCAA's, then so be it(I hope we don't)... but to engage in this ugliness intentionally is just asking to dredge up a second putrid helping of the nastiness of the past.

For all the good this game may bring to the WCBB, the cost may also be too high as it is highly likely that once again it would descend into the ugly train wreck of an identity of the game for far too many casual observers. People will watch, but just as they did before many will watch to see the crash for themselves. Let's hope for a better future for the game.

Obviously, I haven't forgotten all that has happened, but its also true that I have long since forgiven them for their nastiness. I do feel sorry for Pat and the Vols given all that has happened to them and while I currently hold no grudge, I'd prefer we look to less ugly rivalries for our amusement.


Your Ol' Pal Boo
 
The OP linked a piece of "revisionist history" composed by, of all people, Marie Cornelius, whose credentials as a journalist are suspect and whose record as a moderator of The Summitt may be characterized as indifferent, irresponsible and tolerant of hateful vitriol directed at Geno and UConn.

I am completely unaware of any effort by her to restrain posters who got/get their kicks from describing the University of Connecticut as UCant or UCheat and our players as the UConn Hussies. Totally false allegations (e.g., UConn paid for Maya's tour of ESPN, Geno bought Maya's mom a house) were freely published without correction or comment, let alone deletion. Geno has been variously referred to as an , dirtbag, cheat, or s***bag, or his name deliberately twisted into something like Aurienema. There is also the ridiculous reporting of DD to the FBI. And so on. NEVER any moderation by Marie the Moderator!

And now MC adopts the new official party line: "Pat Summitt ended the series. . . because she suspected recruiting violations at UConn. . . ." That is simply untrue. Pat had a 37-page complaint assembled (I wonder by whom) and foisted it on the NCAA through the SEC. That goes far beyond "suspected."

Now, having vented enough for today (perhaps too much for Nan et al), let me acknowledge that most LadyVols fans are surely good and decent folks; I know of no players who ever shared any of the mean-spirit published on The Summitt or elsewhere; I see no connection whatsoever between Holly (and her staff) with any of this garbage; and I believe that wcbb will benefit from a renewal of what was unquestionably the series that captured the attention of the general public like no other. So let's get it on.
 
Icebear said:
I disagree about Pat's involvement. I think Geno has moved noon concerning Pat the evidence being his support of Pat's Alzheimer's organization.
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I realize the guy has some serious talent but never in my wildest imagination did I think he could move noon. Anybody know when lunch is now?
 
On the one hand, being the subject of so many bitter attacks by UTenn and the Summitteers means that UConn has attained a level of envious and grudging respect that the Volites do not accord to the other teams that they have a losing record against, such as Appalachian St. (why do they always pull those upsets), Ball St., Belmont, Cincinnati, Duke, Edinboro (PA), Georgetown, Louisiana-Monroe, Maryville, Mercer, Montclair St., NC-Greensboro, Union (TN), Virginia St., Xavier, the Knoxville or Farragut high schools, or the Tennessee School for the Deaf that the Vols battled to a tie some years back. Of the long list of Vol-dominators, only Baylor has received anywhere near the abuse accorded the Huskies in recent years, but Griner's departure will dilute the bile a bit there even if Mulkey will still be used as a swizzle stick by the orangeers.

On the other hand, the obliviousness to facts and the cluelessness emanating from the bunker cult in Knoxville has long since gotten tired and tiresome. If the idea for a renewed series keeps coming with all of the defensive "we know something bad was going on but we just can't say what it is" crap ---- who needs it? The Vols should just get back to their roots and see if they can even up their record against Ball St. and Appalachian St., and maybe even give little Edinboro a shot at some charity-type contest. I mean, the return of Ball State versus Tenneessee? That would be a ratings bonanza in certain parts of the country that still remember the Massacre at Bowling Green of the reigning champs.
 
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RegisteredUconn said:
I realize the guy has some serious talent but never in my wildest imagination did I think he could move noon. Anybody know when lunch is now?
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I'm already digging into my bag of potato chips by 10:00, if that's any help.
 
Can't say I'd be happy about UCONN if I were a Vols fan since we beat them four times in the N.C. game. Kind of like N.D. has done with us the last few years. I thought it was a sin when the series was ended and I look forward to it starting again I just hope TENN can bring a great game to the court if it starts again. It would be great for WBB.

And to all the people crying about what their fans say about UCONN or Geno. Get over it. Geno is a big boy and can handle it and why should we care what some disgruntled Vol's fans think. Don't give them the courtesy of your response.
 
reno tony said:
And to all the people crying about what their fans say about UCONN or Geno. Get over it. Geno is a big boy and can handle it and why should we care what some disgruntled Vol's fans think. Don't give them the courtesy of your response.
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I don't think people are 'crying' about what the Vol fans have said... instead I believe that for many, remembering the ugliness it brings with it is a warning to pass on a repeat performance of the trouble the first go around gave us... think of it as a manifestation of a gut feeling to avoid repeating past experiences that were essentially unpleasant.

All many here are saying is that they lived through the descent into vulgarity and ugliness that eventually became the story instead of the game itself and would prefer to avoid those troubles.

I see little to be gained by UConn or the game as a whole by having the Huskies sign up for round two of this nonsense other than for ESPN to fatten its wallet... Personally, I find it hard to understand why some would like a repeat of that experience, especially in that this matchup is completely unnecessary given that there are far better rivalries to be had.

I don't doubt that this matchup will resume; I just hope for the sake of Husky nation and the game that it does not...

YOPB
 
As far as getting over it and moving on, it may be easy for Geno and Pat to kiss and make up (okay, really not that easy even with Pat's condition), but the issue is really that UTenn has these pooper scooper of charges and allegations hanging out there that except for the self-reported Maya secondary stopover in Bristol were dumped into the round receptacle by that ever dogged UConn defender, the NCAA oversight committee. Pat and UTenn have never backed down from telling their nebulous crime story, so tell me how do the teams just move on with neither budging, the unstoppable sewer flow of charges and the immovable wall of adamant denial of charges. Like, we're playing this game under protest for regular season meet-ups?

PHS was at a school that was stinking up the SEC joint (and that's saying a lot) between Kiffin and Pearl and maybe now Hermann with violations and with her usual fake-principled, two-faced hypocrisy she leveled her ammo-less guns against her tormentor up north instead of the associates who were raging and pillaging the Vol reputation right on her backside. That ended the chance for any future meaningful relationship right there, and UConn has moved on to better dance partners who don't whine about not being on an even ballroom floor, and smell better.
 
While I have as much disdain as any UConn fan for those TN fans who spread the nasty stories and lies in regard to Geno and UConn and despite my deep dislike to Pat S. for her attempt to destroy Geno and UConn,
IMO both teams and WBB need this serious to renew. UConn will be playing in a horrible conference and will need as many games against top 10 teams as possible (TN will be without a doubt a top 10 team for years to come). While in the Big East UConn could have some challenge through the years, from teams such as ND, RU, Louisville, Georgetown, DePaul, etc that will not be the case in the new conference (especially with Louisville and RU leaving after the coming season and 16-18 in conference games). In order for UConn to keep it's stature it needs those games. TN needs it for other reason, which is that if TN wants to return to the glory days of Pat and give credibility to Holly and the program it needs to be playing against the best and the best is UConn!
WBB needs this serious to renew as the interest in the game seems to be waning....there is less and less coverage of it and the fans who were the core fans of WBB seem to be getting older with not enough new fans coming in (see the attendance of UConn and other schools). This game will bring back interst to the game from the general public and that I believe is just as important as any of the reason above especially for some one like Geno who I think is truly troubled by the state of WBB and its future.
 
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dtbtbtb said:
While I have as much disdain as any UConn fan for those TN fans who spread the nasty stories and lies in regard to Geno and UConn and despite my deep dislike to Pat S. for her attempt to destroy Geno and UConn,
IMO both teams and WBB need this serious to renew. UConn will be playing in a horrible conference and will need as many games against top 10 teams as possible (TN will be without a doubt a top 10 team for years to come). While in the Big East UConn could have some challenge through the years, from teams such as ND, RU, Louisville, Georgetown, DePaul, etc that will not be the case in the new conference (especially with Louisville and RU leaving after the coming season and 16-18 in conference games). In order for UConn to keep it's stature it needs those games. TN needs it for other reason, which is that if TN wants to return to the glory days of Pat and give credibility to Holly and the program it needs to be playing against the best and the best is UConn!
WBB needs this serious to renew as the interest in the game seems to be waning....there is less and less coverage of it and the fans who were the core fans of WBB seem to be getting older with not enough new fans coming in (see the attendance of UConn and other schools). This game will bring back interst to the game from the general public and that I believe is just as important as any of the reason above especially for some one like Geno who I think is truly troubled by the state of WBB and its future.
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I mentioned that the any new series between UConn and Tenn will be less of a spectacle than games of yore (once we get through the hype and get to the actual game). One blowout, and the interest in this marquis match will wane significantly.
 
RegisteredUconn said:
I realize the guy has some serious talent but never in my wildest imagination did I think he could move noon.
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Pretty low to take advantage of typos.

Hey, didja catch Tony's little gem?

Tonyc said:
What a slap in the face when UConn wins their 9th NC passing out Pat and Tenn in Nashville.
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JS said:
Pretty low to take advantage of typos.

Hey, didja catch Tony's little gem?
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Oh, c'mon. The Vols will get passed out their own way with all of their NC and SOS trophies piled around them to make'em feel better about it all. Plus a lot of Miller Lites.

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Ever since Pat cancelled the series, I've thought a main reason for doing so was fear of losing to UConn. Pat knew they were going to be in trouble against UConn and cancelled the series to avoid being embarrassed. Now, with two top 10 recruits coming in, they see a glimmer of hope which has also buoyed their desire to play UConn. If Russell & company turn out not to be what they hope and expect, interest in playing UConn will wain until (if ever) their team has a good chance of beating UConn.

I believe this coming year will be a critical one for TN. For the past 5 years, they have had highly ranked players, yet accomplished relatively little with all that talent. For the coming season, they will again have a highly ranked crop of recruits. If they fail to deliver once again, their reputation as an elite program and their recruiting will take a hit from which recovery will be difficult. One can't survive on past glory forever.
 
stwainfan said:
I would like the series to start up again. It was a game I always looked forward to see.
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You should have mentioned this to Pat years ago, not here in 2013. Isn't it an NCAA violation to be asked for extra benefits from a recruits mother and not reporting it to the NCAA?
 
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Bestiarius said:
One can't survive on past glory forever.
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Past glory? There are folks down there who stretch their past glory back 150 years to guys volunteering for the Gray. I'm sure the Vols can keep on living in the 1900s for quite a while longer just like another orange team's football fans up at Cuse can wax prolific about the Jim Brown glory days.

What would really help was if there was a December classic of preseason top-10 type teams every year that pulled together some big-name teams to put WCBB in a bit of spotlight. Having UConn and UTenn be part of a gangbusters of four teams battling it out for tourney champ would take at least some of the pressure off both schools in a return to action while giving WCBB an annual publicity shot.
 
RegisteredUconn said:
I realize the guy has some serious talent but never in my wildest imagination did I think he could move noon. Anybody know when lunch is now?
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Oh yes, he does it twice a year, or didn't you know he invented daylight savings time through judicious adjusting of the clock to get another hour of practice in before lunch in the Fall, and for the team to skip lunch altogether in the Spring. :)
 
Ever since Pat's Alzheimer's became public I have felt differently about all the issues because it is very possible they were at least in part driven by the paranoia accompanying Alzheimer's in some folks. The involvement of the idiots at The Summitt is not the responsibility of the university anymore than UCONN is responsible for what goes on here.

I think the time has come to forgive and move on and I have no problem with the series returning at this point. It can be particularly helpful since we need high ranked OOC opponents right now.
 
For all the talk about Tennessee as a second-tier program, they are still the #5 program of the 2010s thus far and will continue to be as long as they rack up #1 and #2 seeds and make the Elite 8 or better, which they are certainly poised to do. That is a decided departure from being the #1 or #2 program, which they were in the 1980s (#2), 1990s (#1), and 2000s (#2), but it is not the same as a precipitous drop. They just signed the #1 player in the 2013 class, continue to bring in AA talent, continue to be televised nationally to a significant degree, and continue to have well-attended games.

UConn currently has existing series with Baylor, Stanford, and Duke, and a home-and-home with Maryland. The Notre Dame rivalry has been discontinued for the time being, as has Oklahoma (not much of a series in any event). UConn is also entering a profoundly mediocre conference which will soon be without Rutgers or Louisville.

Personally, I'd much rather UConn have more than three interesting regular season games a year. How interesting Tennessee is as an opponent can be debated, I suppose, but to pretend that it's not a markedly better game than, say, Oregon or College of Charleston, or even Ohio State or Florida State, would be downright silly. It's a good game, one involving the two programs with the largest fanbases and the most history, and it's worth restoring. It's good for both programs, and it's good for ESPN.

I don't really give a damn about Pat Summitt's accusations, as they did not stick, nor have they materially impacted UConn as a program or Geno's standing in his field. What matters is that the top 10 programs play one another, as those programs have the lion's share of the talent and quality coaching in the sport (save the odd exception like Brian Giorgis).

The series will return. The fanfare may not be what it was in 1995. Nutmeggers may not risk life and limb in the middle of a blizzard to pack the house like they did in 2003. But they game will be played, it will feature between 15 and 25 high school AAs, it will be a hot ticket, and, when played in Knoxville, it will be one of the more hostile environments UConn will play in (never a bad thing). Knightsbridge's question as to what the appeal is at this point certainly could elicit a range of responses, but the converse question, namely what is the downside, categorically elicits the response of "none" as far as I'm concerned. Dogmatic protestations to the contrary, I'll be delighted when the series renews. If you're not interested, perhaps you can get your fill of women's basketball teams from Tennessee by attending the Memphis game. One can only imagine that tickets will be readily available.
 
DobbsRover2 said:
Oh, c'mon. The Vols will get passed out their own way with all of their NC and SOS trophies piled around them

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That's just a small sample of their strongest-SOS trophies, which they awarded themselves monthly.

And nothing compared to their collection of trophies for the team which, as of the close of each month, had the coach with the most career victories.
 
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JS said:
That's just a small sample of their strongest-SOS trophies, which they awarded themselves monthly.

And nothing compared to their collection of trophies for the team which, as of the close of each month, had the coach with the most career victories.
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Don't forget the trophies for having the most NC's. they gave themselves one this year for tying for the most NC's.

Next they will give themselves trophies for having the most trophies.
 
BooRadley said:
I don't think people are 'crying' about what the Vol fans have said... instead I believe that for many, remembering the ugliness it brings with it is a warning to pass on a repeat performance of the trouble the first go around gave us... think of it as a manifestation of a gut feeling to avoid repeating past experiences that were essentially unpleasant.

All many here are saying is that they lived through the descent into vulgarity and ugliness that eventually became the story instead of the game itself and would prefer to avoid those troubles.

I see little to be gained by UConn or the game as a whole by having the Huskies sign up for round two of this nonsense other than for ESPN to fatten its wallet... Personally, I find it hard to understand why some would like a repeat of that experience, especially in that this matchup is completely unnecessary given that there are far better rivalries to be had.

I don't doubt that this matchup will resume; I just hope for the sake of Husky nation and the game that it does not...

YOPB
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I obviously feel differently. I choose not to let some who descend "into vulgarity and ugliness" dictate how I feel and prefer not to give them the satisfaction that they somehow have changed my life. I will always feel that ending that series was the most disrespectful thing that Pat and/or Geno did to WCBB. You can choose who you believe is to blame.

If some Vol fans whine, cry, curse and throw stones......that is their problem. If I waste my time complaining about it or let it affect my decisions about what I think is right or wrong with WCBB, then that is my problem. The series should begin again because I believe the UCONN team, fans and community are above these petty differences. And I believe there are tens of thousands from both sides of the aisle that feel the same way and deserve to see Blue and Orange play. And I believe that WCBB deserves to see the series renewed. I can't think of any word other than disgusting when I know that two teams that have 16 National Titles between them and can't play because one or two people have some wild hair. That is a disgrace.

There is an old joke that goes" Ninety five percent of the lawyers make the other five percent look bad." Well, maybe we just heard the small percentage of Vol fans and the rest are as sensible as all the Boneyard posters.
 
I think this "possibly" renewed rivalry will be great for WCBB; however personally I could care less if they start up again. UCONN has done alright without playing Tennessee
 
John A reached out to Holly earlier in the week to talk to her about the possibility of renewing the series:

Earlier this week I called Tennessee after seeing a picture of Geno and Holly Warlick in the Knoxville News taken on Women’s Hall of Fame induction night last Saturday.

They were smiling. Broadly. I grew hopeful. Peace at last.

So I called Tennessee on Monday and asked if I could speak to Warlick to ask her if this picture meant good things for the renewal of the series that ended in 2007.

Tennessee would not even put her on the phone.

I was told the program had made a statement in May saying the series would not be renewed and they were sticking to their story.

So take that for what its worth. I have been told by a few people that ride the fence in this rivalry, meaning they don’t take partisan sides, that Warlick will not reschedule UConn out of respect to Coach Summitt’s wishes.

http://courantblogs.com/uconn-women/

This is beyond tedious.
 
UConnCat said:
John A reached out to Holly earlier in the week to talk to her about the possibility of renewing the series:

Earlier this week I called Tennessee after seeing a picture of Geno and Holly Warlick in the Knoxville News taken on Women’s Hall of Fame induction night last Saturday.

They were smiling. Broadly. I grew hopeful. Peace at last.

So I called Tennessee on Monday and asked if I could speak to Warlick to ask her if this picture meant good things for the renewal of the series that ended in 2007.

Tennessee would not even put her on the phone.

I was told the program had made a statement in May saying the series would not be renewed and they were sticking to their story.

So take that for what its worth. I have been told by a few people that ride the fence in this rivalry, meaning they don’t take partisan sides, that Warlick will not reschedule UConn out of respect to Coach Summitt’s wishes.

http://courantblogs.com/uconn-women/

This beyond tedious.
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What a hoot. We certainly have been beating a dead horse. Oh well, a good if academic summer exercise. Tenn is still the Evil Empire ... just a smaller, less significant one.
 
reno tony said:
I obviously feel differently. I choose not to let some who descend "into vulgarity and ugliness" dictate how I feel and prefer not to give them the satisfaction that they somehow have changed my life. I will always feel that ending that series was the most disrespectful thing that Pat and/or Geno did to WCBB. You can choose who you believe is to blame.

If some Vol fans whine, cry, curse and throw stones......that is their problem. If I waste my time complaining about it or let it affect my decisions about what I think is right or wrong with WCBB, then that is my problem. The series should begin again because I believe the UCONN team, fans and community are above these petty differences. And I believe there are tens of thousands from both sides of the aisle that feel the same way and deserve to see Blue and Orange play. And I believe that WCBB deserves to see the series renewed. I can't think of any word other than disgusting when I know that two teams that have 16 National Titles between them and can't play because one or two people have some wild hair. That is a disgrace.

There is an old joke that goes" Ninety five percent of the lawyers make the other five percent look bad." Well, maybe we just heard the small percentage of Vol fans and the rest are as sensible as all the Boneyard posters.
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Its obvious to me that I must have been unclear...

My argument has nothing to do with giving or denying satisfaction to anyone. When I spoke of vulgarity and ugliness, I was not exclusively posting about Vol fans or their board... I am more concerned with the effect that conflict had upon us. Many here on the BY found themselves dragged down into the muck by the human instinct to fight back... As I said before, the BY became unreadable at times... the mods wore out their delete buttons and a general snarkiness would all too often become the tone of the day.

Otherwise level headed Boneyarders fell prey to this ugliness... People that thought that they never would, did. There is no one more mature, reasonable and classy Boneyarder than our own Kib. But eventually even Kib jumped into the fight... If Kib wasn't immune to the tussle, then nobody is... The game was lost in the chaos... it devolved to a point where the chaos became nearly as important as the game itself... this is the essence of my argument. It began with fun and fanfare, but ended with vulgarity and ugliness. I'd be curious to hear why you think that it would be different this time around.

As far as I can detect, nothing has changed that would suggest that a better outcome would unfold for us this time around. No rational explanations or apologies have signaled a change of heart... Maria's article would suggest that nothing has changed. So, to my mind, we have no reasonable expectation that this will end any better than the last time... So, my question is:: what is so compelling about walking the same ugly path again and why do you believe that we here on the BY would be immune to the instinct to fight back against perceived attacks this time?

As I posted, although the checkerboard was absolutely vile, our own board was also unreadable at times... Like some of my Vol friends might suggest, wrestling with a pig just gets you muddy and the pig enjoys the tussle.

Boo
 
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