Vandy 93 TN 79

[tennfanatic00]

i am a TN fan so snap out of it! LOL future is bright !!! we have the number one class on the floor this year and stella recruits next year. we will figure the coaching thing out in the summer and move on. regardless of when pat left, we were always going to take a small slide. support the team and who cares if people talk smack. it's a messageboard

Love your optimism, but the future is most def not bright right now. It's very bleak. At best, it's unknown how the program will handle all of this. There are very large question marks and I just hope they find answers very soon so we don't miss out on a tremendous opportunity to land much needed talent in the 2013 recruiting class.

 

[BigO]

Everything at Tennessee needs to be rebuilt from the ground up.

The coaching situation has to get straightened out. No interim direction is going to work.

Get in a new coach, get her/his recruits into the program. Get the best S&C coach money can buy. Too many LVs three and four years in the program look out of shape. Someone like Glory who has a naturally athletic build looks terrific, but there are some others who I won't call out who lack tone and seem to get tired.

Tennessee has the fanbase, the TV exposure, and the resources. Just needs someone who can run the program, manage the details, hold everyone accountable, and get everyone to work like they never have before. This isn't something that can be cobbled together with whatever Pat can give and some assistants filling in. This team needs a strong leader of young women like Pat has been for so long. And they need to get tougher physically.

To any of the LV fans posting or reading this, things will get better in Knoxville. But in order for that to happen, people have to acknowledge the core problems rather than lashing out on the senior class or ESPN or any other target. It's possible to be kind but still critical. You can still support and love the program with your eyes open. Keep cheering your team, stay proud of your program's contributions to the sport's history, and keep going to the games. But it's OK to say things aren't right when it's coming from a position of love and pride.

i totally agree that big changes need to be made and things will work out in knoxville. we have the money and drive...it will be fine. the reality is that a legend is sick. her family and friends are trying to piece together a season and it's not working. she is very brave to carry on this year. i feel for them as humans. pat's program will survive.

 

[BigO]

Love your optimism, but the future is most def not bright right now. It's very bleak. At best, it's unknown how the program will handle all of this. There are very large question marks and I just hope they find answers very soon so we don't miss out on a tremendous opportunity to land much needed talent in the 2013 recruiting class.

ok i am done. feel free to cry your eyes out. lol

 

[msf22b]

What I find so demoralizing from the Tennessee perspective is the quite clear sensation that the team has quit. Glory said to her teammates the other day; climb on my back (or some similar encouragement).
Two things are implied: that she is giving her all, as was apparent tonight (Even the announcers remarked that without her points and effort, Vandy might have been much further ahead in the first half) and that she knows that her teammates are dogging it.

 

[BigO]

What I find so demoralizing from the Tennessee perspective is the quite clear sensation that the team has quit. Glory said to her teammates the other day; climb on my back (or some similar encouragement).
Two things are implied: that she is giving her all, as was apparent tonight (Even the announcers remarked that without her points and effort, Vandy might have been much further ahead in the first half) and that she knows that her teammates are dogging it.

well i think there are certain players who just don't have the normal TN genetic make up. that has been a problem for quite some time. the young players actually seem to be different than that though. but just remember, these are 18yo-22 year old young ladies. they are dealing with a horrendous reality right now. media is all over it and they probably just want to play ball and have fun. not sure how much fun it is to know your coach is ill.

 

[Zorro]

Not to be agitatin', but they gonna need a mighty big bus over yonder if everyone is gonna fit under it.

 

[Bestiarius]

How many AA players are on this TN team?

McDonalds AA ??

AARP?

 

[Kibitzer]

well i think there are certain players who just don't have the normal TN genetic make up. that has been a problem for quite some time. the young players actually seem to be different than that though. but just remember, these are 18yo-22 year old young ladies. they are dealing with a horrendous reality right now. media is all over it and they probably just want to play ball and have fun. not sure how much fun it is to know your coach is ill.

We went through a lot of angst when Diana left. Geno said, "I knew when Diana left the party was over. What I didn't know was that in addition to the party ending, the lights went off when the electricity was cut off, the door got padlocked, and the building was condemned.'

On a serious note the harsh reality is that Pat isn't going to coach for three years and it's a damned shame. Somehow the administration has to delicately retrieve the car keys. I have thought that her son Tyler maybe helpful as a liaison; surely he can see her gradual disengagement and would not want to see her go through another season like this (and likely worse).

Whether the administration hires a man or woman, a member of the LVol family or an outsider, they must act decisively and quickly in order to renew recruiting of talent. The current situation is not working on the court or in the recruiting competition, and the ticking sound is akin to a time bomb about to explode.

We all wish Pat well, don't question that. And just as it takes two to tango, it takes two competitive teams to constitute a rivalry. Good luck, everywhere but Storrs, Connecticut.

 

[bellairehusky]

Maybe it is just me trying to make a connection to PHS' health when there may not be one, but did anyone catch the quote from PHS that the AP put in the game recap?

PHS said, “I just didn’t think we brought the energy early on, and we didn’t sustain our runs. We didn’t have a whole lot of runs to sustain. We brought the energy early on and we didn’t sustain our runs. We didn’t have a whole lot of runs to sustain …,”

My first reaction was "did she just repeat herself FOUR times?" and then my thoughts turned to her health. Again, maybe I am making too much of it.

And for the record, if this were the pre-diagnosis PHS, I would have yucked it up, but knowing what we know, it makes me a little...bad/sad.

 

[Ctpaul0825]

Maybe it is just me trying to make a connection to PHS' health when there may not be one, but did anyone catch the quote from PHS that the AP put in the game recap?

PHS said, “I just didn’t think we brought the energy early on, and we didn’t sustain our runs. We didn’t have a whole lot of runs to sustain. We brought the energy early on and we didn’t sustain our runs. We didn’t have a whole lot of runs to sustain …,”

I had the same reaction, this was obviously a stressful game, stress is a big problem when suffering from this disease. You want to support whatever decision Pat makes regarding her coaching career, I'm starting to wonder if her stubborn side is why she has not publiclly announced she will step down which definitely is affecting the progression of the disease and her overall health.

My first reaction was "did she just repeat herself FOUR times?" and then my thoughts turned to her health. Again, maybe I am making too much of it.

And for the record, if this were the pre-diagnosis PHS, I would have yucked it up, but knowing what we know, it makes me a little...bad/sad.

 

[msf22b]

I thought it must be an AP typo. If that is the actual transcript its remarkably telling.

 

[TDiNozzo]

I now see why some TN fans chose to come here..... a whole 19 page game thread was deemed inappropriate on another board...Axed...

 

[doggydaddy]

I now see why some TN fans chose to come here..... a whole 19 page game thread was deemed inappropriate on another board...Axed...

I believe it had grown to 26 pages and had a ton of player, coaches and anything else orange bashing.

 

[TDiNozzo]

I went to bed at 12:30 and it was at 19, and at about 7AM it was gone...What more could have been said???? wow

 

[msf22b]

Maria admitted she tried to edit it, gave up and removed it.

 

[msf22b]

One as of yet undiscussed aspect of the continued fallout of the once dominating program is the current shape of key players.
Like the situ that unfolded in Boston after that catastrophe, several of the key players seem puffy and much slowed.
In the case of Vickie, one can have a measure of sympathy as her knees are obviously bothering her (but could it be that if she was fitter, her knees would be less painful?)
But for some of the others, weight gain is apparent and reaction time is way down. At some point there will be an expose as in Beantown.
Again, as in Boston, it all comes down to the coaches losing control of the program, which is apparent to anyone with a pair of eyes (mine were surgically repaired and are better than new).

 

[Kevin G]

I am shocked by how terrible our team is right now. They cannot play cohesive team offense (no surprise there really) and cannot play disciplined defense ( huge surprise there).

If shots don't fall, they all hang their heads and sulk. Their d and board play suffers, and we get blown out. This season is really really sad. I think our board is at a complete loss. I've been a fan of the lady vols for 20 years now, and I've never seen a team as bad as we are right now. It's horribly depressing. Maybe you guys can lay off us? I know...not likely.

WHAT???!!!! Have you ever been to the Summitt? Fans there make ever possible attempt to bash Geno and our team. I think the best thing to do is not read our posts like most of us here ignore the Summitt.

 

[Wonkster]

Ah, the gall and the wormwood.

I'll be a while getting over this disappointment.

It was just a matter of when the worm wood turn.
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[UcMiami]

To the TN fans posting here - I am really glad you come and share your perspective, and I hope you recognize that almost all the posters on this board take no joy in the situation with Pat. We may gloat a little about what is happening on your board, or the team's losses, but we certainly are not happy with what has happened to a great WCBB coach. We are obviously more dispassionate bout the situation than you can be and perhaps more realistic.
Anyway, thanks for visiting, and here is hoping that TN resolves their situation at the end of the season and can begin rebuilding. A strong TN is good for the game.

 

[Phil]

I thought it must be an AP typo. If that is the actual transcript its remarkably telling.

That was my thought, someone garbled the transcription.

 

[speedoo]

Maria admitted she tried to edit it, gave up and removed it.

Not a fan of hers at all, but I have to say I can't blame her for the deletion. I scanned 3 or 4 of the post game pages and the bashing was pretty bad. So bad in fact that I actually felt a bit of pity for a few of those folks, something I never thought would happen.

 

[Kibitzer]

I am shocked by how terrible our team is right now. They cannot play cohesive team offense (no surprise there really) and cannot play disciplined defense ( huge surprise there).

If shots don't fall, they all hang their heads and sulk. Their d and board play suffers, and we get blown out. This season is really really sad. I think our board is at a complete loss. I've been a fan of the lady vols for 20 years now, and I've never seen a team as bad as we are right now. It's horribly depressing. Maybe you guys can lay off us? I know...not likely.

I am pleased and proud, and not the least bit surprised that the posts on this board pertaining to Pat's situation have been consistently civil, thoughtful and sympathetic. Sharp contrast to the usual tone of your board. It's ironic that dozens of your colleagues showered Geno with vituperative posts because he committed the grievous sin of including the name of Jeff Walz and "Tennessee" in the same sentence. One day later, many of the same mean-spirited posters went much further in discussing the coaching situation with the LVols.

You might consider asking them to lay off. I trust my fellow Boneyarders to sustain a civil discourse.

 

[BigO]

We went through a lot of angst when Diana left. Geno said, "I knew when Diana left the party was over. What I didn't know was that in addition to the party ending, the lights went off when the electricity was cut off, the door got padlocked, and the building was condemned.'

On a serious note the harsh reality is that Pat isn't going to coach for three years and it's a damned shame. Somehow the administration has to delicately retrieve the car keys. I have thought that her son Tyler maybe helpful as a liaison; surely he can see her gradual disengagement and would not want to see her go through another season like this (and likely worse).

Whether the administration hires a man or woman, a member of the LVol family or an outsider, they must act decisively and quickly in order to renew recruiting of talent. The current situation is not working on the court or in the recruiting competition, and the ticking sound is akin to a time bomb about to explode.

We all wish Pat well, don't question that. And just as it takes two to tango, it takes two competitive teams to constitute a rivalry. Good luck, everywhere but Storrs, Connecticut.

i have a feeling we will have a new coach by the next season. pat loves TN more than herself. if she feels it is hurting the program, she will make the decision to retire. i have no doubt in that. unless the season totally changes in the tourney, my gut says she will graciously step aside and remain a big part of the program in some significant way.

and thanks to you and some of your fellow UCONN fans for the nice words about Pat and TN

 

[trb123]

I believe it had grown to 26 pages and had a ton of player, coaches and anything else orange bashing.

I strongly suspect that it was sold at 50%-70% off at McMillins.

 

[EricSD]

I am pleased and proud, and not the least bit surprised that the posts on this board pertaining to Pat's situation have been consistently civil, thoughtful and sympathetic. Sharp contrast to the usual tone of your board. It's ironic that dozens of your colleagues showered Geno with vituperative posts because he committed the grievous sin of including the name of Jeff Walz and "Tennessee" in the same sentence. One day later, many of the same mean-spirited posters went much further in discussing the coaching situation with the LVols.

You might consider asking them to lay off. I trust my fellow Boneyarders to sustain a civil discourse.

i agree with this 100%. i totally admit i enjoy reading the Summitt after a loss or after they lose a recruit. i think that's part of the nature of fans' general dislike in heated rivalries. and yet, as you said, there is a very lengthy post that was finally locked where one poster after another completely went off on Geno for his comments.

2 things struck me. first, i understand wanting to vent after yet another mystifying loss and going at a favorite target like Geno and UCONN is like mother's milk to many there. One classless personal attack after another. Second, ANYONE who ever again says that there is little difference between the boards needs to be promptly admitted to a psych ward. the continued viciousness spewed by some/many over there, every chance they get, has not only been allowed, but encouraged.

i don't disagree that there is an occasional post on here that most of us would probably rather not have on the board, but generally those shots have been taken at posters on our board, almost never have i seen them leveled at Pat. unless you go back to all the shenanigans she pulled in the 34 page complaint to the NCAA's and the mess she made when she canceled the series...

 

[HuskyNan]

Not directed at Eric, just to the board in general - time to close the thread.